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Buddy read -- 100 Days in Deadland -- through part 1 (spoilers)
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Tammy K. wrote: "Clutch is Virgil ......like cash is Dante ?Not buying that."
Buy it or not, that's what's going on! Like Netanella said, this is Clutch's world. He didn't show up until hell had 'broke loose' so to speak, and this is clearly Cash's story, so she can only be Dante. Since Clutch is her teacher, he is Virgil. If that's a parallel you don't 'get' or, more importantly, don't 'buy,' then that is most definitely something to include in your review. And, who knows? I could end up hating this by the end, and you could end up positively loving it! It is only the first section, after all!
Teresa wrote: "So I DO think this will be a 'personal' quest..."If I had zombies wanting to eat my brains, or any other body part for that matter, I would definitely take it as a personal quest to get the hell out of Dodge! :)
Tammy K. wrote: "Clutch is Virgil ......like cash is Dante ?Not buying that."
Take it as the teacher/student relationship, a guide through a new world. Doesn't have to be deeper than that.
Tammy K. wrote: "You are welcome to "not read" my review. :-D
I look forward to it, actually. But you know, if I can criticize myself here a bit, I'd say that the books I've read to so far on BOTM or Buddy Reads, I find I'm so typed out on them, that I just usually give a star rating but not a review. I'm such a slacker.
I will admit, I haven't read any of your reviews YET ;-)But I've noticed with reviews, the longest most detailed one's always gets voted 'up.' Hell, most of them include spoilers! And I OBVIOUSLY overlooked the rapists' circle from the first link. I posted it either really early or really late, and hadn't read through it all. I haven't read through the whole Sparknotes one, either, just in the spirit of full disclosure!
Awww shit...its all coming together for me!!! The second circle, lust, is characterized by winds constantly blowing: "This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly." That's EXACTLY what happens! Now, on to the second thread for the other two circles I've figured out!
Tammy K. wrote: "You are welcome to "not read" my review. :-D I write reviews because as I've said before, I got sick and tired of reading raving fan reviews about a book, purchasing that book and finding the b..."
I didn't see rapists listed there...maybe I'm just too damn tired...
Netanella wrote: "I look forward to it, actually. But you know, if I can criticize myself here a bit, I'd say that the books I've read to so far on BOTM or Buddy Reads, I find I'm so typed out on them, that I just usually give a star rating but not a review. I'm such a slacker. ..."Same here!!! I get soooo 'written out' with the discussions, I rarely write reviews. And I hate myself for it...
Tammy K. wrote: "Hey guys,I am going off line for the evening to work on a Crochet table runner that I am making for my Secret Santa Pal.
I'm kind of excited to try out a new hook that I bought yesterdays. It's a..."
So many things to respond to here...first off, I have THE BEST crochet hooks! They are ergonomically designed to fit in your =hand without cramping so bad, and they are beautifully colored. I have made some very nice items with them. This is what they look like, except my 3-pack has sizes G,H, & J, and they are teal, lime green, and orange. I LOVE the little tube they come in...it has little gems in the lid. $25, though. I had a $10 coupon plus 50% off A.C. Moore, which made them around 7 bucks...a steal! http://www.paradisefibers.com/clover-... But I've never moved to steel hooks...too tiny! I applaud your patience! Do you crochet doilies and other lacey items, as well? Interesting fact...French lacemakers (i.e., crocheters) couldn't make ends meet due to the pittance they received as pay for their hard work, so they had to prostitute on the side...hence the term 'hooker.' Tammy's a hooker! And so am I! LOL ;-)
Okay, secondly, is your nudge a hint that the book needs added to Goodreads? I'm a librarian, too. And you should be, as well, Tammy. It comes in handy for certain books that have mistakes, rare books, etc. I'll get it up for ya! ;-)
Tammy K. wrote: "Teresa wrote: "I didn't see rapists listed there...maybe I'm just too damn tired... "My point is that the rape scene did not belong in the Lust ring.
Rape is violent.
Lust was about self indulg..."
I don't know...I look at rape as being an irresistible lust. Its despicable...like someone who can't take no for an answer. Sure, we all have 'lusted' at one point or another, but rape, to me, is lust incarnate. Lust does not equal love, and I think rapists lust sooooo ferociously after something, they can't control themselves. I am, in no way, advocating rape! But also, in Dante's time, 'rape' wasn't rape as we know it. It was legal to have sex with your wife even if she said no, for instance. So I would think Dante would include rapists with lust. And believe me, I have too much on my plate to be researching solely for your benefit, my dear! I'm doing it mostly for myself, so that I can have a clearer understanding of the book, and am sharing what /I find here. But, I had an epiphany a little while ago. I think I've pieced together the first four rings! I'll share on the second thread after I add your book....
Tammy K. wrote: "Teresa wrote: "I didn't see rapists listed there...maybe I'm just too damn tired... "My point is that the rape scene did not belong in the Lust ring.
Rape is violent.
Lust was about self indulg..."
Yes, I agree here. The Lust Circle of Hell doesn't mesh with the sex slave set up in "100 Days". It's been bugging me in the back of my head. Rape is not about sex (Lust) but violence and power. (Or so they say, I'm not an expert in this field).
I'd relate a really funny story about my last crochet experience with a circle of grannies all crocheting on an outdoor patio and bird poopie-ing on my head. I was 7 or 8. And the pinacle of their amusement for the rest of the afternoon.But I'd hate to embarrass myself! ;)~
Netanella wrote: "Tammy K. wrote: "Teresa wrote: "I didn't see rapists listed there...maybe I'm just too damn tired... "My point is that the rape scene did not belong in the Lust ring.
Rape is violent.
Lust was ..."
You guys are right...and Tammy is always right...I should listen to her more. It should be in violence, too, and probably will. Because rape ISN'T just in the lust section (or at least women being talked about like objects- of course, that's in the greed section, so maybe they just want to possess the women). I don't know; I'm confusing myself. I don't even actually think 'rape' was a thing in the 1300s. Women were chattel. They had no rights, so I doubt Dante even made a reference to rape in the original....
Anyhoo...off to read in the library while my better half snoozes. See you all in a few hours (most likely after I fall asleep holding my kindle and bonk myself awake by dropping it right on my nose!)
Tammy K. wrote: "My point is that the rape scene did not belong in the Lust ring. Rape is violent. Lust was about self indulgence in sex/passion at the price of ones virtue.To me, the depicted rape was a perfect example of sexual self indulgence, encouraged by an environment of rampant immorality.
Rape can involve violence (e.g. physical force)
Rape can involve power (e.g. coercion, manipulation)
Rape can involve lust (e.g. uncontrolled desire)
Rape can involve loss of inhibitions (e.g. alcohol, drugs)
But rape doesn't have a singular, or simple, cause and effect (or definition). It's complicated. It will vary by the individuals and the relationships.
I've seen rape defined as sex itself (I reached adulthood in the Twin Cities during the Dworkin-McKinnon era), to girls given roofies by Frat boys, to date rape, to statutory rape, all the way to the atypical gang rape such as that depicted in the book.
Those are significantly different events.
Randy wrote: "But rape doesn't have a singular, or simple, cause and effect (or definition). It's complicated. It will vary by the individuals and the relationships...."I agree. Now that my head has cleared, rape takes on many different 'forms'? That's not the right word, but you know what I mean. Usually, if your rapist is someone you know, its personal. It can be about power, or shaming, or a multitude of other reasons. Serial rapists rape because they have to get rid of the urge...I'd consider that unbridled lust. Many people think 'lust' is a good thing, and it can be. But most of the time, it isn't. And, it has historically been classified as a sin of some type...
Also, as I mentioned, during Dante's time, women had NO rights, and were merely property, so you could rape all you wanted, and no one besides perhaps the girl's family members would take vengeance...
It wouldn't be the first time, Tammy! And what I've seen you refer to as 'typos' and 'grammatical errors' are really just a different way of writing. I LOVE the prose; its the most literary, poetic book we've read to date, in my opinion. Some folks don't like prosaic writing...that's absolutely fine! It takes all kinds to make the world go round, after all. I AM trying my best to see where you are coming from, and even highlight things I see that I think 'Oh, I bet Tammy hates this,' or 'Tammy probably enjoyed this...' You know, things like that. But it seems to me as though you've already got your mind firmly made up about this book. I just request that you try and see SOMETHING positive about it; there has to be at least one scene you DO enjoy, right? Just as Randy and I are trying to respond to your comments and see where you are coming from, try and do the same in return. Tell yourself you are going to find something positive in say, 10 pages. Even if its something really small. I REALLY thought you'd appreciate Cash's hardness when shooting the girl at the end of this section. But also, you don't have to 'try and make us see the bad grammar and typos,' because other that the one single typo you DID post, the rest are just a writer's personal choice on how to portray their story. I remember you saying it was 'narration, not dialogue.' But no book (besides perhaps Hemingway) is going to just be dialogue! THAT'S difficult reading!!! If you prefer your books 'pulpy,' without the denseness of classics, that's A-OK...its your opinion. And I'm not going to try and change your opinion, so you don't have to try and change mine...lets just respect that we will have different opinions, and that's what reading is all about! I love the buddy reads because it makes me see views I may not have thought of on my own. And that's why I like us saying what we do and don't like about the book. After all, no one is attacking you for not enjoying it...I'm sorry you aren't enjoying it, because it sucks reading a book you aren't enjoying. I sincerely hope you start enjoying it more...if not, file DNF. Cause I'm getting that you HATE this so far- don't torture yourself reading a book you hate!!!
No, no....THAT'S the only REAL typo I saw you mention!
And in your comment #52, saw can be used un present tense. Like when Raffles hunt groundhogs and Mikie & I have to try and stop her from killing them. I say 'I saw one right over there!' I may be speaking in the present tense, but as soon as whatever object leaves my line of sight, it becomes 'saw.' So that line didn't bother me a bit. The 'fields of black' phrase I LOVED! Like I said, it seems so much more poetic, AND ominous. We all know its soil, ya know? And we also all know it WON'T get planted. I think it was a profound and loaded statement. Maybe that's just me. Of course, typos, to me are mix-ups like 'There/Their/They're' and Past/Passed, and To, Two, Too. Lie, lay. Than (qualifier)/Then(a point in time). Set/Sat. Its (possession)/It's(IT IS). Here/Hear. Etc. THOSE are the things that drive me nuts!!! THOSE are bad grammar. Typos, to me, are misplaced periods, commas in wrong places, misspellings, forgetting to capitalize the first word of a sentence, and my biggest peeve- the mis-used semi-colon. It can be used in place of 'and' or 'but' or any other conjunction. It is NOT the same as a comma!!!
Don't go away, Tammy! Just cause we don't agree on the book up to this point doesn't mean anything! Post away! Your opinions are just as valid as any of ours!!!And I just noticed my last post was riddled with grammatical errors AND typos...that happens a LOT when I'm on my phone instead of a computer :-(
Last one: your/you're Misuse of that one REALLY drives me nuts!!!
I'm sorry...maybe I took your comment too personally. But when someone says "I can't even get you two to see/admit that there are typos and that the missing words make for a jerky-choppy read," I feel as though A.) I'm being accused of lying when saying I like this read and am enjoying it a LOT so far, and B.) as though if I DON'T agree that there are typos and grammatical errors in it, I'm in the wrong. And I think you know I consider what you are calling typos and grammatical errors a different writing style. I just feel as though, rather than trying to enjoy the book, you are trying harder to rip it apart to make Randy & I see the errors of our ways in how we are interpreting this book. I just want you to give it a chance and try to enjoy some parts, at least. And as I said, if you hate it so much, file DNF so you aren't torturing yourself! We aren't here to change each others' minds; we are here to share a read and say what we like, what we don't like, why, etc. Try and kick back and enjoy! Or take a break and read something else...
I meant the writers making typos, not you! You can make as many as you want; as you said, you don't make a living writing. BUT poetic license is a gray area. As is 'normal' & 'correct' writing! Can you define 'normal' and 'correct' writing??? I sure as hell can't, and I have a B.A. in English!!! Some writers choose a stream of consciousness style; some choose almost all dialogue (Hemingway!!!); some make up words (China Miéville); etc. I think Aukes is just writing her 'native tongue.' Like how people from different parts of the country say hoagie, grinder, sub, po-boy, etc. Maybe you just don't like colloquialisms. Its is VERY difficult to tamp down your regular way of speaking when writing...it reminds me of news anchors who try soooo hard to perfect a plain, 'regular' American accent. It seems so 'fake' to me. If I'm watching a newscast from Boston, I'd like to hear the dropped 'r's, etc. I fear that you think I'm friends with this author because I mentioned I e-mailed her to try and get an ARC of the sequel. I am not a 'fan' of hers on here, nor 'friends,' and I WILL give an honest review. Remember how Zombies, Inc. kinda tanked? If this one goes downhill, I'll definitely be the first to say so, and pass on the ARC. No fluff from me! You should know that by now!!!
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Ask yourself, what was the message (generally speaking) of Dante's Inferno that my college instructors wanted me to find?
When I read, Dante's Inferno what did ..."
You know, I'm not quite sure WHAT circle they go to...I believe lust. But I remember being blown away that hell was an icy pit, and that the lowest rung was saved for traitors. I mean, really? Being a political spy is worse than murder or infanticide? I felt like I remembered it better than I actually do...reading over those sparknotes, I realized I'd forgotten a LOT. But it does mention that Dante had a SERIOUS agenda while writing this...not just religion and spirituality, but the dreaded 'p' word: POLITICS! You also must keep in mind that writers during this time needed patrons to finance their work, and oftentimes, it shows through. I think, more than anything, we are getting the 'everyman's' voyage (as in Cash could be ANYONE), and we will see her personal journey and growth throughout the story. All I know for sure is that I'm seriously enjoying it, and that I am fine with the correlations I DO see. As I stated above, those 'remakes' of classic stories are kind of fun (some WAY more so than others), but cheesy to the max. I'm glad this one isn't like that. I'm happy with the story, pacing, plotline, and character development so far, so I'm just going to take the whole 'Inferno' thing with a grain of salt for now. And I NEVER read more than a book's synopsis before deciding if I'm interested. A VERY strong review (either bad or good), can make me decide NOT to buy I book I might have enjoyed, and vice versa. So I just don't read review anymore!