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Pigletto wrote: "I think being able to swap around books in salvo pairings or using these books separately to make new pairings with books read that week makes things needlessly complicated. I took it from everything that had been said so far that the 2 books were a pair and needed to be used as a pair as per my example above. Now you're saying that the books can be separated to help make up new pairs?"I think you are right, things are getting too complicated. We will reevaluate. It might be best to make the SALVO pair stay together – FOREVER, although the genre may be changed if BOTH books have been ‘tagged’ with the changed-to genre.
Pigletto wrote: "If so I have further questions. Do both new pairings have to be read in the same week? Or could you (using your example) read the 2 Steve Jobs books 1 week and the Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption & Twelve Years a Slave pairing another week? ?"
I wouldn’t think both new pairing have to be read in the same week. Yes to your second sentence – this is what I meant.
Say, you don't read both pairings in the same week but you report the new pairing you did read at the end of the week (i.e. Team A reports that 2 members read Steve Jobs to defend non-fiction). Would that be an acceptable defence? Would the other book remain in the bank to be paired up later? Or would the team lose that book "
Yes, to be paired up later. You would NOT lose the book, as long as you paired it up later.
Pigletto wrote: "If it's not an acceptable defence what would happen other than the team having to take a hit? Would the salvo pairing (that the team tried to use) still remain in the bank for future use or would the team have lost the right to use this salvo? "
It would remain in the bank for future use.
Sarah wrote: "Yeah I am still waiting for clarification. I don't think people should be able to take their two books from one salvo and later separate them to each pair up with another book to make two salvos. I was under the impression that a banked salvo could be used deflect only one hit. Then another sloop could be made with the hit genre that was deflected. "YES> We are going to re-evaluate. Please don't expect a decision today.
Question for you: By this, do you mean the original pair stays together no matter what? But one book's genre may count, even if the other doesn't qualify? I don't know - I didn't understand at first - I thought two books were needed to get a Salvo but only one book counted. Now I see both books are in the bank as one booked salvo so only their overlapping genres count for future genre change?
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Make sense?
NBRC Book Ninja wrote: "Pigletto wrote: "I think being able to swap around books in salvo pairings or using these books separately to make new pairings with books read that week makes things needlessly complicated. I took..."
Thanks for the answers. Hope you feel better soon.
Thanks for the answers. Hope you feel better soon.
I agree that keeping the salvo pair together forever is best but allowing them to be switched to another MUTUAL genre to cash them in would be preferable.
Moderators of Nothing but Reading Challenges (All the Mods) wrote: "The way we are leaning is to rule that for a SALVO two books must stay TOGETHER FOREVER; however, if they BOTH have another genre (other than the one they went into the bank with), it may be change..."I am also a fan of this.
Vicky wrote: "I agree that keeping the salvo pair together forever is best but allowing them to be switched to another MUTUAL genre to cash them in would be preferable."I agree too. Would this also be how it works for a sloop? Banked books of both types (salvo or sloop) work as a pair to defend a hit against a mutual genre. If another book is read to make a sloop with the defending pair, would they then be banked as a triple, to be used as a defending triple in the next round? Then set of 3 with mutual genre to defend in week 3 plus one to make new sloop = set of 4 banked books to defend mutual genre week 4? Salvos would only ever be stes of 2 though.
As I understand it a sloop is one book - a book defends a hit then another member reads a book of the same genre for a sloop.
Sarah wrote: "As I understand it a sloop is one book - a book defends a hit then another member reads a book of the same genre for a sloop."This would be easier. The defending book is used up and the supporting book is banked, so if you used a salvo pair to defend against a hit, they would get used up and only the supporting book read to make a sloop would be banked this round.
Moderators of Nothing but Reading Challenges (All the Mods) wrote: "The way we are leaning is to rule that for a SALVO two books must stay TOGETHER FOREVER; however, if they BOTH have another genre (other than the one they went into the bank with), it may be change..."This is what I originally assumed, but then got confused in all the other posts. This works for me.
What do you need posted on finished books?
Turtlecollector wrote: "What do you need posted on finished books?"Thanks for your eMail, T. Let me think on this, so as you all don't give away strategy.
I had the same question as Turtlecollector. I'm ready to post our defense of genre/hit but don't know what to put in that thread.
Logan wrote: "I had the same question as Turtlecollector. I'm ready to post our defense of genre/hit but don't know what to put in that thread."Logan, why do you eMail it to NBRC Ninja and I'll review it. That way you don't give anything away. I'm still thinking about what should/can/may be posted.
Do we get a point for dodging a hit if we use a banked book to dodge? Or do we only get the point if we read the appropriate genre that week?
Vicky wrote: "Do we get a point for dodging a hit if we use a banked book to dodge? Or do we only get the point if we read the appropriate genre that week?"Vicky, just to be clear, some people (myself included ) have been using "missed hit" and "dodging a hit" interchangeably; in addition, some people have been using "defending a hit" and "dodging a hit" interchangeably.
I'm assuming you mean "defending a hit" here, correct?
If you use a SLOOP or SALVO pair to "defend a hit," it will move out of your team's bank column and into the official point column.
WHEN YOU ARE READY TO POST:Please provide a link to your team's Secret Group where I may review your defending genres, SLOOPs, SALVOs, etc. For example:
Team A - {Link goes to Team's Secret Group, so won't work for everyone.}★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆
Defending hits on H5 and E2.
Once in your Secret Group, I need to see something like the following. Links to a member's bookshelf would be greatly appreciated.
SPACES HIT:
H5 - Contemporary
Mod Account - CO(H): Love Water Memory, by Jennie Shortridge, read 3/10/14
NBRC Ninja - Sloop(CO): The Fault in Our Stars, by John Green, read 3/9/14
E2 - Historical Fiction
Emily - HF(E2): The Round House, by Louise Erdrich,
ADDITIONAL BOOKS READ:
Linda - Salvo RC(Vivian): Once in a Lifetime by Jill Shalvis, read 3/7/14
Vivian - Salvo RC(Linda): It Had to Be You, by Susan Elizabeth Phillips, read 3/8/14
Henrietta - Salvo CL(Tally): The Rosie Project, by Graeme Simsion,
Tally- Salvo CL(Henrietta): Tangled, by Emma Chase
Do we need to review books for this? Or is just marking them read enough?
Mary: Harry Dresden's Love Slave wrote: "Do we need to review books for this? Or is just marking them read enough?"No reviews necessary, Mary: HD♥S. Although, I do read them - and enjoy doing so. ☺
How do we provide you with the secret group link without it not being a secret anymore?
The link will only work for members of the group. If someone else tries, they get the group search page saying that the group is secret. Book Ninja should be able to use it since he should be part of every group.
We were planning on SLOOPs - in contrast to SALVOs - being able to be changed to any genre that works for them, if a team needs to pull them out of the bank. ...Unless people find this too confusing.
Let me know.
NBRC Book Ninja wrote: "We were planning on SLOOPs - in contrast to SALVOs - being able to be changed to any genre that works for them, if a team needs to pull them out of the bank."That was my impression of the rule from the start.
Vicky wrote: "That was my impression of the rule from the start."Ditto.
NBRC Book Ninja wrote: "We were planning on SLOOPs - in contrast to SALVOs - being able to be changed to any genre that works for them, if a team needs to pull them out of the bank.
...Unless people find this too confus..."
It doesn't seem confusing to me. I like the flexibility it gives.
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That is what I thought anyway, because a salvo is only one banked book, where a salvo is a pair of banked books?
GTK, Sarah. I just thought I'd check with everyone, to make sure we were all on the same page.
Sarah wrote: "That is what I thought anyway, because a salvo is only one banked book, where a salvo is a pair of banked books?"This didn't make since to me Sarah. A Salvo can't be both can it?
I just feel really bad because the mods worked so hard on this challenge and it seems to have gotten off to a rocky start. I'm thinking this Friday will be a lot better for all.
I believe Sarah meant to say SLOOP here:Sarah wrote: "That is what I thought anyway, because aI glanced over it when I read her comment. Sorry.salvoSLOOP is only one banked book, where a salvo is a pair of banked books?"
I should have named SLOOP and SALVO something completely different from one another, or at least not both starting with "S."
LK, me and Eni are arguing about posting days, because I'm saying deadline is Thursday midnight and she's saying Friday midnight. Which one is it? In 10 hours or 34?
Sonia wrote: "LK, me and Eni are arguing about posting days, because I'm saying deadline is Thursday midnight and she's saying Friday midnight. Which one is it? In 10 hours or 34?"Week #1 "Read By" Date - an international clock.
Please read & post by March 14th, NOON.
Oh no...that means that I have to hear my sister saying that she was right... That is a price too high to pay for more reading time....
Eni wrote: "HA HA! I can sleep! =D hurray! rofl =p"MWAHAHAHAHAHA Success for Team Eni.
(MWUH to Sonia too but Eni lets me eat popcorn)
Lisa Kay wrote: "I believe Sarah meant to say SLOOP here:Sarah wrote: "That is what I thought anyway, because a salvo SLOOP is only one banked book, where a salvo is a pair of banked books?"
I glanced over it wh..."
Yes thank you.
It had some kinks to work out, but I think it is a really fun idea and love this game.
We will allow one book from Week 1 - and one book only, to be finished sometime after NOON tomorrow (March 14th, PST), if it is part of a ½-paired-SALVO. In other words, into the next week's reading time. If you have a member who hasn't 'tagged' their book as read by then, or they are reading a "chunkster" they are not yet finished with, you might want to do some shuffling around of your team's books.
This DOES NOT apply to 'defending a genre' or SLOOPs.
Just a reminder: For a SLOOP, a book can go into the 'bank' with one genre and be changed to another, if needed to defend a genre. It is a SALVO that has to still with it partner FOREVER, and can only be changed to genres that work for both books.
Does the sloop have to be changed to a genre that people have shelved it as, or is it more of a general point that can be changed to any genre?Sorry, all the back and forth a few days ago got me confused on that point.
Amanda wrote: "Does the sloop have to be changed to a genre that people have shelved it as, or is it more of a general point that can be changed to any genre?"Not a problem, Amanda. Completely understandably.
When taking a SLOOP out of your "bank" to be used to defend a genre, it may only be changed to a genre for which it has been 'tagged' (AKA 'shelved').
Another reminder: You may only earn up to three SLOOPs this week. (Correlates to the number of "firing ons."
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Sarah wrote: "Now you are saying both books used to make a salvo can now later be used to make two salvos later?"
What we meant, Sarah, is this: We're saying if a Person A reads Unbroken, and Person B reads Steve Jobs and it counts as a BA-SALVO, that later a third person can split them up and join with ONE of them to be a new SALVO, like a CBS-SALVO, leaving one of the original SALVO books to be paired with another book for a different SALVO.
This all started getting complicated when we allowed the edit mentioned in Post #111.
HOWEVER, since this is getting confusing for several people, we are going to reevaluate.
Sarah wrote: "But only one of the books could be chosen, based on the rules, not both, which to me is contradicting what Ninja just said?"
Question for you: By this, do you mean the original pair stays together no matter what? But one book's genre may count, even if the other doesn't qualify?