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Sur-r-r-r-re. There's only one way to analyze a book like this, because some dimwit on an internet site just said so.




Since it's silly to run down a book, even that one, just for a footnote, here it is:
"I should not want to use the word 'Machiavellian' however, without offering a kind of apology to M. It seems to me that M's Prince has more to be said in extenuation than is usually said of it. M's strategy as I see it, was something like this: He accepted the values of the Renaissance as a (I) fact. That is: whether you like it or not, they were there and operating, and if it was useless to try persuading the ambitious ruler to accept other values, such as those of the Church. These men believed in the cult of material power, and had the power to implement their beliefs. With so much as "the given" could anything in the way of benefits for the people be salvaged? Machiavelli evolved a typical "Machiavellian" argument in favor of popular benefits, on the basis of the prince's own scheme of values. That is: the ruler, to attain the maximum strength, requires the backing of the populace. That this backing be as effective as possible, the populace should be made as strong as possible. And that the populace be as strong as possible, they should be well treated. Their gratitude would further repay itself in the form of increased loyalty.
It was Machiavelli's hope that, for this roundabout project, he would be rewarded with a well-paying office in the prince's administrative bureaucracy."
At the time one gets the impression that Burke's viewed his view as contrarian. Now I think it's rather standard. Though Burke may have been engaged in some strategy of his own.
Robert Harriman also devotes a chapter to him. I re-read it and am still thinking about it. He gives it a rather different take from Burke.




OK well, since they're all Perfessers, it's permissible to ask "What does "Why" mean?"
I mean, on the smurface of it, Elentarri and Juris are right. However, if by asking "Why", one or more of the Learned Perfessers meant "Why did Machiavelli write **THIS** book (Instead of some good Porn or something which would have been better at getting him a Patron (which is what they called an Employer, back then))?", then, I suppose you'd have to go finger out why Machiavelli thought Lorenzo de' Medici *needed* such a book... (I think I saw some dicsucsion of that in one "Preface" or another... but I'm sure a Learned Perfesser would be greatly amused by a Lengthy Dissertation on the subject NTL...).
Meanwhile, Michael wrote: "2 are morons"
How do you know that all THREE aren't morons?
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Feliks wrote: "^^^^^^^
Sur-r-r-r-re. There's only one way to analyze a book like this, because some dimwit on an internet site just said so."
Look Feliks, I still want to know why you defenestrated Savinkov, and I'm not letting up until you (a) Cop to it and (b) Justify it. (Optionally I will settle for an unequivocal admission on your part that YOU'RE a moron, in exchange for which I'll agree to stop stalking you.)
And anybody who wants to whine about Machiavelli can just be damned glad they didn't also get subjected to Gentillet's "Contra-Machiavel" in college. Or you'd have taken even MORE drugs than you're already making excuses for NOW.
(I, for one, LIKE Machiavelli, because he advised the Ruler to keep his subjects Armed, which means he supported Term Limits.)


Some of them were evil and wanted to do evil stuff, some of them were too soft letting adversaries and sycophants play around with them.
Machiavelli argued *all strategies* to their logical conclusion, so these little pampered princes could realise the risk and moderate their behaviour to everybody's benefit (peace and prosperity).
And before evereybody get all scandalised over which dictators have read the book in recent history, remember that this was the age of inherited power and mean little Joffrey-type princes, and this book has probably averted quite a lot of Game of Thrones-magnitude disasters through history.





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