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message 301: by Sandra (new)

Sandra (sanddune)
No. I just turn the tables by asking, "and who is calling?"


message 302: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
In truth, it's academic. I don't answer my phone unless my wife's out (in which case I make sure it's not her before I don't answer it).


message 303: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Ummmm....I do sometimes.......


message 304: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
And I never answer a cellphone I don't own (what a savings -- in money, time, and harassment!).


message 305: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
I never do that either!
When telemarketers call and ask for 'the lady of the house', I grandly say, "This is she...", prepararory to flicking them off....they feel less rejected that way, and probably just think I am a snobby old broad!


message 306: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
I just slam down the receiver. Quickest way to get them out of my life. Who cares what they think?

Curmudgeon II


message 307: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments Hi,

I have another question.

Which of the following is correct:

This course introduces teachers to a new teaching methodology.

or

This course introduces a new teaching methodology to teachers.

Thanks!




message 308: by Ken, Moderator (last edited Apr 28, 2009 03:38PM) (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
I like sentence #2 better because it keeps "introduces" closer to "teaching methodology." I have no grammatical reason, though. Truth be told, I would be capable of uttering BOTH of those sentences. (I just play "the vernacular" card when anyone calls me on my grammar.)


message 309: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Me too.....I think they are both grammatically correct but number 2 is a little more elegant!


message 310: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments Thank you. I just thought there might be a rule about using "introduce." I will use my second sentence. :-)


message 311: by Robyn (new)

Robyn | 387 comments I think the second, because it is the teaching methodology that is being 'introduced' regardless of the audience. MTC (my two cents) :)


message 312: by David (new)

David | 4568 comments When you have dilemma like that, rewrite the sentence. "This course presents a new teaching method."

"Methodology" is unnecessarily verbose, and seems to mean something like "the theory of methods." And of course, you're not going to present a new teaching method to bakers or electricians.

A grammatical quandary is a signal to take a new approach.

Forgive me for pontificating.


message 313: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
I agree with David completely.


message 314: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
David, you are one of the least pontifical people I don't know!


message 315: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments David, thanks so much! I am glad I can turn to you all for help. :-)


message 316: by Tyler (new)

Tyler  (tyler-d) | 268 comments A grammatical quandary is a signal to take a new approach.

Thanks too, David. I can't tell you how many times this rule of thumb has saved me.



message 317: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Hey Tyler....long time no see! All good?


message 318: by Tyler (new)

Tyler  (tyler-d) | 268 comments Hi Debbie --
All good, except for a muddy Internet connection. Where's the fabulous red dress photo?


message 319: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Having a rest...it was playing havoc with NE and David's blood pressures........


message 320: by David (new)

David | 4568 comments I've had the DT's since you took it down.


message 321: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Hahahahaha!!!


message 322: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Was that intentional? My initials?!


message 323: by David (new)

David | 4568 comments Serendipitous, my dear, serendipitous.


message 324: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
OK....serendipitous can be irresistable!


message 325: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
"Devil in a red dress, red dress, red dress, devil in a red dress, red dress, red dress... devil with a red dress on!" It was almost the lyrics to a song.

Also, red dress brings to mind "redress" and its dual meanings.


message 326: by Kelly (Maybedog) (last edited May 18, 2009 06:47AM) (new)

Kelly (Maybedog) (maybedog) Another grammar question:

Can whatsoever be substituted for whatever? I see signs like "post no material whatever" which just sound wrong to me but I'm seeing it more and more. Is this grammatically correct? I've been trying to think of another example but the only ones I can think of just have to be wrong like, "I will no tolerate bigotry whatever." No, no, no!


message 327: by Tyler (new)

Tyler  (tyler-d) | 268 comments Whatever and whatsoever are very near interchangeable as far as I know. The trend lately has been to say more with less -- fewer sentences, fewer words, fewer syllables. My guess is that that's why we're starting to see whatever substituting for whatsoever. To me this is a style change, and it's fine to retain whatsoever, but not incorrect to use whatever.


message 328: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
And I'd eliminate the entire problem by saying "POST NO MATERIAL."

Now I have a question. I work with a couple of poets by email. We critique each other's poems. One poem this month as this phrase

I love how we have sat in a teepee.

Now that have sat just looks/sounds wrong to me. But seat-of-the-pants grammarian that I am, I can't say why it's wrong. Help!


message 329: by Tyler (new)

Tyler  (tyler-d) | 268 comments "Post No Material" is best. The other words add nothing to the meaning.

"Have sat" is correct. It looks unusual because we normally contract it and say, "We've sat ..." in ordinary speech. It reminds me of "swum" being the perfect of "swim": I swim, I swam, I have swum. Odd, but correct.




message 330: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Noooooo!!!! It does sound wrong! "I love how we sat in the teepee".....sounds better.

I think whatsoever sounds right, and "whatever" has a different meaning these days as in a dismissive exclamation....ie....(Parent)...."Could you please put a jacket on? It's cold outside." (Child)..."Whatever!"


message 331: by Tyler (new)

Tyler  (tyler-d) | 268 comments Grammatically, it's correct. As a matter of style, it may sound wrong, but that's hard for me to determine because it's poetry, and there may be reasons I know nothing about why the author chose "have sat" over "sat".

If it were prose, I would agree with you, Debbie -- to be sure, I feel more competent criticizing prose than poetry. So the poets here will have to look at the poem as a whole and judge the artistic merit by their own criteria.


message 332: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
True....poetry has it's own rules (or lack thereof!)


message 333: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Poetic license trumps grammar like a royal flush trumps a full house. Ask e.e. cummings...


message 334: by David (new)

David | 4568 comments Post No Bills
Post Anything Here and You're Dead Meat
Stick Paper Up Here, and My Dog Spot Will Bite Off Your Sorry Head
Advertisers Will Be Shot
May the Fleas of a Thousand Camels Devour the Poster
Go Do Your Posting In the Fifth Circle of Hell

Be Creative




message 335: by Kelly (Maybedog) (new)

Kelly (Maybedog) (maybedog) David, I like your suggestions, although I suspect the government would get a whopping pile of letters if they chose any but the first one.

Tyler, I agree that it doesn't add direct meaning but I think it adds emphasis. I concur that short and sweet is usually better but we have a rich, beautiful language for a reason: to use it. The important thing is to know when to be concise and when to wax poetic.


message 336: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments Hi,

My colleague wants to invite a married couple to an event and wants to know if she should write "Mrs and Mr X" or "Mr and Mrs X" on the envelope. I told her to use the first, but now I'm not too sure. Is there a rule about this? What do you think?

Thanks!



message 337: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
No rule that I know of, but Mr. and Mrs. is customary.


message 338: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Mr and Mrs......


message 339: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
If in the States, use the periods after "Mr. and Mrs." The Brits (and Dr Pepper) do without.


message 340: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments Thank you, Ruth, Debbie, and Newengland.


message 341: by Kelly (Maybedog) (new)

Kelly (Maybedog) (maybedog) Mr. and Mrs. is customary because we live in a sexist society. Why not simply "the so and so's" if they have the same last name? (I'm guessing they do since it wouldn't be a question if they didn't.)


message 342: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments :-) Thanks, Kelly. So Mr. and Mrs. it is.


message 343: by Ken, Moderator (last edited Jun 01, 2009 01:57PM) (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Well, we now have a "Mr. Hillary Clinton." That has to count for something.


message 344: by David (new)

David | 4568 comments "Hillary" is from ιλαριον, meaning "joyous." How inapt!


message 345: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments Hello everyone! I have another question:

Do you "request for a particular book" or "request a particular book"?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you!

Nita


message 346: by David (new)

David | 4568 comments You "ask for" a particular book, but "request" a particular book.


"Go," as Kurt Vonnegut says, "figure."


message 347: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments Thank you so much, David!


message 348: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Forgo "for."


message 349: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments For-gone! :-D Thank you.


message 350: by Nita (new)

Nita | 43 comments My colleague had an argument with her friend. She claimed that "the glue in the gluestick has got over." Her friend said that she should have said "the glue in the gluestick is finished" instead. I think the latter is right. Am I right?




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