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How do you predict this series will end? (Do not enter unless you're willing to read spoilers up to and including Moby)
Brizo wrote: "Mrsbooks wrote: "Jamie would loose so much of his commanding presence in the future. I would hate to see him become weak. But he would. He wouldn't know how to do anything, he would constantly be r..."I, totally, agree!! Jamie's character is intelligent, insightful, brave, undaunted, and would totally rock in the future.
RsvpShindig wrote: "I am on book 2. I am just in an ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay. Get it now. But, I am sure by book 4 I'll be confused more so!!!!"Yes, it's a very good adventure Claire and Jamie take so just keep reading it gets better and better..
Actually I been thinking about this and I think she should leave the ending open. Who know when she may want to revisit it.. Just don't kill him off without killing Claire at the same time. If anything they should die together if she's going to kill him. I don't think either of them could live long without the other.
Brizo wrote: "Mrsbooks wrote: "Jamie would loose so much of his commanding presence in the future. I would hate to see him become weak. But he would. He wouldn't know how to do anything, he would constantly be r..."It's already the late 70's (or early 80's?) in Claire, Bree and Roger's future. So if Jamie were to come to the future that's the timeline they would be in. He is already... what... 60? I can't remember his age exactly. Realstically it would take quite a while (possibly a few years) for him to learn how to adapt to technology let alone learn how to function in an entirely different society. I'm not up to date with the army but I don't think they enlist men of his age?
Jobs were easier to find in the 70's. You didn't need a high school education just to clean a toilet like you do nowadays so he could eventually find work. But as a leader of men? I don't see it. Jamie would loose that commanding presence because our society just does not allow for it in the first place. He could never be a leader of men in the 70's/80's without an education for one thing, moving in political circles, working up a ladder some how, etc. All that takes a person years to accomplish. I think he'd be stuck on a farm somewhere living a relatively boring life lol.
I'm not sure where DG said it. It might be on her blog.
Brizo wrote: "Kyra wrote: I wondered when I read this if he didn't cheat on her during their separation during the war. To me, it seems like he had. Also, how long were they married before the war? I couldn't re..."I don't remember that. Do you happen to know where she said that?
Brizo wrote: "RsvpShindig wrote: "That was just too significant. And that speech Frank gives about how he would understand if she had strayed. I am only thru the first book. I actually finished it last night ..."3rd book lol.
Also I don't think for a second that BJR..............I think we see him sooner than later. So to speak. I am trying not to spoil here!!!!
RsvpShindig wrote: "Also I don't think for a second that BJR..............I think we see him sooner than later. So to speak. I am trying not to spoil here!!!!"
Spoilers are allowed here, right up to and including Moby. :)
I have a question about Claire. I don't remember reading where she gets her ability to travel through the stones. It has to be familial right? Does anyone know from whom her powers came?
No, other than her probably being a descendant of Master Raymond (which was in The Space Between) no mention of where the "travel gene" comes from.
Interesting question
Zoey wrote: "No, other than her probably being a descendant of Master Raymond (which was in The Space Between) no mention of where the "travel gene" comes from."Oh I haven't read that book. I will have to read it.
gertt wrote: "RsvpShindig wrote: "I'm also wondering if in the end if Frank will end up being someone nobody really liked after all. He has evil in his blood lines and he he also was so adamant about not adoptin..." I do agree, we all have the ability to have good and evil and each have a choice not matter what.
As for the original question, I think that she will write about their deaths and since all her writing is so wonderful, we will love how she ends it whatever!
It would be somewhat ironic if they died together for real in a fire but I really really hope they don't die. I can't even speculate what I want or think will happen. I feel like Diana has an extraordinary knack for telling this story - I can't predict it.
Shaye wrote: "I don't think Claire will ever go back through the stones. I believe if they die in the end, they will die together. Like the couple they found in that cave in France."I hope so.
I think they will find a way to allow Jamie to travel through the stones but they go through a different stone circle and are transported to the past. They arrive in France and Jamie becomes injured somehow -- maybe the toll of travelling when he is not an auld one causes him injury. They try to make it to Paris for medical care but they only make it as far as the cave they visited in Dragonfly in Amber. Jamie dies and claire takes poison, dying with their arms wrapped around each other. They become the couple whose bones they saw in the cave in Dragonfly in Amber.
Lisa, That would make a perfect ending but I hope it doesn't end with either one of them dying. I hope it ends like a fairy tale with everybody together on the mountain, happily everafter.
That is interesting Lisa. But, I would think the couple in the cave were seeking shelter from some type of natural disaster (violent weather, fire, a meteor), and they died wrapped together, sheltering each other from the elements. It has been clear from the beginning...Jamie can't travel...so I'm more inclined to think that if anyone from Jamie's time and family can travel, it would be young Ian, who has always been a little different...so therefore...I would be more inclined to think it's Ian's bones in the cave.
Fairy tale endings are nice, but truly good books, esp. those involving fantasy, often end leaving the reader contemplating if the end was truly final.
I don't think tying everything up in a neat little package is Ms Gabaldon's style... and, after all we've been through, I hope that isn't what she does.
I would really love Jamie to travel forwards in time, but I have to agree with Mrsbooks in that he would be so much a fish out of water it would destroy him. Having said that he is the most resourceful of men, overcoming some situations where the odds were very much stacked against him.It seems I am a little on the fence!!!
Part of what appeals so much to me about Jamie, is actually only partly Jamie and much to do with his culture. For instance in Moby, when Claire sees the man that raped her and Jamie finds out... he goes "hunting" for him. "A Hieland man canna live wi' a man who's raped his wife nearby, nor should he"That could never happen these days.
That's just one of many examples for me, as to why I wouldn't want to see Jamie go to the future. I love the idea of him getting to finally see everything he's heard about and experience it but yet so much of what I love about him just wouldn't be appropriate in our time. Jamie couldn't be Jamie anymore.
....although... if he's old enough it wouldn't be a problem anyway.
I think it would be easier to travel to the past then to the future because we have knowledge of the past but know nothing of the future. Even though Claire has told Jamie a few things about her time, I can't imagine him living there. He would not blend in easily and most likely appear to be ignorant. Young people today often consider their elders of being out of touch and living in the past, imagine how someone like Jamie would appear to them.
Jamie always adapts so well to any situation that I'm sure he will find a way to fit in in the future. If he were to go, I'm pretty sure they would live in the country, maybe Lallybroch since Bree now owns it. Maybe when Claire comes into her "full power" when her hair turns white, she will contrive a way.
I just want a happily ever after
Actually, Jamie and Claire are living their 'happily everafter'...isn't that what spending your life with the person you love is.
Lisa wrote: "They become the couple whose bones they saw in the cave in Dragonfly in Amber. "That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that part, that somehow, that couple is Claire and Jamie. Somehow. I'd really like it to be them too.
I forgot about those bones. Thank you for reminding me.
You know, I wouldn't have a problem if the series ended with MOBY, even though the thought of no more Outlander saga novels to look forward to gives me a reader's twinge. The book ended at what I deem an excellent point to walk away and leave the characters set in time in that particular moment.
Jamie will not travel to the past. I read something and it may have been on Diana Gabaldon's FB page and she said Jamie does not time travel.
Phyllis wrote: "Jamie will not travel to the past. I read something and it may have been on Diana Gabaldon's FB page and she said Jamie does not time travel."You're right Phyllis, Jamie can not travel...both Ms Gabaldon and the series has made that very clear.
And, personally, I'm glad he can't travel because I like him right were he is, a gentleman and a warrior living in his own time period.
Tracytastic wrote: "Not sure this is how it will end but...I predict in book 9 that Ian Og will have a baby with Rachel, then get killed. I can't imagine that all of Jamie's adult children will survive him and much as the others are wonderful there is something special about Ian. ..."Ian is not Jamie's son. Ian is Jamie's nephew. Jamie has 2 children, Briana and William.
Hi All! New here! :)Does anyone else have a fear that Jamie actually died at Culloden and that the final 8 books are his purgatory? I remember reading somewhere that the ghost of Jamie was about 25…
I really hope we readers don't get blindsided with something like that!
Nicole wrote: "Does anyone else have a fear that Jamie actually died at Culloden and that the final 8 books are his purgatory? I remember reading somewhere that the ghost of Jamie was about ..."I never thought about that, but one never knows with fantasy.
I prefer to think that Jamie's ghost was young because Claire was young when Frank saw him. That his ghost was watching and waiting for Claire to come to him. Something drew Claire back to the stones alone that day. Jamie may not be able to travel, but he has a connection with the future and he has a memory/dream of seeing Claire through a window.
The good thing is, Ms Gabaldon has promised to tell us the meaning.
I can't imagine how the series will end, but I would really like Jamie to come to Claire's time somehow! I don't know if that would be possible, but it would open up a whole lot of new possibilities for the series!
I would like to think it will end with Jamie and Claire returning to the ridge and growing old together. And should Bree and Roger decide to return to their own time, Ian would be there to look after them.
Have not heard this posited: the ghost is Jamie, able to materialize on those few days/year when the veil between the living and dead is thin: bit of the pagan beliefs proven out.
Mrsbooks wrote: "For some reason I can't see the series end without them dying. How do you think it will end or how do you hope it will end?"Having read the books and thoroughly enjoyed them I already know how it ends and hope they do not change it when the time comes on the series.
Shaye wrote: "Oh so many possibilities. I think Jaime is an auld one and he doesn't die. I conclude this from reading The Scottish Prisoner. Also, he can see into the future which they haven't realized yet. I do..."This made me laugh. They aren't OLD :)...Jamie is late 30s and Claire is early 40s. I am 61 and I am not old ;)
Donna wrote: "Shaye wrote: "Oh so many possibilities. I think Jaime is an auld one and he doesn't die. I conclude this from reading The Scottish Prisoner. Also, he can see into the future which they haven't real..."I can't remember their exact age but they're in their 60's.
Donna wrote: "Mrsbooks wrote: "For some reason I can't see the series end without them dying. How do you think it will end or how do you hope it will end?"Having read the books and thoroughly enjoyed them I al..."
I'm confused... how do you know how the series ends? It hasn't been written yet. Unless Diana has issued some spoilers or something in an interview and said how she was going to end it?
Well my bad. I honestly thought she was finished after book 8. I am excited beyond belief that there will be more. This just made my week.
Donna wrote: "Well my bad. I honestly thought she was finished after book 8. I am excited beyond belief that there will be more. This just made my week. "Lol - Something to look forward to!
I would hate it if it ended with Claire waking up in the 40's to do it all over again! I think it would be best if in the end Claire and Jamie have either died together, or they have finally found some peace to live out the rest of their lives together. I think it would be a really messed up ending if one of them dies and the other is left to live on alone. Although I think Jamie would kill himself (or get himself killed) if Claire went before him.
Hopefully when the end does come, it won't be too horrible. I would love a cliche happy ending because I think they deserve it after all of the difficulties that they have faced.
Donna wrote: "Well my bad. I honestly thought she was finished after book 8. I am excited beyond belief that there will be more. This just made my week. "How could you have thought the series ended at the end of book 8, there are soooo many loose ends to tie up with them all, I can't honestly see Diana Gabaldon just ending it with all that ambiguity there, especially as she has gone into so much detail throughout the books. I would be so disappointed with her if it did!
Penny wrote: "Donna wrote: "Well my bad. I honestly thought she was finished after book 8. I am excited beyond belief that there will be more. This just made my week. "How could you have thought the series end..."
I was so happy that the core family got to live out their lives together that i was akright with that. Yes i wondered about things like Jamie's son but there has cave been many books i have read over the years that left things unsolved that i just wrote the endings in my own mind.
I always thought that Jamie's and Claire's love is eternal, as in the couple dies, but their love is renewed when 1945 rolls around again and Claire falls through the stones again, to begin their adventure again. I also pictured Jamie or Claire, or both, planting the forget-me-nots by the stones, so Claire is sure to be intrigued and forget-Jamie-not, at least subconsciously. Jamie's ghost is anxious to renew their relationship again, so he's drawn to Inverness on a day when "ghosts are freeed to roam free and do as they wish" to spy on Claire as she brushes her recalcitrant hair that symbolizes her untamed spirit, which he so loves. Their love is beyond time and earthly constraints. Just my two cents.
Dot wrote: "I always thought that Jamie's and Claire's love is eternal, as in the couple dies, but their love is renewed when 1945 rolls around again and Claire falls through the stones again, to begin their a..."I think that is a good theory as to how the plants get to stones. Plus, Jamie's ghost comes the day before she falls through the stones. Maybe they "plan" these events to happen so Claire would be sure to go back to 1743.
I am not fully certain that was Jamie watching Clair. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in future books.
Donna wrote: "I am not fully certain that was Jamie watching Clair. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in future books."If I'm not mistaken, I thought Diana already said that was Jamie.
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I don't know about that, the future might need warriors and Jamie is smart he could learn new tools and technologies. He's a natural leader and in all the books he proves that. (view spoiler)[ Laird of Lollybroch, Captain of the Scottish Regiment, leader in the prison after Culloden, Sea Captain of the pirate ship, General in the US Army.. (hide spoiler)] what has he done in any of the books where he hasn't adapted and been a leader. I think Jamie would adapt to the future just fine.
When and where did Diana say she would never take Jamie into the future?
As for how he might be able to do that I'm sure she has enough of an imagination to make that happen if she wanted to. If they got to star wars times, they could use the medical repair thingy to un-age him, or maybe he could just exist on the Holideck. LOL!