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message 101: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Spoiler for end of Part VI.

Are you talking about the firing squad? I was under the impression that it was one of Orfeo's interventions. He did it as a favor to Lucinda, and maybe, out of a sense of loyalty to the family.


message 102: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Yes, that is what I was talking about. I am assuming that but I am wondering if there will be more on this. I kept reading that part saying to myself, well they couldn't have killed him because we meet him as an old man!


message 103: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments That thought will come back, Meg. He does appear indistructable.


message 104: by Sheila , Supporting Chick (new)

Sheila  | 3485 comments Mod
He does seem like a cat with 9 lives! Nothing kills the man!


message 105: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lmmmml) | 82 comments I found it interesting when he met the Milanese soldier and the conversation they had about how they have survived so far in the war.


message 106: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Finished Part VIII and the book is getting a bit ludicrous. Don't get me wrong, the writing is still lovely. But, there are some strange sceens and situations. Frankly, it is dragging for me. There are wonderfully insightful moments that make me want to think, but they are not enough to sustain the narrative. It is as if the words are too many, too heavy for this slow moving plot and incrimental character development.


message 107: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Do you think it is a bit draggy because there is a lot of description, especially about the war?

Also, I am still not understanding why Italy got into WWI, there doesn't seem to be any presentation about the views of Italy and how they dragged them into this war (other than not liking Germans and Austrians)


message 108: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Yes, I think that the lavish descriptions about the mountains, about mountain climbing, about clothes and sceenary, etc does make it drag. There is little that happens relative to the amount of description. Also, there does not seem to be much in the way of character development. Allessandro was amazingly wise and insightful from the start of this remembered period. He does seem to become a bit more cynical, but we do not have any dramatic shift.

As for Italy in the war, I am trying to recall my high school history. But, to the best of my recollection, most every country got dragged into that war because of treaties of mutual support prior to the war. As soon as our archduke was assassinated and war was declared, the dominos began to fall. Treaties pulled one country after the next into a war they had no desire to fight and nothing to gain from.


message 109: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lmmmml) | 82 comments I found this link to some history and it seems that actually Italy should have joined Austria and Germany since they all had a treaty since 1885, but Italy wanted some land from Austria, so they signed another treaty with England and Russia in 1915. Just crazy!

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/...


message 110: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Thank you Lisa. No wonder I am confused!


message 111: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Well, I ended up just reading through to the end. I am not very good with keeping my interest going over the long haul.


message 112: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments ok we will keep plugging and catch up!


message 113: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments This book reminds me of a modern Iliad/Odyssey.


message 114: by Sheila , Supporting Chick (new)

Sheila  | 3485 comments Mod
I agree, Meg. His young life certainly is an epic adventure!


message 115: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments I thought we were going to find out what those flowers were that were gathered by the soldiers early on. Also, I'm not sure the point of Nicolo. He is so nieve, so unformed, disproportionate to his age.


message 116: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I am wondering if he is the son of one of the soldier's who died.


message 117: by Sheila , Supporting Chick (new)

Sheila  | 3485 comments Mod
Oh, that would be interesting Meg. Guess we will find out in the next week or so. :-)


message 118: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Can't be the son of one of Alessandro's comrads because he is too young. He would have to be the grand son or even great grandson, depending on age of father when born.


message 119: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lmmmml) | 82 comments Irene wrote: "I thought we were going to find out what those flowers were that were gathered by the soldiers early on. Also, I'm not sure the point of Nicolo. He is so nieve, so unformed, disproportionate to h..."

The flowers were later discussed when Alessandro's father was in the hospital. The DR. in charge was explaining that there was a medicine available, but the army confiscates the entire supply and doesn't allow civilians access. Then Orfeo "requisitions" some for Alessandro's father.


message 120: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Irene wrote: "Can't be the son of one of Alessandro's comrads because he is too young. He would have to be the grand son or even great grandson, depending on age of father when born."

well actually, grandson, thanks Irene


message 121: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Lisa, I never connected those flowers with the medicine in the hospital.


message 122: by Sheila , Supporting Chick (new)

Sheila  | 3485 comments Mod
Did anyone ever figure out what the flowers really were though? Did they tell us a name of the flowers or medicine? Was it something real, or something fictional for the story? I do remember now in the hospital scene the doctor talking about picking the flowers, but what were they??


message 123: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lmmmml) | 82 comments I'm not sure that it gave a name for the flowers,except that they were blue. My mind always pictures digitalis because they are pretty and help with the heart.


message 124: by Sheila , Supporting Chick (new)

Sheila  | 3485 comments Mod
Since this painting keeps getting mentioned, I had to look it up.

La Tempeste: In Mark Helprin's 1991 novel A Soldier of the Great War the protagonist claims the painting as his favorite and it plays a central role in the plot.


The Tempest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Temp...


message 125: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Thank you!


message 126: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (lmmmml) | 82 comments Yes, thank you so much!


message 127: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I was really happy to have the picture while I read the end of the book. It tied it all together.

I felt that Nic's role in the book ended up like he was almost Alessandro's priest.

I liked the book and the writing style/vocabulary but at times it was almost too much details and I lost a bit of interest.


message 128: by Sheila , Supporting Chick (new)

Sheila  | 3485 comments Mod
Glad everyone liked the picture of the picture. That was why I looked it up, Meg, because they started talking about it again in the end of the book and I really wanted to see what this thing was.

Nicolo did almost end up seeming priest like in the final pages. He was there for Alessandro to confess to, to get everything out in the open that he had never told anyone in his whole life.

I agree that the book was very well written, but also a bit too much, and I was hoping for more closure in the ending.


message 129: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4583 comments Nicalo felt like the canvas on which Alesandro could paint the image of his life. He was so ignorant, so unformed, so lacking in any ideas that had taken real shape. His ignorance is prominant in the opening chapter. It was as if Alessandro poured out his story onto this blank page so that it might, he might live on. He is an old man about to die and his story with its accumulated wisdom will die with him. Now his body will die, but the essence of his life will live in this stranger.


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