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Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness
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Thank you!

"Iraqis know who they were, and they don’t always like it, but they still have not figured out whom they want to be as a country." (NYT)

"Iraqis know who they were, and they don’t always like it, but they still have not figured out WHO they want to be as a country."
I found the following note on m-w.com:
Usage: Observers of the language have been predicting the demise of whom from about 1870 down to the present day . Our evidence shows that no one—English or not—should expect whom to disappear momentarily; it shows every indication of persisting quite a while yet. Actual usage of who and whom—accurately described at the entries in this dictionary—does not appear to be markedly different from the usage of Shakespeare's time. But the 18th century grammarians, propounding rules and analogies, rejecting other rules and analogies, and usually justifying both with appeals to Latin or Greek, have intervened between us and Shakespeare. It seems clear that the grammarians' rules have had little effect on the traditional uses. One thing they have accomplished is to encourage hypercorrect uses of whom . Another is that they have made some people unsure of themselves .

You wouldn't ask "Whom am I?" (laugh)
Or have I missed something here?

Moreover, in the colloquial register of American English, "whom" is vanishing. "Who're ya gonna call? Ghostbusters!"
Agreed. "Whom" is now on life support. The correct word "all right" is vanishing in favor of that new being, "alright," and few people are saying, "If I were..." because they prefer "If I was...."
Language, like our reflections in the mirror, slowly changes.
Language, like our reflections in the mirror, slowly changes.

Newengland wrote: "Agreed. "Whom" is now on life support. The correct word "all right" is vanishing in favor of that new being, "alright," and few people are saying, "If I were..." because they prefer "If I was......."
Not to mention "a lot" which is morphing into "alot." Yech.
Not to mention "a lot" which is morphing into "alot." Yech.

I'm in favor of whom. It's clear that the final phrase is the direct object of the clause; in addition, whom is the object of they in the final phrase.
I personally say things like, "Whom shall I say is calling." If the most egregious thing a style book can say is that it's "hypercorrect," then that makes me a jerk, I suppose. But it remains grammatically correct.

English usage may be in flux; I just don't want to be ahead of the curve. Conservative is safer.

'nother question:
"They all smoked cigarettes. Gina's suffocated in an ashtray. Two unfiltered were stomped dead on the floor."
Should "unfiltered" have an -s?
Thanks!
My guess is you could go either way. I like it the way you have it because it keeps "unfiltered" as an adjective and assumes the missing noun "cigarettes."
Working on a piece, I see. Great!
Working on a piece, I see. Great!

'nother question:
"They all smoked cigarettes. Gina's suffocated in an ashtray. Two unfiltered were stomped dead on the floor."
Should "unfiltered" have an -s?
Thanks!"
I'm with Newengland on this. The immediate precedent of "Gina's suffocated..." has set up the "Two unfiltered..." sufficiently for the reader's comprehension.



Danke schön!
My father-in-law, who was visiting from Connecticut last week, brought up a Sunday New York Times, including the Sunday magazine. There was a column by the language maven about the pronoun THEY and how it was used as a singular throughout history. Seems only in the mid-18th century that a woman who wrote a best-selling grammar started the habit of using HE or HIM to refer to both singular men or women (similar to "mankind" representing both sexes).
Furthermore, the column claimed that the singular THEY is coming back strong (as it was used by Dickens, Chaucer, Thackeray, etc.) and even showing up as a singular/plural in some dictionaries.
I've always taught that indefinite pronouns like anybody, someone, everybody should be treated as SINGULAR ANTECEDENTS (e.g. Everyone take out his or her books), but it appears I'm fighting against the tide and only teaching the more recent quirks of some grammarians sprouting up only 250 years ago -- a short span given the English language's storied history.
Interesting.
Furthermore, the column claimed that the singular THEY is coming back strong (as it was used by Dickens, Chaucer, Thackeray, etc.) and even showing up as a singular/plural in some dictionaries.
I've always taught that indefinite pronouns like anybody, someone, everybody should be treated as SINGULAR ANTECEDENTS (e.g. Everyone take out his or her books), but it appears I'm fighting against the tide and only teaching the more recent quirks of some grammarians sprouting up only 250 years ago -- a short span given the English language's storied history.
Interesting.

thanks!
Maybe it means that only one party has signed it.....ie the ink isn't dry from the first signature so it is not too late to back out?

German has the same expression and we were going to use it in a story yesterday (i work in news) but didn't know if were would be implying that the contract had been signed or not.
Debbie, thanks. The expression does carry that suggestion that someone wants out.

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