Fathers and Sons
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As they go to the farm they talk about Quit Renthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quit-...
The peasant haven't paid any...?
Then the commune is called "Bachelor's Farm."
The U.S. could be called this as young people can't afford to form families.
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Major characters Edit
Yevgeny Vasil'evich Bazarov – A nihilist and medical student. As a nihilist he is a mentor to Arkady, and a challenger to the liberal ideas of the Kirsanov brothers and the traditional Russian Orthodox feelings of his own parents.
Arkady Nikolaevich Kirsanov – A recent graduate of St. Petersburg University and friend of Bazarov. He is also a nihilist, although his nihilism has a lot to do with Bazarov's influence.
Nikolai Petrovich Kirsanov – A landlord, a liberal democrat, Arkady’s father.
Pavel Petrovich Kirsanov – Nikolai’s brother and a bourgeois with aristocratic pretensions, who prides himself on his refinement but, like his brother, is reform-minded. Although he is reluctantly tolerant of the nihilism, he cannot help hating Bazarov.
Vasily Ivanovich Bazarov – Bazarov’s father, a retired army surgeon, and a small countryside land/serf holder. Educated and enlightened, he nonetheless feels, like many of the characters, that rural isolation has left him out of touch with modern ideas. He thus retains a loyalty to traditionalist ways, manifested particularly in devotion to God and to his son Yevgeny.
Arina Vlas'evna Bazarova – Bazarov’s mother. A very traditional woman of the 15th-century Moscovy style aristocracy: a pious follower of Orthodox Christianity, woven with folk tales and falsehoods. She loves her son deeply, but is also terrified of him and his rejection of all beliefs.
Anna Sergeevna Odintsova – A wealthy widow who entertains the nihilist friends at her estate.
Katerina (Katya) Sergeevna Lokteva – The younger sister of Anna. She lives comfortably with her sister but lacks confidence, finding it hard to escape Anna Sergeevna's shadow. This shyness makes her and Arkady’s love slow to realize itself.
Feodosya (Fenichka) Nikolayevna – The daughter of Nikolai’s housekeeper, with whom he has fallen in love and fathered a child out of wedlock. The implied obstacles to their marriage are difference in class, and perhaps Nikolai's previous marriage – the burden of 'traditionalist' values.
Viktor Sitnikov – A pompous and foolhardy friend of Bazarov who joins populist ideals and groups. Like Arkady, he is heavily influenced by Bazarov in his ideals.
Avdotya (Evdoksia) Nikitishna Kukshina – An emancipated woman who lives in the town of X. Kukshina is independent but rather eccentric and incapable as a proto-feminist, despite her potential.
Pavel Petrovich Kirsanov is in love with princess R.I think this stands for the old order love for Russia.
Princess R dies 1848
In 1848 Wolf devised the "Zürich sunspot number" to gauge the number of sunspots (giving extra weight to groupings), which is still used (in the figure below as well).
Some, led by Rudolf Wolf, examined old records to reconstruct earlier sunspot cycles, while Edward Sabine in England in 1852 found a similar periodicity in magnetic storms. Some more speculative minds also claimed (and still do) an 11-year period in weather patterns, or even in the outbreaks of wars and epidemics.
http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Educati...
Russia is suffering a drought, fire.
https://www.ohio.edu/chastain/rz/russ...
Pavel gave princess R a ring with a sphinx.
In Greek tradition, it has the head of a human, the haunches of a lion, and sometimes the wings of a bird. It is mythicised as treacherous and merciless. Those who cannot answer its riddle suffer a fate typical in such mythological stories, as they are killed and eaten by this ravenous monster.[1] This deadly version of a sphinx appears in the myth and drama of Oedipus.[2] The Greek sphinx which was a woman,
She sends him back the ring with a cross on it.
I have been reading Don Quixoteand I believe cross stands for war. The cross roads; a sacrifice; in dueling the swords create a cross; to "cross someones path"; to look mad, to be cross;
Yevgeny Vasil'evich Bazarov – A nihilist and medical student. As a nihilist he is a mentor to Arkady, and a challenger to the liberal ideas of the Kirsanov brothers and the traditional Russian Orthodox feelings of his own parents. He considered himself a physicist.
According to Force and Matter; or, Principles of the Natural Order of the Universe. With a System of Morality Based Thereon. the definition of physics is:
The science of the change and convertibility of forces is called Physics.
What does this have to do with frogs?
What does this have to do with nihilism?
This is the history of solar cycles.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whL9...
Some people think that the events of history such as the events in 1848 had something in common with the solar cycle.
I find this fascinating.
chapter 10: "cholera was one of the epidemic of 1848"In Kraft Und Stoff he uses cholera as an example. He says that superstition is for natives and not for civilized people. He states that too many believe in miracles. But rather than saying "Pray that God will deliver us from this plague, they should have talked about sanitation.
"The noble Lord replied that the propagation of the cholera rested on natural conditions partly known, but that its pro gress was more likely to be arrested by sanitary measures than by prayers. This reply was con sidered to smack of atheism ; and the clergy de clared it to be a mortal sin not to believe that Providence might, from personal considerations, at any time transgress the laws of nature."
Another reference from Kraft Und Stoff
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Quotes fromKraft Und Stoff:
Where one law prevails, there prevail all the rest; their connection being so intimate as to be inse parable. Every exception, every deviation would immediately result in an irreparable confusion ; for the equilibrium of forces is the fundamental condition of all existence. The world surround ing us is an infinite whole, composed of the same materials, and moved by the same forces.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaphaelCondillac
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mastic
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to make doll head so they won't break ..she is a feminist
'Are there any pretty women here?' inquired Bazarov, as he drank off a third glass. 'Yes, there are,' answered Evdoksya; 'but they're all such empty-headed creatures. Mon amie, Odintsova, for instance, is nice-looking. It's a pity her reputation's rather doubtful.... That wouldn't matter, though, but she's no independence in her views, no width, nothing ... of all that. The wholesystem of education wants changing. I've thought a great deal about it, our women are very badly educated.' 'There's no doing anything with them,' put in Sitnikov; 'one ought to despise them, and I do despise them fully and completely!' (The possibility of feeling and expressing contempt was the most agreeable sensation to Sitnikov; he used to attack women in especial, never suspecting that it was to be his fate a few months later to be cringing before his wife merely because she had been born a princess Durdoleosov.) 'Not a single one of them would be capable of understanding our conversation; not a single one deserves to be spoken of by serious men like us!' 'But there's not the least need for them to understand our conversation,' observed Bazarov."
Liebig
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George Sand
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Compared to Ralph Waldo Emerson
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James Fenimore Cooper
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Robert Bunsen
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"'I can never listen calmly when women are attacked,' pursued Evdoksya. 'It's awful, awful. Instead of attacking them, you'd better read Michelet's book, De l'amour. That's exquisite! Gentlemen, let us talk of love,' added Evdoksya, letting her arm fall languidly on the rumpled sofa cushion."
Jules Michelet
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"These books do not display the apocalyptic style which, partly borrowed from Lamennais, characterizes Michelet's later works, but they contain in miniature almost the whole of his curious ethicopolitico-theological creed—a mixture of sentimentalism, communism, and anti-sacerdotalism, supported by the most eccentric arguments, but urged with a great deal of eloquence.
"The principles of the outbreak of 1848 were in the air, and Michelet was one of many who condensed and propagated them: his original lectures were of so incendiary a kind that the course had to be interdicted. However, when the revolution broke out, Michelet, unlike many other men of letters, did not attempt to enter active political life, and merely devoted himself more strenuously to his literary work. Besides continuing the great history, he undertook and carried out, during the years between the downfall of Louis Philippe and the final establishment of Napoleon III, an enthusiastic Histoire de la Révolution française."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikha...All people are like one another, in soul as in body; each of us has brain, spleen, heart, and lungs made alike; and the so-called moral qualities are the same in all; the slight variations are of no importance. A single human specimen is sufficient to judge of all by. People are like trees in a forest; no botanist would think of studying each individual birch-tree.'
'The trees in a forest,' she repeated. 'Then according to you there is no difference between the stupid and the clever person, between the good-natured and ill-natured?' 'No, there is a difference, just as between the sick and the healthy. The lungs of a consumptive patient are not in the same condition as yours and mine, though they are made on the same plan. We know approximately what physical diseases come from; moral diseases come from bad education, from all the nonsense people's heads are stuffed with from childhood up, from the defective state of society; in short, reform society, and there will be no diseases.'
'And you conclude,' observed Anna Sergyevna, 'that when society is reformed, there will be no stupid nor wicked people?' 'At any rate, in a proper organisation of society, it will be absolutely the same whether a man is stupid or clever, wicked or good.' 'Yes, I understand; they will all have the same spleen.'
mozart fantasy in d minorhttp://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=m...
mozart
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The FamilyFrom chapter 10:
'The family, then, the family as it exists among our peasants!' cried Pavel Petrovitch.
'And that subject, too, I imagine, it will be better for yourselves not to go into in detail. Don't you realise all the advantages of the head of the family choosing his daughters-in-law? Take my advice, Pavel Petrovitch, allow yourself two days to think about it; you're not likely to find anything on the spot. Go through all our classes, and think well over each, while I and Arkady will ...' 'Will go on turning everything into ridicule,' broke in Pavel Petrovitch.
The commune is called Bachelor Farms. The women have to marry for money if they want any financial security.
Today our youth cannot get married for the sheer weight of college debt. Even the ones that do get good jobs it is only a month to month existence. Very hard to get ahead.
Feminism
Bazarov says that he doesn't find that woman attractive.
He talks about women as sex objects, which offends Arkady
senses.
CondillacThis is the man that started the belief that a child was an empty vessel to be filled.
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"By far the most important of his works is the Traité des sensations, in which Condillac treats psychology in his own characteristic way. He questioned Locke's doctrine that the senses give us intuitive knowledge of objects, that the eye, for example, naturally judges shapes, sizes, positions, and distances. He believed it was necessary to study the senses separately, to distinguish precisely what ideas are owed to each sense, to observe how the senses are trained, and how one sense aids another. He believed that the conclusion has to be that all human faculty and knowledge are transformed sensation only, to the exclusion of any other principle, such as reflection.
"The author imagines a statue organized inwardly like a man, animated by a soul which has never received an idea, into which no sense-impression has ever penetrated. He unlocks its senses one by one, beginning with smell, as the sense that contributes least to human knowledge. At its first experience of smell, the consciousness of the statue is entirely occupied by it; and this occupancy of consciousness is attention. The statue's smell-experience will produce pleasure or pain; and pleasure and pain will thenceforward be the master-principle which, determining all the operations of its mind, will raise it by degrees to all the knowledge of which it is capable. The next stage is memory, which is the lingering impression of the smell experience upon the attention: "memory is nothing more than a mode of feeling." From memory springs comparison: the statue experiences the smell, say, of a rose, while remembering that of a carnation; and "comparison is nothing more than giving one's attention to two things simultaneously." And "as soon as the statue has comparison it has judgment." Comparisons and judgments become habitual, are stored in the mind and formed into series, and thus arises the powerful principle of the association of ideas. From comparison of past and present experiences in respect of their pleasure-giving quality arises desire; it is desire that determines the operation of our faculties, stimulates the memory and imagination, and gives rise to the passions. The passions, also, are nothing but sensation transformed."
CondillacThis is the man that started the belief that a child was an empty vessel to be filled.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8...
"By far the most important of his works is the Traité des sensations, in which Condillac treats psychology in his own characteristic way. He questioned Locke's doctrine that the senses give us intuitive knowledge of objects, that the eye, for example, naturally judges shapes, sizes, positions, and distances. He believed it was necessary to study the senses separately, to distinguish precisely what ideas are owed to each sense, to observe how the senses are trained, and how one sense aids another. He believed that the conclusion has to be that all human faculty and knowledge are transformed sensation only, to the exclusion of any other principle, such as reflection.
"The author imagines a statue organized inwardly like a man, animated by a soul which has never received an idea, into which no sense-impression has ever penetrated. He unlocks its senses one by one, beginning with smell, as the sense that contributes least to human knowledge. At its first experience of smell, the consciousness of the statue is entirely occupied by it; and this occupancy of consciousness is attention. The statue's smell-experience will produce pleasure or pain; and pleasure and pain will thenceforward be the master-principle which, determining all the operations of its mind, will raise it by degrees to all the knowledge of which it is capable. The next stage is memory, which is the lingering impression of the smell experience upon the attention: "memory is nothing more than a mode of feeling." From memory springs comparison: the statue experiences the smell, say, of a rose, while remembering that of a carnation; and "comparison is nothing more than giving one's attention to two things simultaneously." And "as soon as the statue has comparison it has judgment." Comparisons and judgments become habitual, are stored in the mind and formed into series, and thus arises the powerful principle of the association of ideas. From comparison of past and present experiences in respect of their pleasure-giving quality arises desire; it is desire that determines the operation of our faculties, stimulates the memory and imagination, and gives rise to the passions. The passions, also, are nothing but sensation transformed."
http://mashable.com/2015/08/29/evolut...Kinda an interesting side note to historical events in the 1800's
In 1818, Baron Karl von Drais of Baden, Germany patented the design for a two-wheeled Laufmaschine, or “running machine.” It consisted of two in-line wheels beneath a seat and handlebars, and was propelled by the rider pushing off the ground with his feet.
Also called the “Draisine,” the device was created not out of fancy but necessity — Drais was looking for a substitute for the horses that had starved to death in the recent volcanic winter, caused by the eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815.
The Friend of Health for 1855,'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sut...
'And you must see what a little garden I've got now! I planted every tree myself. I've fruit, and raspberries, and all kinds of medicinal herbs. However clever you young gentlemen may be, old Paracelsus spoke the holy truth: in herbis verbis et lapidibus.... I've
Paracelsus
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The Children of the New Forest
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Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
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acacias
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Centaury
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St John's-wort
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Robert le diable
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'The rule, the rule we set ourselves, To live, to live for pleasure!'
Aspen
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Castor and Pollux
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Te Deum
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plague in Bessarabia
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between 1814 and 1940. Between 1814 and 1842, 9,000 of them immigrated from the German areas Baden, Württemberg, Bavaria, some Prussian areas of modern-day Poland and Alsace, France, to the Russian government of Bessarabia at the Black Sea. The area, bordering on the Black Sea, was part of the Russian Empire, in the form of Novorossiya; it later became the Bessarabia Governorate.
Turbot
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Saint Helena
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JackdawsThe word Jack means small and daw is the native English for bird.
Bazarov refers to Arkady as a small bird
"Nikolai Petrovitch has been made one of the mediators appointed to carry out the emancipation reforms, and works with all his energies; he is for ever driving about over his district; delivers long speeches (he maintains the opinion that the peasants ought to be 'brought to comprehend things,' that is to say, they ought to be reduced to a state of quiescence by the constant repetition of the same words); and yet, to tell the truth, he does not give complete satisfaction either to the refined gentry, who talk with chic, or depression of the emancipation (pronouncing it as though it were French), nor of the uncultivated gentry, who unceremoniously curse 'the damned 'mancipation.' He is too soft-hearted for both sets."We might call that propaganda. So shouldn't we call tv and music propaganda machines. Nikolai would have been able to save his breath and not worn out the horses if he could have had our technology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaskalahNicholas I appointed Dr. Max Lilienthal to educate the Jews, with the opening of hundreds of schools to help eradicate their fanaticism and superstitions. Their leaders opposed it, because it would diminish the Talmud’s authority and correct morals, and the rabbis would lose their control. The Jews, who viewed Lilienthal as a “traitor and informer,” opposed the gov..
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