The Fault in Our Stars
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Am I the only one who hates this book with burning passion?
I love that book!!! It's completely amazing!
Paper Towns is going to be made into a movie. *cue my infinite sobbing*
I've seen the plots for all his other books and they seem like cheesy, pretentious romances that are exactly identical to TFIOS.
I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who lets their son—who's dying from cancer, might I say—go to another country with a girl they hardly know? Looking for Alaska was much more realistic.
Why is everyone going on this thread saying "yes, you're the only one"? Don't they realize that the reason this discussion is still going on in the first place is because there are people who agree with the topic of it?
The Hurt in out Hearts by John Mean.
Aly wrote: "Charlotte wrote: "Haha, I enjoyed doing it."Gotta say though, he does have a fab body in that picture. ;)"
Hahaha! I can't imagine how he'll react when he sees it for the first time :D
Aly wrote: "Charlotte wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "Aly wrote: "Charlotte wrote: "Haha, I enjoyed doing it."
Gotta say though, he does have a fab body in that picture. ;)"
Hahaha! I can't imagine how he'll react wh..."
Or hire a bunch of monkeys...
Gotta say though, he does have a fab body in that picture. ;)"
Hahaha! I can't imagine how he'll react wh..."
Or hire a bunch of monkeys...
Why not cows? MOOOOOOOOOO-NEY
yup, you do have the right, but seriously? the book was so awesome. I cant believe you didn't like it! I LOVED IT!!!!
Me too, this bood was literally the end of me. I cried for three days! It was freaking amazing
@charlotteI swear, they're all fakes- every single account is probably John green himself, defending his book.
Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who lets their son—who's dying from cancer, might I s..."I agree about the stupidity of the cigarette metaphor. However, I disagree with the rest. Exchange programs send kids to live with complete strangers in another country. Also, Hazel wasn't a girl that he barely knew. They were dating and toward the end of the book, it becomes obvious that their parents developed a friendship and had become close.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who lets their son—who's dying from canc..."I meant Augustus's mother and father. He was still a high school student and a minor therefore he needed parental permission. I know they met Hazel and everything, but Augustus was on the verge of death and his parents didn't know Hazel and her parents /that/ well. They only knew each other for a couple of months and spoke on occasion. It seemed really weird that they let him go. I mean, would you let your son or daughter go on a trip across the world with their boyfriend/girlfriend whose parents you hardly know while he was dying from cancer? Also in the book, Augustus reveals that his parents were against him going because they were arguing when Hazel and her mother went to pick him up yet he went on the trip. I don't know, but it doesn't make any since to me. My parents barely let me go to any sleepovers with friends I've known since the 6th grade.
Sara wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who lets their son..."My mum used to be in a team of four nurses who helped a wish foundation for terminal kids. They took maybe eight of them to Disney World every year, usually with both parents, sometimes with siblings. They would need more carers than just Hazel's mother, especially as this is his wish before dying. And he would be close to it, my mother did those trips for about five years and sometimes kids died the day after getting home.
I meant Augustus's mother and father. He was still a high school student and a minor therefore he needed parental permission. I know they met Hazel and everything, but Augustus was on the verge of death and his parents didn't know Hazel and her parents /that/ well. They only knew each other for a couple of months and spoke on occasion. It seemed really weird that they let him go. I mean, would you let your son or daughter go on a trip across the world with their boyfriend/girlfriend whose parents you hardly know while he was dying from cancer? Also in the book, Augustus reveals that his parents were against him going because they were arguing when Hazel and her mother went to pick him up yet he went on the trip. I don't know, but it doesn't make any since to me. My parents barely let me go to any sleepovers with friends I've known since the 6th grade. I got the impression that their parents were much closer than that. The book makes it clear that both sets of parents had already discussed that trip amongst each other and that Hazel's parents were aware of Gus' relapse before the trip and before Hazel knew. Given the circumstances, I didn't find them allowing the trip to be far fetched at all.
Siobhan wrote: "Sara wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who l..."Okay
Mochaspresso wrote: "I meant Augustus's mother and father. He was still a high school student and a minor therefore he needed parental permission. I know they met Hazel and everything, but Augustus was on the verge of ..."If they had discussed it so thoroughly then Augustus and his mother would not have been arguing seconds before Hazel and her mother arrived to go to the airport.
Siobhan wrote: "Sara wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who l..."It's not impossible for terminally ill people to travel. I've encountered such people on every single vacation that I've ever been on. I climbed a waterfall in Jamaica with people of all ages (people had kids as young as 8 and 9 yrs old climbing; think about it....people here are saying that they couldn't even go on sleepovers and somewhere else in the world, parents are allowing their kids to climb waterfalls) and with terminally ill patients who had no medical professionals/staff with them. The "terminal" label can actually have many different faces. Even though Gus and Hazel had the label, they weren't too sick to fly at that point.
Realistically, here in the US, the cost of a nurse along with the travel expenses would be quite expensive for a trip like that and neither Hazel or Gus were at the point where they required that type care at the time of their trip. Neither of them had private nurses tending to them at home in their daily lives.
Sara wrote: If they had discussed it so thoroughly then Augustus and his mother would not have been arguing seconds before Hazel and her mother arrived to go to the airport. That's not true for me at all. My father argued with me about my first apartment even as he was helping me move in. He argued with me about my first car, too. (...come to think of it, I'm grown and he argued with me about my current car, too.) Parents do that. They don't always like all of the choices that their kids make. Sometimes they put their foot down and other times, even though they may voice their disapproval, they ultimately allow their kids to make their own decisions.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "Sara wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "meta..."Mochaspresso, I'm not saying that the thought of someone who is terminally ill visiting another country is completely unheard of. I'm just saying that the entire situation is so complicated and sort of unrealistic. Not many teenagers would relate to this particular situation. Cancer patient or not.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: If they had discussed it so thoroughly then Augustus and his mother would not have been arguing seconds before Hazel and her mother arrived to go to the airport. That's not true for ..."
I'm sure you weren't a minor when you were moving into your first apartment. Being a seventeen year old, I can say that if my parents told me I couldn't go visit another country I most certainly cannot go.
Aly wrote: "@Sara: I agree. The entire Amsterdam trip seemed far too unrealistic. Especially when they got there and Hazel's mum let them do whatever they wanted and they went out without supervision more than..."That's exactly what I'm trying to say. I'm glad someone understands where I'm coming from :)
Sara wrote: "I'm sure you weren't a minor when you were moving into your first apartment. Being a seventeen year old, I can say that if my parents told me I couldn't go visit another country I most certainly cannot go. I was 19, but no, I wasn't a minor. I was younger than Hazel and Gus the first time that I was allowed to roam freely while on vacation, though. Interesting how people won't allow a 17 yr old an afternoon of free reign while on vacation yet they are just fine with shipping them off hundreds of miles away to college alone a year later at 18. They can't manage an afternoon of sightseeing alone but they can manage a co-ed dorm?
Gus' parents didn't tell him that he couldn't go. They didn't like the idea of it....but they did allow him to go.
I will say, this book didn't quite meet my expectations after all the hoopla I heard about it. There were things I liked, but there were quite a few things I didn't. Like the overuse of "whatever." And the unrealistic trip to Amsterdam or the author traveling to the US to finish their conversation. There were also A LOT of open ends. But hey, to each his own. I still look forward to the movie. It looks like it's going to be Nicholas Sparks-esk.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I'm sure you weren't a minor when you were moving into your first apartment. Being a seventeen year old, I can say that if my parents told me I couldn't go visit another country I most..."You're so right about the college thing. Anywho, I still think this book was absolutely unrealistic. Like what Lis Ann just pointed out about the author coming to America and finishing their conversation. Nevertheless, everyone's entitled to their opinion so if you liked the book that's great! For me, I thought it was rather pretentious and unrelatable.
Aly wrote: "@Sara: I agree. The entire Amsterdam trip seemed far too unrealistic. Especially when they got there and Hazel's mum let them do whatever they wanted and they went out without supervision more than..."That's a little much. I mean, Hazel and Gus have both been living with this illness for a long time and I'm sure they have both grown independent enough to handle it without parental supervision. Sure, some parents are more protective than others, but some give their kids a lot more breathing room and I don't think the book was unrealistic in that aspect at all.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: No offense but there's a huge difference between your parents arguing with you about moving out or your car and terminally ill children arguing about going to another country without medical supervision. The way I see it is if Augustus was dying, he shouldn't have been allowed to go without a nurse, no matter how expensive medical attention is. The way you put it makes it sound like America said, "oh well, you're dying so I'm not going to fork out the necessary money to get you medical supervision."
That's not what I meant at all. Out of curiosity, who do you suppose would be paying for the nurse and for the nurse's travel expenses? Things like private nurses are not just an automatic given here in the US. You have to either have money or good insurance that covers the cost. Since a wish foundation was paying for Gus' trip, I assume that they would have covered the cost of the nurse for him, had one been deemed necessary. However, in Gus and Hazel's case, neither were at the point where they needed that type of care yet. (Hazel can and does go about her daily life, which includes taking college courses and driving a car alone but she can't fly abroad with her mother?) Yes, a trip is a risky proposition, but it isn't unheard of. With proper planning, it can be done.
Also, not everyone coddles their kids to such a degree. Depending on how you've raised your child and how well you know their friends and their parents, 16 and 17 should be old enough to allow them to go sightseeing for an afternoon together.
Speaking of coddling kids, I've been reading some of the comments in the "What age is too young to read this series?" thread in the Twilight forums. Some consider Breaking Dawn too sexually graphic for a 13 year old. If that's the case, wouldn't today's middle schools be too graphic for a naive 13 or 14 year old, too? In this day and age, are people really sheltering their kids so much that they are actually willfully sending sexually naive and ignorant 13 year olds into today's middle schools? Honestly, if that is the case, I think the parents are actually the ones who are naive and delusional. Your child's peers at school will not have those same hang ups and will gleefully fill in the gaps that you've left and that info may not necessarily be accurate. My thinking is the complete opposite. There is no way in hell that I would ever consider sending my child to school at any age without having had those types of talks.
The charity funding the trip would have funded the nurse, otherwise the charity is letting them down (going back to my mothers experience, she didn't have to pay accommodation or flights, because it was covered, and she was working when she was out there, it was a mutual thing)Some things Hazel needs help with, which is canon. Her night system of breathing, she can't do on her own. All her oxygen tanks would have been too heavy for her and Gus.
Also, if the nurse is too damn expensive, consider the cost effectiveness of a drug being manufactured purely for Hazel's use because no one else benefitted from it. That would have cost thousands to produce, so unless the whole backstory of the drug is bullshit that comes with Hazel's superiority complex, her parents would have to be freaking rich just to support production and research, in which case a trip to Amsterdam with a nurse would be short change.
John Green didn't think it through.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: It was stated in the novel that Augustus wasn't well enough and that's what sparked the argument with his parents in the first place. I don't think John Green even thought about a p..."I was meant to go on a trip to France a few weeks after I was hospitalised with TTP. My doctors tried telling me nicely they thought I shouldn't go but I was hopeful anyway, until one of them said 'if you can describe what you've had in French, should you get a relapse, you can go.' And that drove the point home. However, I think that attitude only exists when people have a fighting chance. When it's obvious they're not going to survive, then they get the funded trip. It's why I hate Green's attitude to the 'perks' and trips to Disney World, it's so goddamn callous.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: It was stated in the novel that Augustus wasn't well enough and that's what sparked the argument with his parents in the first place. I don't think John Green even thought about a p..."Actually, the novel doesn't ever say that he couldn't travel. Just that his parents originally didn't approve. Likely because he was interrupting his treatment until he returns. It is extremely risky but I don't think it is impossible or as far fetched as you are implying.
There are certain things that being close to home just won't save you from. Something could have happened to Hazel anywhere. Exactly to what extent would you let that fear cripple and hinder you? In her place or her mother's place, I think I would have taken the risk on the trip too.
Siobhan wrote: "The charity funding the trip would have funded the nurse, otherwise the charity is letting them down (going back to my mothers experience, she didn't have to pay accommodation or flights, because i..."I've seen people fly with oxygen. They use the portable ones for the flight and the airline staff takes care of any heavy lifting, not the patient. Regular/healthy people don't even have to do their own lifting if they don't want to. There are airline attendants at the airport who will help you. All you have to do is tip them. I'm not exactly sure about this part, but I also don't think patients actually fly with all of the tanks that they would need for their trip. I don't think airlines allow that. I think the person must make advance provisions to obtain what they will need when they arrive at their destination.
I'd have to re-read, but I don't think the story said or implied that the drug was being manufactured solely for Hazel or that her parents were funding the production and the research. Where did that come from? Wasn't she participating in a trial?
Siobhan wrote: "Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: It was stated in the novel that Augustus wasn't well enough and that's what sparked the argument with his parents in the first place. I don't think John Green even thoug..."I think we have completely different mindsets to travel. Rightly or wrongly so, I would have taken that as an excellent opportunity and reason to learn French and went anyway.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: You're going to disagree with everything I say, anyway, but my points are valid no matter how hard you argue them. A realistic hospital would never agree to let Augustus interrupt ..."I'm not disagreeing for the sake of it or to be argumentative. That particular point just is not valid. People delay and even flat out refuse life saving treatment all of the time. My grandmother refused dialysis and died of kidney failure. That was her choice as she was very adamant that she did not want to live hooked up to machines in any way what so ever. The police, ambulance and hospital all said that she was in her right mind and stated her wishes verbally and in writing with a valid DNR and health proxy. They could not and would not force her to accept treatment no matter what anyone else thought or said on the matter. It was a bone of contention in my family as members were split between wanting to do whatever they believed they could do to save her and others wanting to honor her wishes. What I am trying to explain is that his doctors can recommend that he not go....but if he and his parents decide to go, the hospital can't and wouldn't necessarily try to stop him.
The book doesn't go into the details, but I get the impression that Hazel's mom, with years of experience of helicoptoring Hazel was probably on it with the necessary advance preparations that made that trip happen. As a reader, I didn't necessarily feel that I needed those details spelled out for me. I guess that is because I don't think of it as something that is far fetched or impossible in the first place. You guys are acting like Amsterdam is a deserted island.
Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: I'm saying that he shouldn't have been able to go without a nurse accompanying them. I'm not saying it's not his right to refuse treatment, but other hospitals could and would refus..."I won't deny that it is a risky endeavor, but you can purchase all kinds of travel medical insurance including provisions for emergency evacuation back to the US if you are that worried and concerned. I think Hazel's mom was pretty savvy. I think it's likely that she had all of this covered.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "Aly wrote: "@Mochaespresso: It was stated in the novel that Augustus wasn't well enough and that's what sparked the argument with his parents in the first place. I don't think John ..."I know some French, but explaining exactly why my blood is clotting and why that means I don't have much when a) I almost had a stroke and b) was told I might be brain damaged while c) having extreme effects of fatigue from d) my very intense treatment rendered me unable to do so.
We're not going to agree, clearly, but since I'm approaching this with experience I might have hoped some of what I had to say would be treated with a little more respect.
Also, it's canon that 70% of those who had tried the drug had an adverse reaction! and Hazel was the only one benefiting, but it may actually have been masking her illness, as it led to plural effusions. It's canon that she was the only one using it.
@Mochespreso wether you enjoyed the book or not can't you just agree that the book and that particular trip itself is unrealistic? My friend who has leukemia can't even leave the hospital because her immune system is down, she can catch any illness in a heartbeat. And I know patients could stop treatment if they believe it's going nowhere, but Gus was a minor. His parents have jurisdiction over him and he couldn't stop treatment unless his parents sought so. And it was obvious they were against it. The situation makes little to no sense, to be honest. It just seems that you are arguing with every fact presented to you.
Siobhan wrote: " know some French, but explaining exactly why my blood is clotting and why that means I don't have much when a) I almost had a stroke and b) was told I might be brain damaged while c) having extreme effects of fatigue from d) my very intense treatment rendered me unable to do so.We're not going to agree, clearly, but since I'm approaching this with experience I might have hoped some of what I had to say would be treated with a little more respect.
Also, it's canon that 70% of those who had tried the drug had an adverse reaction! and Hazel was the only one benefiting, but it may actually have been masking her illness, as it led to plural effusions. It's canon that she was the only one using it.
It wasn't my intention to not be respectful of your illness. I'm sorry that's how it came across. I just don't believe that every serious illness has to completely eliminate all possibility of travel. Each case if different. I'm not saying that everyone can and should just hop on a plane an fly away unprepared. No. Not at all. I'm just saying that the same way others can find examples of reasons why such a trip seems far fetched, another person somewhere else in the world has probably managed to find a way to do it.
I'm not sure where some of your canon comments are coming from. The book doesn't say that she was the only one using the drug. It said that it wasn't working in 70% of cases and that very few people had been on it as long as she has.
Sara wrote: "@Mochespreso wether you enjoyed the book or not can't you just agree that the book and that particular trip itself is unrealistic? My friend who has leukemia can't even leave the hospital because h..."Some of the stuff that is being presented is not actually "FACT", though. Sorry. It's just not.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15...
http://rare.us/story/woman-with-termi...
http://coloncancer.about.com/gi/o.htm...
Obviously, this all depends on the type of cancer, the stage and the treatment that the patient is undergoing....but it's not a given fact that a person who is terminal can't do xyz. Like I said before, my friend was in the midst of training for an ironman when he was diagnosed and continued to train until he was physically unable to do so. If a man can manage to run 20 miles a day after being diagnosed with a terminal illness.....I think it's also entirely possible that a teenaged boy and girl can manage a trip to Amsterdam with her mother for a few days.
A parent disapproving of a child's decisions is not necessarily the same thing as them actually withholding their permission or them forbidding it. Gus' parents disapproved of his trip but they didn't FORBID it. Big Big Difference. Gus had his parent's permission to go to Amsterdam.
@MochaI said absolutely nothing about Augustus not being able to leave the hospital. I was simply connecting my friends situation with Augustus's. I'm not even concerned with that specific argument anymore. I've already said that he and his mom were arguing about the trip and Hazel and Gus only knew each other (or were dating whatever) for a couple of months. Who let's their son who's dying from cancer go to another country with someone they've only just met?? I know they both had cancer/their parents were friends/it was his wish. Whatever. It just makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't Gus's mother go as a chaperone herself? I mean, he is dying. She only has so much time left with her only son. It just seems so unrealistic and out of reach. You're not going to change my mind about it no matter how many links you post. Also the entire thing with the author of the book was so far fetched. What are the odds that a teenage boy and a girl both suffering from cancer meet, start dating, go to a trip to Europe, meet the girl's favorite author, the boy dies, the author comes to the boys grave and finished the conversation he was having with the girl, etc. Sorry I just?
@Aly that's exactly how I felt reading the book. I read it last year because all my friends were raving about it and I wanted to fit in, but I kind of hated it. I thought it was sort of sweet the connection they had but then came the part where he put the cigarette between his lips and calls it a "metaphor". What seventeen year old boy actually does this? It wasn't even a one time thing it was constantly and that's really what set me off. It gave false expectations to several teen girls. No boy is like that. That stuff only happens in chick flicks. Not even Nicholas Sparks would have written that.
Sara wrote: "@MochaI said absolutely nothing about Augustus not being able to leave the hospital. I was simply connecting my friends situation with Augustus's. I'm not even concerned with that specific argument anymore. I've already said that he and his mom were arguing about the trip and Hazel and Gus only knew each other (or were dating whatever) for a couple of months. Who let's their son who's dying from cancer go to another country with someone they've only just met?? I know they both had cancer/their parents were friends/it was his wish. Whatever. It just makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't Gus's mother go as a chaperone herself? I mean, he is dying. She only has so much time left with her only son. It just seems so unrealistic and out of reach. You're not going to change my mind about it no matter how many links you post. Also the entire thing with the author of the book was so far fetched. What are the odds that a teenage boy and a girl both suffering from cancer meet, start dating, go to a trip to Europe, meet the girl's favorite author, the boy dies, the author comes to the boys grave and finished the conversation he was having with the girl, etc. Sorry I just? @Mocha
You don't have to change your mind. No biggie. I'm just responding to what's being said. Throwing my 2 cents into the mix.
Perhaps she allowed him to go because she knew that it was his wish and she wanted to honor that despite the fact that she personally disapproved of it. No one is guaranteed any amount of time here on earth. He could just as easily have been hit by a car on his way to school. Perhaps she realized that keeping him home wouldn't necessarily prevent him from dying. Especially from illness.
Perhaps she couldn't go and chaperone because her health insurance through her job is what is paying for his care and she wasn't able to take the time off. Perhaps she was fine with letting him go because some people allow their kids to have a little more freedom as they get older. I went on vacation with family friends when I was much younger than Hazel and family friends came on vacation with us, too.
It seems clear that the parents had contact with each other unbeknownst to Hazel. Perhaps the parents became very close or already were very close and Hazel just didn't realize it.
Didn't he have a younger sibling? I don't think he was her only child. Perhaps she couldn't get a passport for the younger child in time and couldn't/didn't want to leave him/her.
Perhaps even though she disapproved and worried for Gus, she still was optimistic that a few days in Amsterdam wouldn't turn out to be so bad.
@Mocha He had two older sisters which is why I said he was her "only son". I'm done arguing. If you respected my opinion in the first place, you wouldn't have mentioned me trying to prove me wrong.
Sara wrote: "@Mocha He had two older sisters which is why I said he was her "only son". I'm done arguing. If you respected my opinion in the first place, you wouldn't have mentioned me trying to prove me wrong."Fair enough about the only son thing.
I didn't realize we were arguing. I was just discussing, honestly. Different people from different walks of life can have varying perceptions of what is or isn't realistic. I totally respect your ability to voice your opinion and to stand by it......however wrong and uninformed I think it may be. :p
Some don't think that it's realistic that a parent would allow their child who is a quadruple amputee play tackle football. Some would even call the idea crazy. Yet.....
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style...
@Mocha I don't think the fact they let him go on the trip is unrealistic. You're acting as if the boy did not have cancer and was not facing death, Mocha. You must understand this situation is different since he has cancer. I didn't say that situation in itself is unrealistic on its own. I'm saying every thing that happens in this book is impractical. I also think it's funny that you choose to call me uninformed. I might not know a lot about cancer, but you're the one ignoring the real topic at hand. You're continuing to talk about the topic of the trip, about how his parents disapproved or whatever, but you don't talk about anything else I'm pointing out. Like the course of events that occurred once they reached their destination. You're impossible and redundant and you're linking me to things I honestly don't care about. I don't even understand where you're coming from at this point. Are you trying to inform me about how it is possible for kids with cancer to travel because I know that! Thanks!
Sorry, but you are uninformed if you believe that going on vacation for a few days was unrealistic for Hazel and Gus because of their illness. People sicker than they were are out climbing mountains somewhere in the world right now. So what if they are sick after? So what if they are reprimanded by a doctor or someone else who doesn't understand their wishes or what drives or motivates them to do what they set out to do? They've already been diagnosed as terminal and been given a projected life expectancy. Staying home and close to the doctor doesn't guarantee anyone that they will survive their cancer. There is no guarantees for that. Many follow the doctors orders and still die anyway. If you think my comment was uncalled for, I was being completely honest and I will not take it back. I truly meant it....not as a snub to anyone but as a firm personal conviction of my own. If some doctor told me that, I most certainly would have been inspired to learn french and go just to prove to myself that I could do it. I think that is part of what people saw in TFIOS. They get what it's like to be inspired to live life and enjoy the moment and have no regrets. Hazel wasn't doing that before.
You guys saw it as unrealistic and that's fine. I'm just explaining why I wholeheartedly disagree.
Mochaspresso wrote: "Sorry, but you are uninformed if you believe that going on vacation for a few days was unrealistic for Hazel and Gus because of their illness. People sicker than they were are out climbing mountai..."Oh my God. Honestly in all of my comments—you can go back and read all of them if you wish—I did not ONCE say that terminally ill people can not travel so why are you trying to prove me wrong for something I didn't even say? Please get your facts straight because right now you are arguing over something that was never even said. All I ever said was that Gus's parents hardly knew Hazel's parents. They met each other a little after Hazel and Gus started to befriend one another. So by the time that trip to Amsterdam was proposed, they had only been acquaintances for a couple of months. Who lets their teen son who's dying from cancer go to Europe with someone they barely know? What if something happens? And Gus was already sick (that's why he was arguing with his mother as we have concluded), he could have gotten worse on the trip. What would his parents do? They are thousands of miles away.
I'm saying it is unrealistic that they would have let him go to Europe without his mom or dad tagging along as well as one Hazel Grace's parents. Please point out to me where I ever stated that it would be impossible for Gus to travel solely because he's suffering from osteosarcoma. Please do tell me where I was "uninformed"? Since you're so smart and I'm not, please cite where I went wrong.
Thank you, Mochaspresso.
Siobhan wrote: "Sara wrote: "Mochaspresso wrote: "Sara wrote: "I thought the book was very unrealistic. What 16/17 year old boy do you know puts cigarettes in between his lips and calls it a "metaphor"? And who l..."See, the kid suffering from cancer would go with both of /their/ parents. Do any of your links say that, Mochaspresso?
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