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No, there is no such page, at least not on GR.You are correct that board books are the toddler books where each page is cardboard and very thick.
Here's a good discussion of mass market paperbacks and how they differ from regular (trade) paperbacks:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
This thread talks about turtlebacks - which are one type of library binding:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Basically a library binding is something that has been reinforced with cardboard - it may have originally been a paperback or a hardcover, or it may have been manufactured with a thick shiny cover (turtleback).
Thanks for the MMP link, it looks as if I'm not the only one who has difficulties with that :-).And I'll continue correcting all the "board books" into "hardcovers" as I go along reading the comics.
But most of those French comics are printed on paperboard, which isn't paper like used in most american comics, but a cartonboard. some are as thick as milk carton or cereal box.It is diffucult to choose between binding styles, because definitions differ between european and american styles.
Arto wrote: "But most of those French comics are printed on paperboard, which isn't paper like used in most american comics, but a cartonboard. some are as thick as milk carton or cereal box."I've read hundreds of these French comics, and all of them are printed on normal paper, though quality paper most of the time, which is thicker than the telephone book paper some comic producers use - but it's definitely not "paperboard".
That might be case in Germany. Here in Finland those are definitely printed on paperboard. Of course what you define paper and what paperboard might differ what are their meaning in industry. All Asterix, Lucky Luke, Iznougod, Milo Manara, Hugo Pratt for example here in Finland are printed on paperboard. And all foreign editions I have seen (Swedish, Danish, French, Italian, British) are printed on paperboard. As I said you might think that it is just thicker paper, but it isn't. I just looked again several of those paperbacks, and there seems to be no common nominator on quality on those MMP, paperback, trade paperback. One textbook is marked as a trade paperback and it is larger than hardcover, paper quality is more like toiletpaper. Then another might be regarded as a MMP, but paper is acid free with filler and it's quality is better than hardcover.
Some also say that most before 1990's paperbacks are MMP's, but how can you label books as a MMP based on paper yellowing. Basically paper is same now, but paper production has changed from acidic manufacturing to neutral. So normal person rarely can see difference between chemical pulp made in acidic process versus mechanical pulp. Also here in Finland(probably somewhere else too) paperbacks might have printed using reel endings and what ever happens to be available, so in same printing session paper quality might be different.
It would better to just keep main styles, hardcover and paperback, then add additional info if book is MMP trade or leatherbound, if that style is used in that area.
Same goes to audiobooks and ebooks. Less main gategories, more subgategories. I can't remember which edition my ebook or audiobook was earlier, because I convert all audiobooks to mp3 and also have m4a and other versions. Same goes to ebooks, I convert all epub, because PRC and LIT are not supported anymore.
Arto wrote: "That might be case in Germany."I'm talking of French editors, like Dargaud, Hachette, Dupuis or Delcourt, which I regularly buy in France. Of course, the definition of "paperboard" may vary - but for me, the paper of Astérix le Gaulois is not paperboard, especially not if you think of paperboard as similar to "milk cartons" or "cereal boxes". As I said, it's heavy quality paper of, I guess, around 100 or 120 g/m².
Also, French media think of the materials of a bande dessinée as "paper" (even the French wikipedia entry on "Paper" has this line: "le papier type Bande-dessinée est très bouffant").
Anyway - I think the main point is that "board books" are still a different thing, whatever the definition of "paperboard" and "paper" may be. "Board book" implies, as Lobstergirl mentioned, a very thick, multi-layered carton, several times thicker than milk cartons. And the French comic books I'm referring to are definitely not in that category.
Helmut wrote: "Arto wrote: "That might be case in Germany."I'm talking of French editors, like Dargaud, Hachette, Dupuis or Delcourt, which I regularly buy in France. Of course, the definition of "paperboard" m..."
As you can see in this discussion, there is no clear definition. I tke my definitions from manufacturing industry, Where I have manufactured cartonboard and it is sold as that to printing industry. Usually the difference between milk cartonboard etc, is that plastic, thickness might be same without it.
Anyway if you really know that those marked as boardbooks are hardcover, then it is ok to change them to hardcover. I define hardcover as a book that doesn't bend without great force and when it bends, it is usually broken. Paperbacks are easy to bend and doesn't suffer much when doing so. Boardbooks (albums here) bend quite easily, but usually clear markings are seen after bending.
as it can be seen that people have different opinions what is paperback, mass market paperback, board book. It is good that they removed trade paperback.
"Boardbooks (albums here) bend quite easily"I really think we're on different paths now. When I talk about "paper", I meant the interior paper, not the cover.
"Board books" are things like that:
http://wildinkpress.com/blog/wp-conte...
I see now the confusion. Some people think of "board books" as books that have soft cardboard as cover material.
yes I know. But most I've seen are same carboard as a cover and a page material. There is no necessarily difference between cover or interior. http://www.amazon.com/La-M%C3%A9tamor...
This is another example, even amazon sees this as a board book, not paperback.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n... all these are boarbooks, but not definitely that style as toddler books.
yet these are printed mostly on same material are paperbacks
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_nos...
No wonder there is confusion between users, if Amazon can't decide type. Of course publishers might promote some books as board books, to upgrade their value.
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I didn't say that Amazon determines format. Main point was that you just can't change board books to harcover or paperback. Board book isn't just strictly defined as a toddler style book, and those French(other european) books can be defined boardbooks, because publisher has done so. And now you say that publisher determines format, but that didn't apply for audiobooks, even though publisher has defined that it is audiobook, even though it is bunch of CD's. If publisher data isn't available, then possible sellers and libraries definition should be better option than personal opinions.
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For listings on Amazon. Not for book records on Goodreads.
Arto wrote: "But most I've seen are same carboard as a cover and a page material. There is no necessarily difference between cover or interior. "That's interesting - after handling literally hundreds of French and German comics, and spent hundreds of hours browsing in French and German comics shops, I've never encountered anything like that.
It looks as we have very different views on what is cardboard, or maybe I've really overlooked those specimens where a material that can be described as cardboard is used for both cover and interior pages.
Anyway, of course I only change the format of books I have had in my own hand or know for sure what they look like. The only difference between these French bédés I'm talking about and a hardcover book is content (pictures vs flowing text).
Arto wrote: "because publisher has done so"Amazon does not make a distinction based on interior material, only on binding and cover material. Indeed, both bédés and children's books are covered by Amazon term "Cartonné" (http://www.amazon.fr/gp/help/customer...).
If I look at the publisher's website on your first example, there's nothing said about it being anything markedly different from a standard bédé publication, which would be marked there, as almost all bédés follow the same publishing format. Additionally, looking at http://www.buchfreund.de/covers/10726..., it looks so much like a standard bédé, I would really really be surprised to see cardboard pages within.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album_de...states (my bolding):
"La plupart des albums publiés en France et en Belgique depuis les années 1980 par les plus grands éditeurs sont cartonnés (hardcover en anglais) et contiennent entre 44 et 46 pages (trois cahiers de seize pages) pour les albums jeunesse, parfois une soixantaine pour les albums adultes. Il existe aussi des albums brochés (softcover), majoritaires dans l'édition alternative et la bande dessinée d'auteur, pour des raisons de coûts comme de standing, qui sont généralement moins formatés."
Finally, look at this video, which shows the two types of books I'm talking about.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUt_8j...
Would you define the interior pages in this video as cardboard?
I'm currently changing a lot of French comics which are published as hardcover - often, these have been described as "board books". I think board books are books where all pages are made from cardboard (mainly children's books), but it looks as not everybody knows the difference between "board book" and "hardcover".
Additionally: What distinguishes a "Paperback" from a "Mass Market Paperback"? What's a "library binding"?