The Hobbit, or There and Back Again
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Question about Thorin please help. WARNING: SPOILERS!!!!!!!
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Sorry if I got off the Hobbit. I tend to view the whole series (TH and LOTR)as one. I did see one very funny review by someone in the entertainment industry that those responsible for the movie of "The Hobbit" would be impelled to expand other notable books to epics that had nothing to do with the book at all....Any body else see that?
i love thorin
Erin wrote: "I did see one very funny review by someone in the entertainment industry that those responsible for the movie o..."Can you provide a link please? I would like to read the funny review. :)
I agree with Mari.Thorin should die but Fili or Kili should live. It was kind of disappointing when they all died.
If either of the heirs live, doesn't that kinda mess up the Erebor succession?
Lariela wrote: "If either of the heirs live, doesn't that kinda mess up the Erebor succession?"Yes.
no offence, but considering this site to be a gathering of people who call themselves fan of book and good readers, almost everyone lack the insight that there are people out there that rather than focusing on a mere author to choose books to read, put their focus on plot!I, myself wont start a book unless I know the WHOLE plot including the ending!
so please, when people ask you a question and demand it sincerely, don't "I won't spoil the ending" them!!!
That's a fascinating thread. The OP had a very strong idea about how he wanted the story to end and he was disappointed that Tolkien didn't finish it the way he expected.In a way, I think that's the curse of Hollywood. With one or two exceptions, heroes succeed in their quests. Main characters don't often get killed off, partly because cinema audiences don't like that and partly because the studio wants to maximise the potential for sequels. With an honourable exception for Captain Kirk who gets killed twice in Star Trek Generations.
Lord of the Rings (the movie series) plays into this way of thinking. Frodo does destroy the ring. Aragorn does become king. All ends well. The extended version even sorts out the difficult love triangle.
So I can see that someone who is brought up on LOTR might struggle with the way that the Hobbit ends. It's not easy, it's not comfortable, it's a wrench. Funnily enough, that's one of the reason why most of us love really good books. They have a capacity to surprise us and challenge us in a way that mainstream Hollywood films cannot.
I wonder if he ever finished the Hobbit and if he gets it yet?
Oh, for the love of Pete. The book has been out for eighty years. It's among the biggest sellers ever. How can you not expect the plot to be common knowledge? What's next, someone says "Soylent Green is People" or "The Monoliths force-evolved humanity" and you expect that to be unknown?
Everything is new to someone at least once. The book may be 80 years old, but the readers aren't. Well, not all of them!Fr'instance my 13 year old son is just starting to get into the science fiction that I loved when I was his age. He has just finished reading "do Androids dream of electric sheep?" Next we are going to watch Blade Runner together. Happy days.
I'm trying very hard not to spoil his enjoyment of the classics (both books and films) by telling him how they end. For example, he heard on youtube about the big reveal at the end of Planet of the Apes before he got to see it for himself. Which was a bit of a shame.
Watching him discover these things helps - in a very small way - to recreate the feelings I had when I first encountered them.
Hannah wrote: "I agree with Mari.Thorin should die but Fili or Kili should live. It was kind of disappointing when they all died."
HOW do you see that? Thorin falls in battle, but his nephews doesn't fall trying to protect him? How utterly undwarvish!
Here's my suggestion, read the book. Who care's about the movies because they are just dragging them out to make you spend more money. So read the books because they will tell you the truth unlike the movies.
I know it might be hard to hear, but it is true. As for the movies, I don't want them to die, but they kinda need to because Tolkien write it that way. #hardtruth
I haven't read the LotR book (well, i read one chapter) but I did read "The Hobbit"...Don't they mention who the 'King of the Mountain' is in the "LotR" movies? That's why when I started to read the "Hobbit" and I started to like certain characters, I had guessed what was going to happen to them by the end of the book because I remembered that part from the LotR movie.
*Spoilers* I have had the pleasure of watching an early screening of the movie today and to answer your question: Yes. All of them die. Thorin is killed by the white orc, Azog. Erebor is reclaimed by the Dwarfs.. it doesn't show it in the movie, but Dáin II Ironfoot succeeds the throne... Its a very sad ending.. Kili's death especially in my opinion. The movie sets in motion what happens in the Lord of The Rings trilogy. It is not just about the quest.. The Hobbit, the battle of five armies is the best out of the three parts.
To Michael who originally posted ... I hope you've taken the advice and not only read the Hobbit by now but are working your way through the Lord of the Rings. The beauty of these books is that there is much more depth to them than even these lengthy movies can begin to encompass.
You were worried that there would be no more Kind Under the Mountain. All I will say to this is that the Hobbit is a very narrow and controlled slice into the universe Tolkien created and there are many more things and many more options around in that setting than you can dream of. That's the beauty of Tolkien: he leaves us wanting, but there is more.
Even Throrin dies, the ending is Amazing ;) I finished the book 2 days ago... The book is much much better than the movies, i have to say
Michael wrote: "Julia wrote: "I wouldn't expect you to understand... because you haven't read the book."Uh OK, weird being that you haven't even tried to tell me."
Michael wrote: "Julia wrote: "I wouldn't expect you to understand... because you haven't read the book."
Uh OK, weird being that you haven't even tried to tell me."
Michael
It's a bit annoying for you to nag the rest of us to find out the ending of a story that you could possibly find out for yourself by either reading the book or asking friends outside of GR who have. You do have friends outside of GR, don't you?
You are so unnerved by our reluctance to tell you the ending and insistent by nagging. This is a bad personality trait akin to emotional blackmailing and is offensive to people and hardly endears you to prospective friends.
Michael wrote: "Why the hell is everyone pressing me to read this book!?"It's that good!
This thread made my heat hurt with the whining and the "tell me now" stuff.
More importantly, I cannot understand why someone who isn't a reader like the rest of us is on a site about books. You want movie talk, go to the movie boards and sites all over the internet.
*grabs cane and shawl and goes back to rocking chair mumbling about these dang kids today....*
More importantly, I cannot understand why someone who isn't a reader like the rest of us is on a site about books. You want movie talk, go to the movie boards and sites all over the internet.
*grabs cane and shawl and goes back to rocking chair mumbling about these dang kids today....*
Esp. when, if I recall correctly, the movie leaves the answer to the original question, vague!
I think the point to remember is that the kingship of Erebor is not the real focus, or point, of the story. The book is called 'The Hobbit', not 'The King Under the Mountain'. Bilbo is the central character, and it is his journey (physically and spiritually) that concerns Tolkien (despite how Jackson makes it look in the films). Additionally, this story recounts how the One Ring comes back into the world at large, again via the central character - Bilbo. From a totally different perspective (and one which ISN'T ever mentioned by Tolkien in The Hobbit, but IS alluded to by Gandalf in the LOTR), the outcome of the quest by Thorin to reclaim Erebor is to recover the One Ring from its 'imprisonment' by Gollum under the Misty Mountains. The implication is that other powers are influencing events (as Gandalf says to Frodo in LOTR, 'Bilbo was meant to find the Ring'). I always understood this to mean that the Gods in the 'West' are trying to influence this outcome and that the Ring itself is trying to get away from Gollum (as the first step in trying to get itself back into Sauron's keeping).
Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I have read the books and could have answered Mike's question. You don't get the right to act like assholes and treat someone as though your better than he/she is. You're all posting as if your readings are a discovery that you have found. The "Hobbit" is average at best. I can list several fantasy/sci-fi novels that are its equal and some far more superior. Please, I beg of you, to reply as immaturely as you have to Mike. I laugh as you defend a book reader code that doesn't exist. I will now enjoy intercourse with my wife, LOSERS!
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Like Boromir who also had similar lusts, although in his case it was power and not gold, they were able in the end to do the right thing and had an honorable death. The obverse would be Saruman, who got the death his wicked heart and deeds had earned him.... (hide spoiler)]