Martin, George R.R: A Clash of Kings [A Song of Ice & Fire #1] - ("Buddy Read" Revisit Start Date: January 2, 2014) - REVISIT November ??, 2015

[Zonnah]

Questions Chapter 4 (Bran) - Chapter 7 (Catelyn)

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9. I gotta ask: What are your theories regarding the wolves howling and Bran's reaction? (it might be childish but I have a feeling it might be important later on?)

Bran is interesting to me. My feelings are he is going to end up either seeing the future or connected to the wolves somehow.

10. The dream Bran has when he's supposed to have a dreamless sleep: what is he dreaming as? Is he a dire-wolf? Or is it symbolic of a time to come?

I think a dire-wolf.

11. Arya rocks :P. Now we know who Bull was. Wonder how the queen knew? Littlefinger? Varys?

I love Arya as well! My guess is littlefinger.

12. Finally we get a little bit history on the King's history. I confess I got lost sometimes. Question is does this information serve any purpose later on?

Glad I was not the only one that got confused.

13. Whew, look at the list of demands in the treatise. Its more unbelievable as each item is read. Young as he is, I felt the terms could have been better. What's your thoughts?

I felt like he was asking for a lot of stuff and most of it was very much in his favor. I don't think they will accept it.

14. Was Robb wise in letting the River lords depart? Maybe he could have granted them a reprieve instead of permanently? I can't help feeling that divided like this is not good.

I wish he did not let them depart since the war was not over. I feel that it is a bad omen as well.

15. Theon is a wildcard. We will soon be having from his POV (self: no sides!) Do you think his going to his father heralding some thing? Any theories?

I am not liking his character so by my feelings I don't think he is up to any good.

16. Another theory question: Which would you prefer: Robb aligning with Renly or with Stannis or maybe Dany? At this rate, aligning with Renly is the possible solution since I think we are seeing Robb's inexperience with war here.

Good question! I hope for Dany but that is only because I am not a fan of the brothers.

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Zonnah wrote: "Did we ever settle on a reading schedule? I am a little confused..."


Reading Schedule:

Date Chapters
January 02-04 Prologue - 11 (Theon)
January 05-08 12 (Daenerys) - 23 (Jon)
January 09-10 24 (Theon) - 35 (Bran)
January 11-13 36 (Tyrion) - 47 (Arya)
January 14 BREAK / CATCH-UP DAY
January 15-17 48 (Daenerys) - 59 (Tyrion)
January 18-20 60 (Sansa) - 69 (Bran)

[Zonnah]

Moderators of Nothing but Reading Challenges (All the Mods) wrote: "Zonnah wrote: "Did we ever settle on a reading schedule? I am a little confused..."


Reading Schedule:

Date Chapters
January 2 Prologue - 11 (Theon)
January 5 12 (..."

Thank you. :)

[Zonnah]

Questions Chapter 8 (Tyrion) - Chapter 11 (Theon)

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17. Tyrion is flexing his power; think there will be repercussions? If so, from whom? Do you trust Ser Jacelyn Bywater to be loyal to Tyrion? Or to Varys?

Repercussions? Most defiantly! I think the queen will be upset but not be able to really do anything. But, otherwise not sure from whom it will come from. I hope Jacelyn Bywater will be faithful to Tyrion. But, I also feel as if Varys motives are very close to Tyrion so it will be interesting how that relationship grows.

18. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling.” Varys made this statement. What is your current take on him? Or hasn't it changed.

I still think he is a sneaky little devil but all these little snippets we are learning about him makes me wonder what his history is.

19. I wondered briefly about the “sudden plague of holy men” brought forth from the comet (Varys tells Tyrion); then I began to really wonder about them after reading of Theon’s uncle, the priest of the Drowned God, Aeron Greyjoy.

I did not think about that connection, interesting.

20. Arya and Bull; think they’ll become allies? Looking at the map, they are not even half way to their destination and Arya is seeing a lot of “scorched earth” from the warring factions; what effect will this have on her?

I am giddy in hopes they will become allies, lol. Good question about how it will affect her, maybe make her grow up faster. I know she has been independent and strong to begin with but at the same time she has been pretty naive about things that have happened. (Overhearing the conversation about killing the hand and not understanding)

21. Do you think the wolves Arya encountered in the forest knew she was who she was? (That they knew Nymeria and thus recognized her – or just that she was a Stark?)

I am hoping that Nymeria will come back to Arya, so yes.

22. What is your take on Davos? Cautious, loyal, trustworthy, wily? Is there a distinction between him as a smuggler and Salladhor Saan as a pirate?

So far he seems like a good guy and is even noticing how Stannis is acting different. As to the distinction between smuggler and pirate I can only guess: smuggler just steals and pirate steals and kills?

23. What is your opinion of the whole “Sword of Fire/Red Sword of Heroes” scene? What of Salladhor Saan’s recounting of the tale of Lightbringer?

Not sure :(

24. King Stannis has burned the Seven gods and put his faith in his “red hawk”. Davos warns him his people will not love him for this. Comments?

If he is as ridged as the author is making him out to be he just might not have faith in any god so to him it does not matter. Also, it makes his wife happy. I don't think his people will care much but I do think other kingdoms might be offended.

25. Theon Greyjoy was getting a blow-job while thinking of his coming crown. A bit arrogant, right?

More like a prick. Really not liking how he handled the daughter on the ship.

26. Like Theon, I fear I know which unprotected plum Lord Balon is planning on taking. You?

Nope.....

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[Moderators of NBRC, Challenger-in-Chief]

My apologies. Post #52 had some repetition in it and no break day. It has been edited. (Reading schedule also appears in Post #1 - which has also been edited.)

[Renee]

Questions Chapter 8 (Tyrion) - Chapter 11 (Theon)
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17. Tyrion is flexing his power; think there will be repercussions? If so, from whom? Do you trust Ser Jacelyn Bywater to be loyal to Tyrion? Or to Varys?
I don't think Cersei will like Tyrion not consulting her, but I don't know what she can actually do about it. Not sure where Bywaters loyalties will lay.

18. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling.” Varys made this statement. What is your current take on him? Or hasn't it changed.
I don't trust him but I don't dislike him.

19. I wondered briefly about the “sudden plague of holy men” brought forth from the comet (Varys tells Tyrion); then I began to really wonder about them after reading of Theon’s uncle, the priest of the Drowned God, Aeron Greyjoy.
It's like Y2K, the world is going to end...

20. Arya and Bull; think they’ll become allies? Looking at the map, they are not even half way to their destination and Arya is seeing a lot of “scorched earth” from the warring factions; what effect will this have on her?
She just wants to go home. I think they will become friends.

21. Do you think the wolves Arya encountered in the forest knew she was who she was? (That they knew Nymeria and thus recognized her – or just that she was a Stark?)
They recognised something in her. Maybe Nymeria ha carried Ayra's scent and is now the wolf pack leader.

22. What is your take on Davos? Cautious, loyal, trustworthy, wily? Is there a distinction between him as a smuggler and Salladhor Saan as a pirate?
I think he is quite loyal to Stannis. I see smugglers as less violent than pirates, more sneaky.

23. What is your opinion of the whole “Sword of Fire/Red Sword of Heroes” scene? What of Salladhor Saan’s recounting of the tale of Lightbringer?
I think his tale is the true to the legend and shows how the red lady is manipulating things to suit her.

24. King Stannis has burned the Seven gods and put his faith in his “red hawk”. Davos warns him his people will not love him for this. Comments?
People are more likely to rebel against a king they don't love.

25. Theon Greyjoy was getting a blow-job while thinking of his coming crown. A bit arrogant, right?
Ewww. Very.

26. Like Theon, I fear I know which unprotected plum Lord Balon is planning on taking. You?
He hates the Starks, and now Winterfell is just sitting there being ruled by a cripple boy and the Starks no longer hold his son as a hostage. Looks like a ripe plum to me.
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[Mirliz]

Chapter 8 - 11

(view spoiler)[17. Tyrion is flexing his power; think there will be repercussions? If so, from whom? Do you trust Ser Jacelyn Bywater to be loyal to Tyrion? Or to Varys?

There will be if he doesn't take care. I don't think his sister will dare to do anything in person, but he could still be in danger. I don't know about Bywater.

18. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling.” Varys made this statement. What is your current take on him? Or hasn't it changed.

I haven't changed my opinion much about him. I still am very suspicious of him.

20. Arya and Bull; think they’ll become allies? Looking at the map, they are not even half way to their destination and Arya is seeing a lot of “scorched earth” from the warring factions; what effect will this have on her?

I think they will at least become friends. And I also think that she will grow up faster now, and she needs to.

21. Do you think the wolves Arya encountered in the forest knew she was who she was? (That they knew Nymeria and thus recognized her – or just that she was a Stark?)

I'm not sure. Though I hope that Nymeria is around.

22. What is your take on Davos? Cautious, loyal, trustworthy, wily? Is there a distinction between him as a smuggler and Salladhor Saan as a pirate?

He seems very loyal to Stannis. I think that pirates could be more brutal than smugglers.

24. King Stannis has burned the Seven gods and put his faith in his “red hawk”. Davos warns him his people will not love him for this. Comments?

I think Stannis has put himself in a dangerous situation.

25. Theon Greyjoy was getting a blow-job while thinking of his coming crown. A bit arrogant, right?

Yup. I was correct not to particularly like him from the start.

26. Like Theon, I fear I know which unprotected plum Lord Balon is planning on taking. You?

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[Mirliz]

January 15-17: 48 (Daenerys) - 59 (Tyrion)
January 18-20: 40 (Catelyn) - 47 (Eddard)
January 21-23: 60 (Sansa) - 69 (Bran)


Isn't this part of the schedule a bit odd?

[Zonnah]

Mirliz wrote: "I was correct not to particularly like him from the start."

I did not like him from the start either.

[Zonnah]

Chapter 12(Daenerys) - Chapter 15(Thyrion)

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27. Interesting that the comet came into view when the dragons were born. Daenarys sees this as a sign of where she should take her people. Interesting. Any ideas as to how she'll come to be a contender for the throne? What do you think of the three people brought to her by Jhogo?

Not sure how she will become a contender but I just keep imagining her riding a dragon into war. I hope they don't try to steal her dragons; they are all she has left.

28. Finally find out more about Ser Jorah. Do you think his feelings for Daenerys will benefit her or prove to be a problem later?

Well, he is defiantly loyal but not sure if there will be any repercussions from it.

29. Jon and his "brothers" are finding abandoned and empty towns. Forest void of wild life. Anyone thinking we're going to have an interesting night very soon? Where did everyone go? I think they were killed by the ice people (not sure of their names but the ones that come back to life after they die) and then they all came alive to kill others, like zombies. At least this seems to be my understanding of them so far.

30. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Anyone surprised that Yoren didn't let the soldiers in? Why would they kill everyone including the men in black? Do you think they were after Gendry?

Not surprised. He has repeatedly mentioned that they never partake of wars and being of the black gives them a degree of freedom. I think they have been killing everyone in sight and they were the current humans in their line of sight.

31. Do you think Arya will regret helping to free the three men who were shackled in the wagon?

Good question since we don't know if they survived or not. I hope they are dead.

32. Cersei must really have hated Robert. She keeps killing his bastards. Do you think it's because they might make people think her children weren't his, or did she just hate Robert that much that she wanted to wipe all signs of him from the earth?

I think she wanted to wipe out all traces to the fact that her children where not Robert's.

33. What do you think of Littlefinger's plan to have Stannis' daughter's paternity come into question?

Horrible, I feel sorry for the girl when she hears about it.

34. What did you think of the secret passage? I had no idea what Tyrion was up to.

I was not expecting Tyrion to use a passage with his track record with prostitutes. But the passage itself was no surprise since in the first book the boulders were put to death so no one would not everything about the castle.

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[Moderators of NBRC, Challenger-in-Chief]

Mirliz wrote: "Isn't this part of the schedule a bit odd?"

Good Gravy Beans! My apologies again!

This was driving me crazy yesterday and I still managed to mix it up. It has to do with the way the DQs are posted. Anyway, I hope I got it right this time -- and learned from my mistake in post for book #3, as the DQs are posted in different posts for that one.

Unless you all want to move the BREAK day to the 11th?

Reading Schedule:

Date Chapters
January 02-04 Prologue - 11 (Theon)
January 05-08 12 (Daenerys) - 23 (Jon)
January 09-10 24 (Theon) - 35 (Bran)
January 11-13 36 (Tyrion) - 47 (Arya)
January 14 BREAK / CATCH-UP DAY
January 15-17 48 (Daenerys) - 59 (Tyrion)
January 18-20 60 (Sansa) - 69 (Bran)

[Zonnah]

Moderators of Nothing but Reading Challenges (All the Mods) wrote: "Good Gravy Beans!"

Love it.

I am good with the schedule as is but if everyone wants to change it that is great as well. :)

[Erin]

I'm happy with the schedule as is, Thanks!!

Questions Chapter 4 (Bran) - Chapter 7 (Catelyn)
(view spoiler)[9. I gotta ask: What are your theories regarding the wolves howling and Bran's reaction? (it might be childish but I have a feeling it might be important later on?) I agree that they will be important later on but I don't really have a theory but I think it has something to do with his dreams.

10. The dream Bran has when he's supposed to have a dreamless sleep: what is he dreaming as? Is he a dire-wolf? Or is it symbolic of a time to come? Bran's dreams seem also shaman like to me and, going off that theory his spirit seems to mesh with the animals he sees a likeness to (the raven in the first book, the direwolves now). I doubt that will be the reason for them but there seemed to be a foreshadowing about the gods involvement so I think something will definitely come from them.

11. Arya rocks :P. Now we know who Bull was. Wonder how the queen knew? Littlefinger? Varys? Probably Littlefinger...I hate him. I'm excited to see how their friendship/camaraderie unfolds given who they are.

12. Finally we get a little bit history on the King's history. I confess I got lost sometimes. Question is does this information serve any purpose later on? I'm not sure that it does other than to tell us of all the past blood that was shed maybe?


13. Whew, look at the list of demands in the treatise. Its more unbelievable as each item is read. Young as he is, I felt the terms could have been better. What's your thoughts?
It was a terrible treatise, way too unrealistic. However, given Robb's urge to battle I can't help but think it was intentional.

14. Was Robb wise in letting the River lords depart? Maybe he could have granted them a reprieve instead of permanently? I can't help feeling that divided like this is not good.
I don't think Robb made the correct decision for the war they are fighting. But I do understand his need to appease the lords in order to remain on the throne and keep their support.

15. Theon is a wildcard. We will soon be having from his POV (self: no sides!) Do you think his going to his father heralding some thing? Any theories? I do not trust Theon at all. I can't remember exactly why I just remember there being a red flag in the first book, something about switching loyalties or only looking out for themselves or something, sorry I can't exactly remember.

16. Another theory question: Which would you prefer: Robb aligning with Renly or with Stannis or maybe Dany? At this rate, aligning with Renly is the possible solution since I think we are seeing Robb's inexperience with war here.
I would love a Robb/Dany alliance, although that's not very likely currently I hope to see a Stark/Targaryen alliance in the future, mostly just because they are my favourite houses. However, I wouldn't oppose to Robb aligning with Renly, he could definitely use the experience and I'm not a huge Catelyn fan so it would be nice for him to get advice from someone else. (hide spoiler)]

[Renee]

Questions for Chapter 12 (Daenerys) - Chapter 15(Tyrion)
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27. Interesting that the comet came into view when the dragons were born. Daenarys sees this as a sign of where she should take her people. Interesting. Any ideas as to how she'll come to be a contender for the throne? What do you think of the three people brought to her by Jhogo?
They wanted to see the Dragons not help her, so I hope they don't try to take the dragons.

28. Finally find out more about Ser Jorah. Do you think his feelings for Daenerys will benefit her or prove to be a problem later?
I think he will do anything for her.

29. Jon and his "brothers" are finding abandoned and empty towns. Forest void of wild life. Anyone thinking we're going to have an interesting night very soon? Where did everyone go?
Maybe they've all been eaten by the white walkers, or run away.

30. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Anyone surprised that Yoren didn't let the soldiers in? Why would they kill everyone including the men in black? Do you think they were after Gendry?
Yep.

31. Do you think Arya will regret helping to free the three men who were shackled in the wagon?
No, I think th eman who reminded her of her "dancing" instuctor will have some honour, and maybe save her in the future.

32. Cersei must really have hated Robert. She keeps killing his bastards. Do you think it's because they might make people think her children weren't his, or did she just hate Robert that much that she wanted to wipe all signs of him from the earth?
They were of his blood and her children wern't, so if that ever came out, the bastards might become a threat to her.

33. What do you think of Littlefinger's plan to have Stannis' daughter's paternity come into question?
Politics - slander campaign. Don't like it, but that's the way the game is often played.

34. What did you think of the secret passage? I had no idea what Tyrion was up to.
Maybe this is his secret way to meet up with his paid girlfriend.
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[Zonnah]

Erin wrote: "I'm not a huge Catelyn fan"

Just curious :)
Was it because of the way she treated Jon?

[Zonnah]

Renee wrote: "I think th eman who reminded her of her "dancing" instuctor will have some honour, and maybe save her in the future."

Good point, I forgot about the resemblance.

[Zonnah]

Chapters 16 (Bran) - Chapter 19 (Arya)

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35) Thought it was fun that Bran tried to do a little matchmaking between Ser Roderick and Lady Hornwood. He has so much to learn about the way of things. His dream this time recounted what happened to him when he was injured. Do you think he finally remembers everything? Do you think if it's ever revealed what happened that Jaime's fate will change? Any thoughts on what his punishment should be?

I don't think he remembers yet but he will eventually. I don't think there will be a punishment but a death.

36) What medicine/potion do you think Tyrion took from Varys?

A poison?

37) We now know that Tyrion is the one who sent men to look for Arya. What do you think of all the plans he's putting into place?

I think he is a pretty cunning little guy. Not sure if he will be able to out smart everyone though.

38)Do you think Sansa is wise to team up with ser Dontos? Does she have any other options?

No, Dontos seems like a fool to me. I think the hound likes her and is going to help her.

39) The hound makes me nervous when he's around Sansa. Anyone else feeling this way?

I think he loves her in some way.

40)Gah! Arya just can't seem to get a break. Every time I think things have gotten really bad they get worse. Anyone else worried here?

Yes! If it was not for the Mountain that rides I might feel better but he is such a beast.

41) I'm really starting to like Gendry. I like how he called Arya on being a girl. He was funny when he found out she was a lady. Any thoughts/opinions on Gendry?

King maybe?

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[Imke]

Questions for Prologue - Chapter 3 (Tyrion)
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1. A little confusing at the beginning. We're introduced to new characters and I was lost as to who they were. Took a while to figure out where they fit in. Anyone else feel the same way?
Yes I felt the same, and for a prologue it was very long.

2. The comet thought to be Dragon's breath. Comets do tend to symbolize things in literature. I'm guessing it symbolizes the rebirth of the dragons.I'm thinking this is an omen in favor of Daenerys. Anyone else?
I don’t know they all seem to interpret the comet to their own best interest.

3. First impressions of the red lady, Lady Melisandre?
Not to be trusted and very clever.

4, Well, finally we get to meet King Stannis. Initial thoughts? Should he have listened to Cressen?
I don’t like him very much, he seems to wallow in every bad thing that has happened to him and he should have listened to Cressen.

5. Egads! I thought Rhaegar was married! Could he have married Lyanna. Could Jon be their son? Gah!
Maybe, but I don’t think so.

6. Thank goodness Arya is okay. I was sooooo worried. I thought maybe the queen had gotten her paws on her since everyone claimed she had both of the Stark girls. What do you think will happen once they get to the wall? Will they send her home? I'm a little confused on this.
No, I knew she had escaped. I don’t think she wil make it home though, I know this is the plan to drop her off on the way to the wall, but something will happen.

7. Poor Sansa. She's finally gotten it. Poor dear. Any ideas how she'll get out of this fine mess?
She won’t.

8. Still loving Tyrion even though he's a bad guy. Anyone else? Could he be good?
I think he’s a good guy who just happens to behave badly every once in a while. He just looks out for himself.<?i>
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[Mirliz]

Chapter 12-15

(view spoiler)[27. Interesting that the comet came into view when the dragons were born. Daenarys sees this as a sign of where she should take her people. Interesting. Any ideas as to how she'll come to be a contender for the throne? What do you think of the three people brought to her by Jhogo?

I'm very curious. And I hope those people won't harm her.

28. Finally find out more about Ser Jorah. Do you think his feelings for Daenerys will benefit her or prove to be a problem later?

I also think he will do anything for her.

29. Jon and his "brothers" are finding abandoned and empty towns. Forest void of wild life. Anyone thinking we're going to have an interesting night very soon? Where did everyone go?

It will indeed be interesting to see what happens to them.

30. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Anyone surprised that Yoren didn't let the soldiers in? Why would they kill everyone including the men in black? Do you think they were after Gendry?

Not surprised. And they probably were.

31. Do you think Arya will regret helping to free the three men who were shackled in the wagon?

I hope not.

32. Cersei must really have hated Robert. She keeps killing his bastards. Do you think it's because they might make people think her children weren't his, or did she just hate Robert that much that she wanted to wipe all signs of him from the earth?

I think she's just afraid of what would happen to her and her children if anyone found out the truth.

33. What do you think of Littlefinger's plan to have Stannis' daughter's paternity come into question?

An ugly plan, of course, but I guess it will work out the way they want it to.

34. What did you think of the secret passage? I had no idea what Tyrion was up to.

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[Zonnah]

Chapter 20 Tyrion - Chapter 23 Jon

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42. I wish Tyrion could be king. He knows exactly what to do in situations and this chapter gives more evidence of this. Did you know who the "informer" was immediately when Cersei mentioned Myrcella? Did you feel sad for Cersei at all when she began to cry and Tyrion tried to comfort her? I felt more for Tyrion. It seems like he has much to give , but his family just doesn't see it.
Best line:"The longer Cersei waits, the angrier she'll become, and anger makes her stupid. I much prefer angry and stupid to compose and cunning." I have to agree with Tyrion on that one.

Honestly, I am still getting confused with all the characters, so no I did not know who the informer was immediately. I in no way felt sorry for Cersei. She has done way to many horrible things for me to feel sorry for her.

43. What was your first impression of Jojen & Meera? What did you think of the oath they gave, do you think it had any real meaning or just words they memorized?

My first impression was extreme curiosity and wish more was said about them. I am thinking real meaning.

44. Why do you think Jojen wants to see the direwolves so much? Do you think his sister has the same kind of connection with the direwolves? Do you think Bran, Jojen and the wolves are all connected?

Not sure but something is happening with them and the wolves because at the end of the Bran chapter had one of his dreams as Summer and those two were there petting her.

45. What was your first impression when Catelyn approach Lord Renly's little "party"? Her thoughts pretty much summed it up for me: "They are boys drunk on song and story..."

Frivolous.

46. What do you think of Brienne? Will she play an important role in the story? Do you feel the tiniest bit sorry for her? Her character reminds me a little bit of "Jane" from the HBO show Deadwood. Real tough on the outside, but there's something about her that makes me feel sad for her.

Something will happen since she has become one of the rainbow guards to the king. Not sue if it will be good or bad though.

47. "King is only a word, but fealty, loyalty, service..those I must have" Should Robb join Renly? I don't think Renly had any of those for his brother, so I think it's funny he's asking that of Robb.

I do like the saying but still don't think he should join Renly.

48. What is up with all the incest in the book. Craster makes me sick. I cringed when he said "I'm a godly man, and the Gods keep me safe.." Do you think Sam did the right think sending Gilly to Jon? Do you think Jon should have done something for Gilly?

This part made me really think. Why did the author make such a big issue about her? What did it add to the story? The only thing I could come up with is we will be seeing her again and maybe we will know why she was a big part of that chapter.

Craster is disgusting!

49. Who do you think the Cold Gods, white shadows are? Do you think they eat the children Craster gives them or raises them?

Kill them and then they come back to life as cold gods?

50. I'm getting a bad feeling about Sam. Anyone else think something bad is gonna happen to him?

I did not get that impression but I hope not; I like him.

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[Zonnah]

Imke wrote: " wallow in every bad thing that has happened to him"

That is a good way of putting it. When I read it I was thinking that explains him perfectly.

[Zonnah]

Mirliz wrote: "It made me wonder how many other secret passages there are around the city"

It made me wonder the same thing and how it will come into play in the story line.

[Erin]

Zonnah wrote: "Erin wrote: "I'm not a huge Catelyn fan"

Just curious :)
Was it because of the way she treated Jon?"

It does have a fair bit to do with Jon, I will admit I'm biased towards him. But it's a bit more than that, in GOT she acted way too irrationally and it had awful consequences for her family, I just don't think she's logical enough to rule. She acts on a whim and lets her emotions control her decisions and it rarely works. I also just find her chapters slightly dull

To be fair to her though, she does have good intentions and her emotions are fair, I would just like her to be a bit more calculating I guess, given the current situation of Westeros.

[Zonnah]

Erin wrote: "I also just find her chapters slightly dull"

Lol, I agree with you they are a bit dull.

[Steven]

I totally agree. I strongly dislike Catelyn. At first, it was because one of the first things we see about her is that she takes out Ned's betrayal on Jon, the innocent party. Then she makes rash decision after rash decision, always leaning towards emotion, and ignores most of her family throughout what I've read of the first two books.

[Erin]

Steven wrote: "I totally agree. I strongly dislike Catelyn. At first, it was because one of the first things we see about her is that she takes out Ned's betrayal on Jon, the innocent party. Then she makes ras..."

Yeah exactly, I just find her way too irrational and to be honest slightly childish.

[Imke]

Vi’s Questions Chapter 4 (Bran) - Chapter 7 (Catelyn)
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9. I gotta ask: What are your theories regarding the wolves howling and Bran's reaction? (it might be childish but I have a feeling it might be important later on?)
I loved reading that bit. I think the wolves are sensing that something is coming.

10. The dream Bran has when he's supposed to have a dreamless sleep: what is he dreaming as? Is he a dire-wolf? Or is it symbolic of a time to come?
I think he is a dire-wolf, more specifically I think he is Summer. But it is also a sign of powers that he is developing.

11. Arya rocks :P. Now we know who Bull was. Wonder how the queen knew? Littlefinger? Varys?
I don’t know how she knew, she probably has a lot of spies, maybe Littlefinger. I don’t think it’s Varys.

12. Finally we get a little bit history on the King's history. I confess I got lost sometimes. Question is does this information serve any purpose later on?
It probably does, mainly in determining who might be an ancestor of the old kings besides Dany.

13. Whew, look at the list of demands in the treatise. Its more unbelievable as each item is read. Young as he is, I felt the terms could have been better. What's your thoughts?
I don’t know the terms seemed fair too me. They will not be accepted anyway.

14. Was Robb wise in letting the River lords depart? Maybe he could have granted them a reprieve instead of permanently? I can't help feeling that divided like this is not good.
No, he needs every lord he has. And by sending them away he has lost allies.

15. Theon is a wildcard. We will soon be having from his POV (self: no sides!) Do you think his going to his father heralding some thing? Any theories?
Robb shouldn’t let him go, I don’t think he can be trusted. He seems arrogant. I’m afraid he will turn traitor.

16. Another theory question: Which would you prefer: Robb aligning with Renly or with Stannis or maybe Dany? At this rate, aligning with Renly is the possible solution since I think we are seeing Robb's inexperience with war here.
I’m not sure if he should align himself with anyone. He needs a good advisor.
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[Erin]

Questions Chapter 8 (Tyrion) - Chapter 11 (Theon)

(view spoiler)[ 17. Tyrion is flexing his power; think there will be repercussions? If so, from whom? Do you trust Ser Jacelyn Bywater to be loyal to Tyrion? Or to Varys?
I think Cersei will probably be pissed and I'm not sure about Bywater but Varys is pretty clear that his loyalty is not with people but with the state.

18. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling.” Varys made this statement. What is your current take on him? Or hasn't it changed.
My take hasn't changed. I don't trust him but I do like him as a character

19. I wondered briefly about the “sudden plague of holy men” brought forth from the comet (Varys tells Tyrion); then I began to really wonder about them after reading of Theon’s uncle, the priest of the Drowned God, Aeron Greyjoy.
Yeah they seem to be coming out of the woodwork

20. Arya and Bull; think they’ll become allies? Looking at the map, they are not even half way to their destination and Arya is seeing a lot of “scorched earth” from the warring factions; what effect will this have on her?
I think they will become allies. Since she is young I imagine these sights will effect her at least somewhat.

21. Do you think the wolves Arya encountered in the forest knew she was who she was? (That they knew Nymeria and thus recognized her – or just that she was a Stark?)
I definitely think they recognized her someway, possibly sent? or maybe it is just that she is a stark and that they have a connection with direwolves and therefore wolves.

22. What is your take on Davos? Cautious, loyal, trustworthy, wily? Is there a distinction between him as a smuggler and Salladhor Saan as a pirate?
He seems extremely loyal to Stannis. I see pirates as more violent, causing chaos for no reason whereas smugglers are just trying to make a buck.

23. What is your opinion of the whole “Sword of Fire/Red Sword of Heroes” scene? What of Salladhor Saan’s recounting of the tale of Lightbringer?
To me Saan is just showing how the red lady is manipulating everyone.

24. King Stannis has burned the Seven gods and put his faith in his “red hawk”. Davos warns him his people will not love him for this. Comments?
I think Dacos is right, but i also think that Stannis doesn't care. He doesn't want love he wants a kingdom and a crown.

25. Theon Greyjoy was getting a blow-job while thinking of his coming crown. A bit arrogant, right?
Theon is the worst. I don't like him at all, he is way too arrogant.

26. Like Theon, I fear I know which unprotected plum Lord Balon is planning on taking. You?
It will most likely be Winterfell (hide spoiler)]

[Renee]

Questions for Chapters 16 (Bran) - Chapter 19 (Arya)
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35) Thought it was fun that Bran tried to do a little matchmaking between Ser Roderick and Lady Hornwood. He has so much to learn about the way of things. His dream this time recounted what happened to him when he was injured. Do you think he finally remembers everything? Do you think if it's ever revealed what happened that Jaime's fate will change? Any thoughts on what his punishment should be?
The three eyed crow pecked Bran's forehead and opened his third eye, then I think he remembered everything. Bran may be the proof that Stannis needs to give credit to his claim. Not sure how it will affect Jaime.

36) What medicine/potion do you think Tyrion took from Varys?
Not sure. Nothing too valuble or he would notice.

37) We now know that Tyrion is the one who sent men to look for Arya. What do you think of all the plans he's putting into place?
Cersei seems to be focussing of armour, swords, fire thingies to fight the enemy outside the city walls. Tyrion seems to realise that you also need to care for the people inside the city walls, or they may revolt or just let the enemy in.

38)Do you think Sansa is wise to team up with ser Dontos? Does she have any other options?
She doesn't really have any other options. He wanted to help her because she saved him from being killed. Didn't work out anyway, but I don't think he will turn her in for trying to escape with him.

39) The hound makes me nervous when he's around Sansa. Anyone else feeling this way?
He's just a bit scary all the time. He does his duty, but I don't think he likes Joffrey either.

40)Gah! Arya just can't seem to get a break. Every time I think things have gotten really bad they get worse. Anyone else worried here?
Ayra is too likeable a character, they can't kill her off! I hope.....

41) I'm really starting to like Gendry. I like how he called Arya on being a girl. He was funny when he found out she was a lady. Any thoughts/opinions on Gendry?
Made me smile too. I like him. He was probably trying to be chivalrous and protect Ayra when he got caught.
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I'm off on holidays for a couple of weeks, not sure what internet I'll have, so may not keep up with the questions, but will keep reading.

[Erin]

Enjoy your holidays Renee!!

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[Logan]

Steven wrote: "I totally agree. I strongly dislike Catelyn. At first, it was because one of the first things we see about her is that she takes out Ned's betrayal on Jon, the innocent party. Then she makes ras..."

I agree that in the books I like Catelyn waaaay less than in the show. It's interesting that they seemed to make a deliberate decision to make her more sympathetic.

I'm terribly behind on this reading, but from my bookmark where I left off on this last January (gulps sheepishly) I made it page 290 or so. I may just skim the beginning that I already covered once and jump in on the later questions. I need more days in January! :)

[Imke]

Questions Chapter 8 (Tyrion) - Chapter 11 (Theon)
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17. Tyrion is flexing his power; think there will be repercussions? If so, from whom? Do you trust Ser Jacelyn Bywater to be loyal to Tyrion? Or to Varys?
I think Ser Jacelyn will be loyal to Tyrion. Varys not so much.

18. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling.” Varys made this statement. What is your current take on him? Or hasn't it changed.
It hasn’t changed, I think Varys looks out for Varys and plays the political game very well.

19. I wondered briefly about the “sudden plague of holy men” brought forth from the comet (Varys tells Tyrion); then I began to really wonder about them after reading of Theon’s uncle, the priest of the Drowned God, Aeron Greyjoy.

20. Arya and Bull; think they’ll become allies? Looking at the map, they are not even half way to their destination and Arya is seeing a lot of “scorched earth” from the warring factions; what effect will this have on her?
Think so too. She’s already getting afraid, which I think might be a good thing. She’s more alert and she is starting to trust in some of her companions.

21. Do you think the wolves Arya encountered in the forest knew she was who she was? (That they knew Nymeria and thus recognized her – or just that she was a Stark?)
Yes maybe, they didn’t attack her as they did others. I think it has something to do with Nymeria.

22. What is your take on Davos? Cautious, loyal, trustworthy, wily? Is there a distinction between him as a smuggler and Salladhor Saan as a pirate?
I like him, he has principles and is smart. Maybe the distinction is that as a smuggler you have to be smart and think ahead and be wily, a pirate is more direct and takes more risks.

23. What is your opinion of the whole “Sword of Fire/Red Sword of Heroes” scene? What of Salladhor Saan’s recounting of the tale of Lightbringer?
To point out that Stannis is being fooled by the red lady.

24. King Stannis has burned the Seven gods and put his faith in his “red hawk”. Davos warns him his people will not love him for this. Comments?
He’s correct in this.

25. Theon Greyjoy was getting a blow-job while thinking of his coming crown. A bit arrogant, right?
Yes arrogant and foolisch.

26. Like Theon, I fear I know which unprotected plum Lord Balon is planning on taking. You?
Nope
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[Teresa]

I am trying to catch up on the questions after a busy first week of January. I am going to start with the last chunk and just move forward from there.

Questions for Chapter 12(Daenerys) - Chapter 15(Thyrion)


(view spoiler)[27. Interesting that the comet came into view when the dragons were born. Daenarys sees this as a sign of where she should take her people. Interesting. Any ideas as to how she'll come to be a contender for the throne? What do you think of the three people brought to her by Jhogo?
I think that it makes sense at this point for her to return to the seven kingdoms. There is nothing holding her at this point. I wonder if she will be a contender by aligning – even marrying – one of the current contenders? Robb perhaps?

28. Finally find out more about Ser Jorah. Do you think his feelings for Daenerys will benefit her or prove to be a problem later?
I think they will benefit her because he does not seem to have any false hopes. But, she will need to manage the situation moving forward.

29. Jon and his "brothers" are finding abandoned and empty towns. Forest void of wild life. Anyone thinking we're going to have an interesting night very soon? Where did everyone go?
I think things will get ugly for Jon very soon. But, I am hoping they will find the children in the forest or his Uncle along the way.

30. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Anyone surprised that Yoren didn't let the soldiers in? Why would they kill everyone including the men in black? Do you think they were after Gendry?
I was not surprised Yoren kept them out. Even if he let them in, there would have been a similar result, I think. I don’t know that they were even realized Gendry was there, but there seems to be a slash and burn mentality based on comments from people they have met on the road. There is a level of chaos that the men in black cannot avoid.

31. Do you think Arya will regret helping to free the three men who were shackled in the wagon?
I don’t think so. I thought it was entirely in her character to do this, and at least one may pay her back in kind at some point.

32. Cersei must really have hated Robert. She keeps killing his bastards. Do you think it's because they might make people think her children weren't his, or did she just hate Robert that much that she wanted to wipe all signs of him from the earth?
I think she is trying to eliminate any threat to Joffrey. This could come by showing him as a product of incest, or people could decide the bastards have more of a claim than Joffrey, who was not even his son.

33. What do you think of Littlefinger's plan to have Stannis' daughter's paternity come into question?
Sick, but smart.

34. What did you think of the secret passage? I had no idea what Tyrion was up to.
His chapters always entertain me! I was actually relieved to see he was fully plugged into the royal intrigue, because I think he needs to be for his own sake… (hide spoiler)]

[Teresa]

Questions for Chapters 16 (Bran) - Chapter 19 (Arya)


(view spoiler)[35) Thought it was fun that Bran tried to do a little matchmaking between Ser Roderick and Lady Hornwood. He has so much to learn about the way of things. His dream this time recounted what happened to him when he was injured. Do you think he finally remembers everything? Do you think if it's ever revealed what happened that Jaime's fate will change? Any thoughts on what his punishment should be?
I think he is certainly remembering enough to start piecing together the dangers that the Lannisters pose. And perhaps giving him so ammunition against them…

36) What medicine/potion do you think Tyrion took from Varys?
I have no idea.

37) We now know that Tyrion is the one who sent men to look for Arya. What do you think of all the plans he's putting into place?
I think this is smart. He is trying to get Arya in order to trade her for Jaime. While I think that his plans are more clever than some of the other players in the royal intrigue, I just don’t think all the plotting ever pans out. Too many moving parts that can topple any plan.

38)Do you think Sansa is wise to team up with ser Dontos? Does she have any other options?
I think this is her best option. Although, I still think the king’s Hound will eventually be willing to help her as well.

39) The hound makes me nervous when he's around Sansa. Anyone else feeling this way?
That’s funny, because I have the opposite feeling. I think that he will ultimately be loyal to her over the Lannisters.

40)Gah! Arya just can't seem to get a break. Every time I think things have gotten really bad they get worse. Anyone else worried here?
I am always worried about Arya. She does seem to stumble into trouble with her headlong rush into the world. But, this is also I think why I like her so much.

41) I'm really starting to like Gendry. I like how he called Arya on being a girl. He was funny when he found out she was a lady. Any thoughts/opinions on Gendry?
I also really like Gendry. I think he will be very loyal to Arya as well, and is smart enough to help her get out of a fix. Hopefully this latest one as well. (hide spoiler)]

[Zonnah]

Questions for Chapter 24 (Theon) - Chapter 27 (Daenerys)

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51. Did you suspect something was up with Esgred’s identity before the big reveal? What is your take on her? Do you like her or not?

Nope. I had to reread that part just to make sure I understood correctly. Not really a fan, mainly because she kept fondling her brother, so weird.

52. Do you think Theon and Asha’s relationship will develop into an incestuous one?

I hope not but the way the books are you never know.

53. Do you feel any sympathy for Theon whatsoever? After all, it wasn’t his fault he was held hostage for ten years. Do you think he will be able to “prove” himself? At what cost to his friendship with King Robb?

It is unfair that they are treating him like that but it does not make me feel sorry for him. I don't see a happy future for him on either side.

54. Are you clear on what “plum” Lord Balon Greyjoy plans to steal?

Lol, no. I am still getting places mixed up. So many places and names to remember. I will defiantly have to reread these books again because I am sure there is a lot of stuff that is going over my head.

55. How poisoned do you think Cersei is? Will Tyrion do it again? Or will he use something different next time?

I just think he made her have diarrhea and I can defiantly see him doing it again.

56. Did Tyrion make any missteps in his dealings with Ser Cleos Frey cum King Robb? How about with Ser Allister? And Littlefinger?

I don't think so with ser Cleos or Ser Allister but with Littlefinger I see him trying to get even with Tyrion for what he just did to him.

57. Sorry to say I had to read the pertinent parts twice; however, am I right in thinking Tyrion is going to do a variation of the “Trojan Horse” trick to get into Winterfell? Are Tyrion's long “chains” going to be used there or somewhere else? (Before, I was thinking to block the ships from entering the harbor of King's Landing, but what do I know?)

Sounds like a Tojan Horse to me. I have no idea what that chain is for.

58. So, Queen Regent Cersei, Varys, and Grand Maester Pycelle all say they didn’t poison Lord Arryn. It is looking more and more as if the Nut Bunny did do it! Does this change anything in your perceptions about these three?

Nut bunny? Who is that, LOL. But the fact that they did not do it has not changed my opinion of them.

59. Man-oh-man! I am NOT liking where Arya "Weasel" is right now. I am, however, loving her prayer list, LOL! You?

I was just happy she will not be right in front of the Lords that might recognize her. Love her prayers as well.

60. Okay, I’ll admit I was a little lost and had to look in the appendix. Are Xaro Xhoan Daxos (merchant prince of Qarth), Pyat Pree (Qarth warlock) and Quaithe (shadowbinder of Asshai) the three that showed up to see the dragons, right? What is your take on them? If they have something sinister planned, are they in it together or separately? Are you glad Dany learned her lesson with Mirri Maz Duur?

I think they are the ones that showed up. I don't know if they have something planned but I would not be trusting anyone if I had something so precious as the only existing dragons! Dealing with Mirri Maz Duur at least taught her not to trust everyone.

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[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "There is a level of chaos that the men in black cannot avoid."

True. I just wish they could avoid it.

[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "Too many moving parts that can topple any plan."

I feel like things will start falling apart soon because of this. Which makes me sad because I am starting to like Tyrion.
It took a little bit for that to happen; I was unsure for so long.

[Teresa]

Zonnah wrote: "Teresa wrote: "There is a level of chaos that the men in black cannot avoid."

True. I just wish they could avoid it."

I agree. There is a reason that they men in black have been above the royal squables all along - they are protecting all the kingdoms from something much larger than what the squables represent.

I may now be picturing the men in black riding through the streets calling, "The zombies are coming. The zombies are comming." lol.

[Imke]

Questions for Chapter 12 (Daenerys) - Chapter 15(Thyrion)
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27. Interesting that the comet came into view when the dragons were born. Daenarys sees this as a sign of where she should take her people. Interesting. Any ideas as to how she'll come to be a contender for the throne? What do you think of the three people brought to her by Jhogo?
She’ll collect her strength and more people first and then she’ll go to westernos. I don’t know what to think of the three brought by Jhogo.

28. Finally find out more about Ser Jorah. Do you think his feelings for Daenerys will benefit her or prove to be a problem later?
They will benefit her at first, but they will become a problem later. He’ll probably has expectations.

29. Jon and his "brothers" are finding abandoned and empty towns. Forest void of wild life. Anyone thinking we're going to have an interesting night very soon? Where did everyone go?
Definitely an interesting night is coming. Part of the people have probably fled, but some may have fallen victim at the hands of the Others.

30. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Anyone surprised that Yoren didn't let the soldiers in? Why would they kill everyone including the men in black? Do you think they were after Gendry?
No I’m not surprised that he didn’t let them in. Those soldiers are not trustworthy and they would have probably been killed if he did let them in. I don’t think they were after Gendry, those soldiers were from Tywin Lannister I think.

31. Do you think Arya will regret helping to free the three men who were shackled in the wagon?
Maybe later on she will, but for now I think she did the right thing.

32. Cersei must really have hated Robert. She keeps killing his bastards. Do you think it's because they might make people think her children weren't his, or did she just hate Robert that much that she wanted to wipe all signs of him from the earth?
She wants to wipe out contenders to Joffry’s throne and maybe hide the fact that her children are not from Robert.

33. What do you think of Littlefinger's plan to have Stannis' daughter's paternity come into question?
He’s very devious.

34. What did you think of the secret passage? I had no idea what Tyrion was up to.
Smart, if he wanted to keep seeing Shae, he needed to find a way to sneak out.
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[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "I may now be picturing the men in black riding through the streets calling, "The zombies are coming. The zombies are comming." lol."

Lol :-)

[Zonnah]

Chapter 28 (Bran) through Chapter 31 (Catelyn)

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61. What do you think about Bran and Jojen both dreaming about 3-eyed crows? What does the crow represent?

Not sure and have no idea.

62. So, Bran still isn’t sure if he is remembering his fall or merely dreaming about it. What do you think Bran will do if/when he realizes for sure that Jaime Lanniser pushed him off the tower?

Join Robb in fighting maybe with his dreams.

63. Why did the direwolves not listen to Bran when he tried calling them off of Jojen and Meera?

Maybe because he was still mad and they new it. Also, he probably has to believe it himself to really control them.

64. So now Cersei is sleeping with her cousin Lancel. (What is worse, that he’s her cousin or that he’s a teenager?) Do you believe that Lancel will report Cersei’s actions to Tyrion?

Both are bad, imo. Yes.

65. Now we know that Tyrion pretends to go to the brothel so that he can visit Shae. Why is it acceptable for him to go to the brothel but not keep a mistress, especially considering he doesn’t have a wife? Is visiting Shae the only reason for the pretense, or do you think he’s up to something else on other nights?

I think it is to protect her. If people knew they would use her to gt to Tyrion.

66. So, the “three in the cage” survived the fire after all. Were you surprised that Jaqen approached Arya and pledged three lives to her? Were you happy that she found an ally of sorts? Why do you suppose Arya chose Chiswyck as the first victim instead of the Mountain? Where is Gendry (did I miss something)?

Not surprised he did seem the most friendly out of the bunch. I was surprised by Chiswyck as the first pick and wish I knew why. Gendry is currently at the forge.

67. Does Catelyn believe that Cersei’s children are Jaime’s?

I think she will once she starts putting two and two together.

68. The bickering between Stannis and Renly is almost comical, but the situation is so serious! At least Stannis seemed less zombie-esque in this chapter. He does have the right to the throne, so if Renly loses to him, will Stannis execute his brother for a traitor? This is where I want to say, “Can’t we all just get along?”

I did not even think about one living; I just assumed one would die. Oh dear, the plot thickens.

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[Zonnah]

Chapter 32 (Sansa) – Chapter 35 (Bran)

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69. Oh, Sansa, I am so afraid for you! I loved how Tyrion defended her. Even so, it doesn’t appear that Sansa trusts Tyrion. Is she right not to?

I think he wants his brother back and knows that won't happen if she is hurt or dead but as to him just giving her back not sure.

70. Where is Barriston Selmy? I think it would be interesting if he somehow went over to Dany’s side.

I was wondering if that is where he went as well.

71. What the heck happened to Renly? Did someone stab him from outside the tent? Or was it really the Red Lady’s magic?

I am thinking the red lady. Magic is starting to come back.

72. I really wish Robb would drop the King of the North claim. What are his chances against Stannis and his “sorcery”?

Unless he is going to side with Dany.

73. Ghost leads Jon to a cache of buried weapons. Do you think the cloak belongs to his Uncle Ben? Did Ben bury the items or is a darker force at work?

I am clueless about this one.

74. The young Walders aren’t too upset about their uncle’s death. What does this say about them? Do you think their entire family is coldhearted?

They just might be.

75. Jojen says the greendreams do not lie and nothing can change their outcome. He dreams of the sea overtaking Winterfell. Does this foreshadow a victory for Theon Greyjoy and his family who follow the Drowned God? I am REALLY afraid for Bran and Rickon! I am really mad at Robb for leaving Winterfell undefended. Very tense here!

Ditto to everything you said.

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[Zonnah]

Chapter 36 (Tyrion) – Chapter 39 (Catelyn)

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76. Margaery Tyrell as King Joffrey’s queen? (She’s technically his aunt. Ugh, still with the incest theme.) Now how are they going to negotiate that when she is so recently a widow? Where does that leave Sansa’s fate?

I feel sorry for Margaery she won't be treated any better and as for Sansa, hopefully, Tyrion will watch over her.

77. Is Cersei in denial about her son’s sexual appetite?

Lol, yes. You think she wouldn't be with how she is.

78. Are you thinking like Tyrion and wondering at Cersei’s sudden affection, and the implications of what she could be up to? Or do you think she is a) attracted to Tyrion’s handling of power; or b) becoming fond of him.

Something is up. I would not be trusting her.

79. Obviously Eddard Stark left his mark on what little conscience Theon has, as he has to suppress it. Think this will keep happening?

Yes, I dreading the attack on Winterfell.

80. What deed do you believe Theon wants to accomplish so as to prove himself to his father and insure his name in songs?

Take Winterfell.

81. Will Arya/Weasel finally come across a message that will be of use to her side?

I wish she could just get back to safety, maybe through a message.

82. Yet another “prayer-wish” wasted; do you think Arya/Weasel will be so frivolous with the last one?

I hope not. I thought she would have had the one that has needle killed first so she could have her sword back.

83. Do you think Catelyn has become wiser after all her travels and travails? Do you like her more or less than you did at the beginning of this saga?

I think she is the same.

84. Were you surprised Brienne of Tarth pledged her sword and service to Catelyn?

Nope. I think she will be saving her son in the future.

85. Do you think King Robb “mind-melded” with Grey Wolf in order to sneak into Stafford Lannister’s holdings? Do you think he fed Lannister’s heart to his direwolf? Or possible remained “mind-melded” to Grey Wolf while he ate it himself?

I did not think about that. Although, Jon does not mind meld with his direwolf and it leads him around. I don't think he ripped his hear out and then fed it to the wolf. I think the wolf just eat it on his own.

86. Now, if I’ve got this right, in order for Edmure Tully’s plan to work, he will take even more men from Winterfell. Comments.

Scared.

87. Who is “that stripling…wretched boy…” that Lord Hoster Tully, Catelyn’s father, spoke of when he thought she was Lysa? Will there be a second chance for that relationship now that Lady Lysa Arreyn is an eligible widow?

I have no idea.

88. Will Lord Eddard Stark’s bones make it back to Winterfell to be safely entombed?

Maybe at the end of the book after the war. That is if the war is over at the end of the book, lol.
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[Teresa]

Chapter 20 Tyrion - Chapter 23 Jon

(view spoiler)[42. I wish Tyrion could be king. He knows exactly what to do in situations and this chapter gives more evidence of this. Did you know who the "informer" was immediately when Cersei mentioned Myrcella? Did you feel sad for Cersei at all when she began to cry and Tyrion tried to comfort her? I felt more for Tyrion. It seems like he has much to give , but his family just doesn't see it.
Best line:
"The longer Cersei waits, the angrier she'll become, and anger makes her stupid. I much prefer angry and stupid to compose and cunning." I have to agree with Tyrion on that one.
I definitely had more sympathy for Tyrion, even when Cersei was crying. And I do think that an angry Cersei is better than a cunning one.

43. What was your first impression of Jojen & Meera? What did you think of the oath they gave, do you think it had any real meaning or just words they memorized?
I think the words were memorized, but could work out to have meaning as well. I think that again the direwolves and the Start family could be the link or connection to these outlying people and events. So, I think they could ultimately align with Bran.

44. Why do you think Jojen wants to see the direwolves so much? Do you think his sister has the same kind of connection with the direwolves? Do you think Bran, Jojen and the wolves are all connected?
See answer to #43. In a word, yes. I had not noticed a difference between the connection of Jojen or Meera. I just read it as them having different strategies of how to move forward.

45. What was your first impression when Catelyn approach Lord Renly's little "party"? Her thoughts pretty much summed it up for me: "They are boys drunk on song and story..."
There is a flavor of playing at war in the fight for the crown. I think it is summed up by Renly having a tourney in the middle of a war.

46. What do you think of Brienne? Will she play an important role in the story? Do you feel the tiniest bit sorry for her? Her character reminds me a little bit of "Jane" from the HBO show Deadwood. Real tough on the outside, but there's something about her that makes me feel sad for her.
I think she must end up being important. I don’t know that it will be a force for good. I didn’t like how she reacted to Catelyn walking off with Renly, or the overly protective or fervent loyalty – I think it will lead her to making bad decisions.

47. "King is only a word, but fealty, loyalty, service..those I must have" Should Robb join Renly? I don't think Renly had any of those for his brother, so I think it's funny he's asking that of Robb.
I think in his way Renly did support Robert. At least he was trying to support him. Robb definitely needs to join with someone, and Renly may be the most reasonable of them all. I also don’t think that Robb would necessarily make a good king in the same way that Robert may have been a good man, but did not make a good king.

48. What is up with all the incest in the book. Craster makes me sick. I cringed when he said "I'm a godly man, and the Gods keep me safe.." Do you think Sam did the right think sending Gilly to Jon? Do you think Jon should have done something for Gilly?
I think Sam did the right thing, but Jon could not do anything more than he did. He couldn’t really just bring her along with the large group of men. Now, I do think the Cold Gods will have to be dealt with. And yes, Craster is yick on every level.

49. Who do you think the Cold Gods, white shadows are? Do you think they eat the children Craster gives them or raises them?
I think these are the zombies. I would assume the children are coming to a bad end. But, perhaps at least some become the children of the forest. The ones that get away?

50. I'm getting a bad feeling about Sam. Anyone else think something bad is gonna happen to him?
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48. Do you think Sam did the right think sending Gilly to Jon? Do you think Jon should have done something for Gilly?

This part made me really think. Why did the author make such a big issue about her? What did it add to the story? The only thing I could come up with is we will be seeing her again ...

That is a good point. I am a little worried that Sam will find his courage fighting for her later, and not to a good end for him.

[Zonnah]

Teresa wrote: "That is a good point. I am a little worried that Sam will find his courage fighting for her later, and not to a good end for him. "

I hope not but you are probably right with how the book is going.

And you said it. Teresa wrote: "Martin does not seem shy in killing off the main characters"

[Zonnah]

Chapter 40 (Daenerys) - Chapter 43 (Jon)

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89. Thoughts on Xaro's proposal? Think Ser Jorah is right about why he wants to wed Daenerys or is there more to it? The boys around him do seem to give Ser Jorah's theory validity.

He is right.

90. What did you think of the warning that Daenerys should leave the city?

I think she should do it. It does not seem like they want to help her anyways.

91. Do you think it wise to send Myrcella away? Could she be safer or heading to her death?

Safer with how there is so much turmoil going on in the keep.

92. The Lannisters are definitely not loved. I just about died laughing when someone screamed Brotherf@cker. I don't know why but I just found that hilarious. Do I have a warped sense of humor or did anyone else find this funny?

Not really funny just really fitting.

93. Was saddened that the girl was raped, but happy Sansa came out of it okay. Thoughts of Tyrions attack on his nephew? I just kept trying to picture the height difference. A thirteen year old boy can be quite tall.

I was surprised that it did not happen earlier. I was thinking the same thing while reading it and was happy when he knocked him down it just seemed easier to imagine, lol.

94. Tyrion seemed quite upset that people were blaming him for everything when he was trying to fix things. Do you think he may have his nephew assassinated?

No, he seemed to really not like that thought.

95. Did I miss something? What are the chains Tyrion is having made for? They mentioned them at some point for a second time and I'm clueless.

Ditto

96. Anyone else kind of grossed out by the shadow baby birth? WTH was that? Must admit I did like the argument about good, evil, and gray.

That did shock me. I am thinking that the shadow was a copy of Stannis. I hoping that they did not have to have sex to make it.

97. Do you think Davos will be allowed to live after what he saw?

Yes, I don't think he will be staying by Stannis's side much longer though.

98. Any thoughts on Renly's peach speach? lol It rhymed.

Nope

99. Should Jon stay or should he go? His wolf didn't seem to like where he was do you think that is a sign?

Yes, and I am happy he is going. If only for the fact that his chapters were starting to get a bit boring.

100. Was anyone else worried that the Others were coming? What do you make of the attack?

Yes, I was thinking that that was the power sourch mance is looking for.

101. Do you think the horn may be used to call something that will help defeat the others? Maybe the children of the forest? I think that was what they were called.

But it is chipped so not sure.

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Chapter 44 (Tyrion) - Chapter 47(Ayra)

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102. Cersei didn't like Tyrion attacking her son. Now she's set on getting Tommen to safety. Kind of interesting don't you think>

Not really, bound to happen when you start to see all your other children beaten or sent off.

103. Interesting that at one time Tyrion thought of killing his sister, but now sees killing kin a terrible thing.

I don't remember when he thought of killing her? Could someone remind me. Lol, so much to remember.

104. Do you think there is a connection between the mysterious Jaqen and the guy who took Varys' manhood?

I did not think about that. Hmmm.....

105. What a horrible story Vary had to tell. To have that happen at such an early age. Now we know why he's good at changing his appearance.

Yep, explains a lot.

106. Do you think Varys and Tyrion have bonded? Can they trust each other?

I don think they have gotten closer but I don't think they should trust one another.

107. Do you think Tyrion telling Shae about his wife will come back to bite him in the butt?

I don't really think it is the fact that he told her the story but that she is starting to get greedy.

108. Does anyone else feel Shae is going to betray him in a major way?

Yep.

109. Now Catelyn must wonder what happened to Ayra. She definitely has much to fear.

I don't know. She never really mentions her specifically when she is talking about her children.

110. Looks like the green dream is going to come true. Now we know what Theon was up to. Anyone surprised? Do you think his father will be happy?

I expected it but I do not think his father will be happy. He did disobey orders.

111. Okay, I have to say I like Jaqen, but now Ayra owes him a death? That is what he meant right? He would have taken her with him? Any thought on Jaqen?

I did not catch that.... I think I will need to reread that part. He is an interesting character I would love to learn more about him.

112. Do you think it was wise of Arya to not reveal her identity?

Yes, because something does not seem right yet. I am still scared for her.

113. What happened to Littlefinger? Do you think it was wrong of Tyrion to give him the documents he did with the seal? Could he misuse them?

I was wondering the same thing. It did give him control to make whatever arrangements he wanted.

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Questions for Chapters 16 (Bran) - Chapter 19 (Arya)
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35) Thought it was fun that Bran tried to do a little matchmaking between Ser Roderick and Lady Hornwood. He has so much to learn about the way of things. His dream this time recounted what happened to him when he was injured. Do you think he finally remembers everything? Do you think if it's ever revealed what happened that Jaime's fate will change? Any thoughts on what his punishment should be?
I don’t think he remembers everything, he now remembers what happened and that he didn’t just fall but was thrown off the tower. But I don’t think he knows yet who did the throwing. Jamie’s fate will definitely change, as for punishment……his head comes of or he is going to fly.

36) What medicine/potion do you think Tyrion took from Varys?
Lys’s tears maybe. But he didn’t take them from Varys, he took them from the Varys.

37) We now know that Tyrion is the one who sent men to look for Arya. What do you think of all the plans he's putting into place?
Smart, he doesn’t put all his eggs in one basket and he ‘s playing the players.

38)Do you think Sansa is wise to team up with ser Dontos? Does she have any other options?
No, she doesn’t have many options and maybe it’s best to just wait and see and to try to adapt to her changed situation. She is starting to learn, but is still too impulsive.

39) The hound makes me nervous when he's around Sansa. Anyone else feeling this way?
Not really, I think he’s maybe looking out for. I agree with him a little that she is just a silly little songbird and that she needs to learn other things to survive.

40)Gah! Arya just can't seem to get a break. Every time I think things have gotten really bad they get worse. Anyone else worried here?
Very worried. And she did warn Gendry, don’t they ever learn.

41) I'm really starting to like Gendry. I like how he called Arya on being a girl. He was funny when he found out she was a lady. Any thoughts/opinions on Gendry?
I do like him, but he doesn’t seem very smart. The part when he finds out Arya is a “lady” was very funny indeed.
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