The Fault in Our Stars
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Am I the only one who hates this book with burning passion?
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May 16, 2014 04:40PM
@Allie: you're 12 and you're telling us that we aren't deep or smart enough to understand TFIOS? You have a lot more maturing, growing up, and reading to do to accurately critique works of literature. I'm still not even at that point, but I was able to understand that this book was bad.
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At least in my opinion it was bad . . .
im just going to leave. this isn't doing any good for me and sorry i can't control what i say when i don't like something i have this need to express it and I'm sorry okay I'm sorry. i didn't want to upset anyone like this please i'm a deep thinker and think a lot so when i feel something i really need to say it and its one of the things i hate about my self so please this isn't helping my low self esteem I'm really sorry i'll leave i didnt want to disgust anyone with my words i just really don't know okay? I'm done- so so done.
please stop i'm not trying to make anyone feel bad just please enough of this can just enjoy books now and forget about the books we hate and just talk about the books we love its not right for all this to happen
Hopefully, Allie, you'll see this. (It depends on how strong your resolve is to stay away. I myself can be very weak-willed when it comes to staying away from vitriolic internet discussions; I like to see how horrible people can get to one another.) I would have sent you a message, but you've got messaging disabled.First, don't let anyone tell you that you're not allowed to love The Fault in Our Stars. It might seem like people here want to take that love away from you, but you don't have to let them. If you had a personal connection to the book, if you related to it or found it somehow comforting or whatever, that's what's important. Not what Aly thinks. Not what Sara thinks. Not what I think. You can take in all the opinions that come your way, but only consider those that are worthwhile. Immediately toss aside those that do nothing but insult you or discount you because you're young. Just because you're young doesn't mean that your opinions are worth less.
Second, it's perfectly okay to not know what to do with your life. Especially when you're twelve. There's a good chance that you'll never actually know what to do with your life. And that's also okay (albeit very frustrating). But right now? Don't worry about it. You have time. Sure, if you want to start thinking about what you might want to study in college or do with the rest of your life, go ahead, but don't tie yourself to any one thing. Leave yourself open to new paths; you might not be all that excited to take a class but instead find yourself riveted. There are so many possibilities, possibilities that you don't even know exist. So keep learning and keep growing. Chase your dreams and know that whatever you're certain you know now? It'll probably change.
Third, insults won't get you anywhere. That is true. Proper grammar, though? It's useful. It might strike you as a pain, but I'd recommend getting in the habit of typing correctly. You'll have to for school, of course, but it's also part of presenting yourself as a worthy contributor. Along those lines: Having a list of reasons why you love The Fault in Our Stars is a great start, but I'd recommend having examples from the text to support those claims. Not only is this excellent practice for your future writing essays in high school, but it makes it more difficult for people to discount your claims. They can still disagree with your analysis, but now they need proof too. Basically, dive deeper. Sometimes, it's all right to stay surface - it depends on how much time and effort you want to put in. Here, though? Providing a thoughtful, rational explanation that avoids relying upon emotion and insults will make you stand out. And if hatred comes your way? Well, then you get to step back and laugh (and maybe bang your head against your keyboard) because you tried to engage in an actual discussion, and no one was interested. Makes you the better person, doesn't it? (Yes. Yes it does.)
One of my tricks for dealing with infuriating internet comments is to type up a livid response but to delete the reply instead of posting it. Sometimes, there's no point to posting. In this discussion? You can defend the book all you want, but in the end, few people are actually interested in listening. I get it: it hurts so much when someone hates your favorite book (or says something that you disagree with), but it's not an attack on YOU, no matter how much it feels like it. (This has since become an attack on you, for which I am sorry. You don't deserve it. No one does.) So you know what? Let it go. Do you honestly truly care what any of us really think about this book? Probably not. So take a step back, maybe laugh because we're totally missing out, and go do something that you enjoy. It'll be a much better use of your time, and you'll also probably be happier. I'd also recommend getting a journal if you don't already keep one; journals are a great place for venting and figuring things out. (Also, it's fun to go back years later and laugh at how immature you were.) Also, you ARE young. Embrace it. Do stupid stuff and learn from it. That's the great thing about being young. It's a lot harder to excuse all the stupid things you do when "you should know better". You might think yourself extremely mature. You're not. I don't mean that to sound harsh or bad. It's not bad. Truth is, I barely remember being twelve, but I do remember thinking myself quite mature, and now, I realize that I probably wasn't. You're a work in progress, Allie, and you've got a whole long life ahead of you to figure yourself out. Don't let anyone make yourself feel bad about yourself because you're not perfect.
anilee wrote: "Hopefully, Allie, you'll see this. (It depends on how strong your resolve is to stay away. I myself can be very weak-willed when it comes to staying away from vitriolic internet discussions; I like..."thank you i needed that :)
i'm trying to be a better person i really am
Charlotte wrote: "Okay, I see there's a lot of quoting to be done. Why do I always miss the action?@Jason: "I am curious, rather than simply not liking the book, thinking it was unrealistic or poorly written, over..."
you may not believe me but I'm actually incredibly mature- weirdly. :/
@Allie: oh my God. You literally came into this discussion guns blazing, calling all of us idiots for not "understanding" this book and now you want to act like a victim because someone stood up to you? Please. Also, Anilee, I didn't read your entire reply because right off the bat I felt like you were defending Allie so I don't know if you tried to depict as me as a bad or rude person in your comment, but I am and was not mean. She came here looking for trouble. I said nothing rude. All I said was that she needed more experience in reading (which isn't at all impolite btw).
Apparently, Allie trolled my review of TMI too. What an immature fidiot.
Allie wrote; "I'm trying to be a better person.Yeah, that's why you are cyberbullying me and others who hated this book...please go tell your mother to teach you some manners and critical thinking skills. Honestly, you're just embarrassing yourself.
Just because you love a certain book doesn't mean that you are a better person than those who hated the book.
It still does not make sense to me as to why THIS book has caught almost every living being's attention.
Allie, I have something for you.....
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anilee wrote: "Hopefully, Allie, you'll see this. (It depends on how strong your resolve is to stay away. I myself can be very weak-willed when it comes to staying away from vitriolic internet discussions; I like..."Are you suggesting that Allie is all innocent and nice and those who replied to her bitchy comments are evil?
Holy shit, I really missed out on the action, didn't I?
PS. Dork Diaries are hee-larious.
PPS. DAMN! I couldn't see the picture!
PS. Dork Diaries are hee-larious.
PPS. DAMN! I couldn't see the picture!
In my opinion, the meaning of TFIOS is much more than two people with cancer falling in love. This is an inference on my part based on the last few lines of the book, but the meaning is about a person who has learned to appreciate the time that you have right now, regardless of how short-lived that time might be. Hazel was not living prior to meeting Gus. Yes, she was breathing, she had a heartbeat...but she was not actually living life. Every single thing she was doing was in preparation for her eminent death and attempts to minimize the impact that her death would have on others. That is what Gus was referring to when he said that Hazel walks lightly on Earth and it was something that he admired about her. Gus was the complete opposite. He wanted to leave behind"a mark", even if he subconsciously knew it would likely be more of a "scar" than a genuine mark. The meaning that I saw in TFIOS is that Hazel doesn't view Gus' mark left behind on her as a "scar". I doubt that Isaac does either. Even though Gus eventually dies and she was heartbroken over his death, she doesn't regret a single moment of the very short time that she did have with him. There is irony in the fact that Gus admired her for trying to not leave behind "scars" and Hazel learning that what she originally perceived as "a scar" truly isn't one at all.
@Allie You read Dork Diaries when you were ten. Congratulations, we're all applauding.
I'm in middle school as well, and using the excuse that you are "still learning" doesn't mean that it's okay to be immature and rude.
This is why I'm ashamed of my generation.
I have to say that I absolutely hate tumblr with a burning passion. Some funky formatting on some of those pages makes it extremely annoying to read and navigate. Reading tumblr reminds of me of reading flyers posted on a wall in NYC where people put flyers on top of flyers on top of flyers on top of a clear as day sign that originally said "Post No Bills".
Aria wrote: "@Allie You read Dork Diaries when you were ten. Congratulations, we're all applauding.
I'm in middle school as well, and using the excuse that you are "still learning" doesn't mean that it's oka..."
I'm ashamed of our generation too i mean i would have never said bad words if society hadn't been the way it was and i just want to say that I'm sorry for making the mistake i made here really i am
sometimes i burst out like that and i don't realize what I'm writing so yea I'm really sorry
Ayesha wrote: "Allie wrote; "I'm trying to be a better person.Yeah, that's why you are cyberbullying me and others who hated this book...please go tell your mother to teach you some manners and critical thinkin..."
look I'm really sorry read the post above
i AM trying to be a better person i am ashamed of myself when i do this I'm a mess i know i have bad grades because i get distracted easily and i am majorly depressed so you are probably a better person than me i'm really sorry ayesha you're not a dumb female dog i'm the idiot here.
You guys are technically from the same generation.....just saying..... :)
@Allie: just stop. I'm honestly not trying to be mean right now, but what you did was wrong but YOU did do it. Society didn't log into your account and type all of those things. So you can't go blaming people and our generation. It's your responsibility to be a good person not society's responsibility. You apologized and I'm sure everyone has accepted it because I accept it. Just stop trying to make yourself the victim because I sure as hell don't feel sorry for you. In fact, it's making me want to dislike you. What's done is done. Learn from your mistakes and don't make excuses for the things you say or do. No will ever take you seriously and it makes you look like a pathetic person. It's better that you learn this now, while you're young. I hope your depression gets better.
Sara wrote: "@Allie: just stop. I'm honestly not trying to be mean right now, but what you did was wrong but YOU did do it. Society didn't log into your account and type all of those things. So you can't go bla..."i AM learning from my mistakes and i DID say sorry and admitted that i was the idiot- i know what i've done.
I read this book in a little more than one hour just yesterday, so I suppose I fall into the "moved" category. I did find Augustus and Hazel highly unbelievable. But hey, that's just me. I can also understand how a reader could have been completely turned off by the book. The beauty of choice, eh?
I have a question for you all. Would you have liked the book, or at least not have hated it so much if it were not for the hype. If you randomly picked it up, it wasn't populare people were not fanning over it. Would you have liked it, thought it was just okay or would you still have hated it.
I enjoyed it though I didn't think that is was the greatest book in the world, and not even the best John Green book. I enjoyed the book mostly because I read it with my girlfriend and I enjoyed having discussions with her about the book.
Thank you for putting my hatred for this book in words! I absolutely loathe TFIOS, I think it's the most overrated book I've ever read. The plot was so predictable almost from the very start of the book and I can't understand how *SPOILER* his death was upsetting in the slightest. It was so freakin' obvious that one of them would die and I guessed it would be Annoying Jerk #2. There's an overwhelming amount of better books out there that deserve so much more attention and it's a sad fact that one of (if not THE) worst books of this genre is repeatedly praised. Thank you so much for your review, I was really glad to see that someone else detested this book as much as I did!
I have the same dilemma as you. Cashed out on the paperback version (thank goodness) and felt that I paid for something that sort of commanded that it was greater than me. I did not enjoy the feeling of combing through this book with the repetition of the notion "memento mori" obnoxiously embedded in every page. I also have a problem with his characterizations; they're all pretty much the same people with the same notions and ideals to me. In short, they were some pretty stale characters that knew too much and said too much. Also, I didn't like the story's approach to cancer, having been able to witness a lot of relatives fall victim to this disease. I felt that the sickness was used as a means to create the plot of this book and in turn appeared fickle. While John Green's a great guy and all, I'm not a fan of his literary works.
I don't hate this book as much, but well I think this book is too overrated and well that's why I got interested to it in the first place though. But when I started reading the book, I didn't think that the book will be so boring :( I mean... okay they are two people with illness fall in love so what?Then there is this phrase Hazel and August made in the book 'Cancer perks' well I wonder if this book is one of their cancer perks :D
I'm not saying that this book is ugly,
I just think that this doesn't worth as much as what people say :(
Raynebow wrote: "I have a question for you all. Would you have liked the book, or at least not have hated it so much if it were not for the hype. If you randomly picked it up, it wasn't populare people were not fan..."I would still hate it but TFIOS will be that kind of book that I just read and forgot about. People roaring how TFIOS is the best book ever makes me angry, the hype makes it hard to forget such a book.
One of you told me to try reading "me and earl and the dying girl" So I placed a hold for it at the library. Im going to see if I liked it better then TFIOS.
Unfortunatly, you review doesnt quite make sence. you dont belive Hazel and Gus are not round characters...well did you ever consider that they didnt go way into detail about their characters because they wanted you to use your imagaination? THAT IS HOW THEY RELATE! becauseyou get to make their backstory your own. and the kissing scene, in the Frank's house i understand your...ah anger? but you have to imagain what these people would see. picture a young girl with an oxygen tank. and a young boy limping next to her. oviously something is wrong with the both of them. They think how tragic it is to have such young people go through god knows what. than all the sudden they kiss. and what these people are thinking is young love. these two kids who are in pain found the closest thing humans have to magic. LOVE!
I've heard of using your imagination to visualize a setting or a place, but never to add more depth to character.
I bet the ghost of Anne Frank is very unhappy. :(
People do seem to be very upset about the Anne Frank house thing. It seem a tad disrespectful to me. That would be like having a full make-out session in the holocaust museum. I liked the book, but yes that mark irritated me, I don't care if you have cancer or not, you should not kiss in the anne Frank house
*part (not mark)
Tater wrote: "Unfortunatly, you review doesnt quite make sence. you dont belive Hazel and Gus are not round characters...well did you ever consider that they didnt go way into detail about their characters becau..."
Although, I didn't hate this book I did dislike it very much. Many of the points expounded upon above are the exact reasons I found this book so unappealing, but primarily it felt totally and utterly hopeless. The fleeting mention of an after life and the witty banter attempted to replace the very real issues that cancer patients face and deal with. It felt smug and sad and I am sorry I wasted my time. No this was not a masterpiece nor was it inspirational in anyway. So in short, no you are not alone in your contempt for this novel.
A cat with a melon rind snugged over its ears, whiskers bent down over its eyes, kept that way at least long enough for such a dignified portrait. Perhaps Ayesha thinks this cat did it to herself / himself, or meowed beseechingly to have her caring, sensitive, loving owner do it for her. Not that a cat's ears or whiskers are particularly sensitive, or some other such bleeding heart crap. I mean, if it's only for a minute or two so a photo can be taken for Ayesha's point-proving pleasure, who gives a poop? A guy like John Green certainly wouldn't understand, so to hell with him, and. you know, he just might write a book about cats with owners who stuff fruit rinds on their heads and get such a kick out of it, or other such literary b.s. Well, it certainly proves Ayesha's sensitivity, her care, her ability to discern human sensitivities about not only cats but also John Green novels. What could be more wonderful and revealing of the best of a person than to use such photos to demonstrate intelligence and wit, her clever, sublime points? Well done, Ayesha. Very well done. Now, let's see what other things people can do to cats to take photos of and post for Ayesha's debating pleasure. You go, Girl! Meeeow!!!
You don't have to be so rude, Trace. It's just a fucking meme I put up against a troll.
Besides Trace, there are chances that that cat is photoshopped or of the breed that has small, naturally folded ears. As for whiskers, cats don't necessarily need to have well angled ones, Grumpy cat has got whiskers all over her face sticking out at odd angles.
Besides Trace, there are chances that that cat is photoshopped or of the breed that has small, naturally folded ears. As for whiskers, cats don't necessarily need to have well angled ones, Grumpy cat has got whiskers all over her face sticking out at odd angles.
Aly∞ wrote: "It's okay Ayesha, you're allowed to use memes if you want, hahaha. For someone to take it so personally, they must've found it incredibly insulting that a cat was wearing a fruit headpiece."Hahahaha!
Raynebow wrote: "I have a question for you all. Would you have liked the book, or at least not have hated it so much if it were not for the hype. If you randomly picked it up, it wasn't populare people were not fan..."Still would have disliked it. I don't judge on hype, but the quality of words in front of me, regardless of who writes them.
And holy shit, I go away for a Supernatural convention and you all give me 132 messages to plough through? Although, won a coffee lounge with Misha Collins, who is a major hero of mine. Luckiest duck ever. And Osric Chau dipped me in my picture, was so much fun. If we wanna talk good storytelling, Supernatural for sure! Although, hated the end of the season finale Tuesday night. Season ten might blow ass with that twist.
Rambling, sorry, trying to avoid thinking of TFIOS! Btw, scanning through, saw a couple of people say they'd be interested in reading my stuff. It's still in the editing process, but if you can cope with that, PM me and we'll sort something out!
Annisa wrote: "I don't hate this book as much, but well I think this book is too overrated and well that's why I got interested to it in the first place though. But when I started reading the book, I didn't think...""Cancer perks" is a vile turn of phrase. No one should revel in the material possessions they receive when their focus should be kicking cancer's ass.
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