Allegiant
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Who else is boycotting this movie?
Hailey wrote: "She had to do something upsetting, you kind of knew it was coming. Just because something happened that upset you in Allegiant, it really doesn't affect the way her books were before. Her writing d..."Well, a lot of people were upset to the point that they are unable to look at the other books and the story the same way again. I admit that it does cast a dark shadow over the story for me, too, now. But I personally am not going to let it affect me going to the first movie. I liked that story, and I'm not going to let Allegiant affect me because I'm just pretending that the book never happened at all -- because for me it was the whole book that ruins the series, not the ending at all.
I HATE THE ENDING
Lauren wrote: "They can do whatever they want. And as far as the author, when you sign over the rights, you also sign over creative control. How much influence the author then has depends on the particular terms of this contract, if they have script control or approval or anything. Sometimes (most of the time?) they have zero control over any of it. ..."I know that the rights allow them to do whatever they want, but they also want to make money, and alienating the fans of a book is not a good way to go about it.
the actress who plays tris wears to much makeup to be in abnegation, and in the book tris is said to be not that pretty while in the movie she is
Anna wrote: "the actress who plays tris wears to much makeup to be in abnegation, and in the book tris is said to be not that pretty while in the movie she is"The curse of Hollywood. They're never going to allow a woman to be ugly unless she's the villain or something.
Lynne wrote: "Lauren wrote: "They can do whatever they want. And as far as the author, when you sign over the rights, you also sign over creative control. How much influence the author then has depends on the pa..."They're going to alienate people either way. If they change the ending, they risk offending the people who actually liked it; if they keep it, the people who hated it won't see the movie at all. Honestly, if they do change the ending, then most of everyone will go, if only out of curiosity for what this "new" ending is going to be.
Lynne wrote: "Anna wrote: "the actress who plays tris wears to much makeup to be in abnegation, and in the book tris is said to be not that pretty while in the movie she is"The curse of Hollywood. They're neve..."
I know right
Not even then. Jeanine is the villain of this story and was not exactly described as being particularly attractive in the book, and whoops, now here's Kate Winslet.
It depends on each individual book, I think (I'm talking about books generally here, not just Allegiant) and what they think will make each book succeed as a movie. With that in mind, they could alter the ending of Allegiant, but I wouldn't see it even if they had an ending where Tris survived, because I know that's not what really happened, so I couldn't buy it. It would seem false to me.
Lynne wrote: "It depends on each individual book, I think (I'm talking about books generally here, not just Allegiant) and what they think will make each book succeed as a movie. With that in mind, they could al..."That's the same thing I was thinking, if they do that its going to be even worse.
Lynne wrote: "It depends on each individual book, I think (I'm talking about books generally here, not just Allegiant) and what they think will make each book succeed as a movie. With that in mind, they could al..."They take all kinds of creative license with adaptations. They frequently put something in that didn't happen or leave out something that did. Technically those are all false. But movies never claimed to be a strict reenactment of the books. It's an adaptation. They do not have to be absolutely faithful to everything in the book. Not saying they will, or even should, but it won't make it "false" if they did. It won't make the reality of the story in the book any less a reality. Now, if Veronica Roth for some reason wrote an alternate ending like some fans inexplicably wish she would, I would cry foul on that. She wrote the book, she wrote the ending the way it was supposed to happen in the book, and that's how the book canon is and that's that.
Movies can create their own canon.
I'm just thinking it might be a neat idea to create a different ending for the movie. The folks who were fine with the book ending can still keep that as the truth, and people who wish it ended differently can be appeased by the movie's version. Everyone has something to make them happy.
Lynne wrote: "Heck, Allegiant had a high rating before it was even released because people were giving it five stars from nothing more than their anticipation. I know there are plenty of people who liked Allegiant and gave it a five star review because they thought it deserved it. ..."As true as it is, people can still alter the stars they have given a book. If it is to be as disappointing as it is, then a book didn't deserve 5 stars. People who gave 5 stars to Allegiant and then find the book rather disappointing enough will likely to change that 5 stars to a deserved star the book should get. Maybe some readers are lazy enough to care about reviews, but surely if they are upset with the book, they will not keep their 5 stars attached to that book.
Lauren wrote: "...Seriously, look it up. It's a real thing."I think I should, if I care a lot about reviews on Amazon, which I never did. Amazon is online store, so more stars a book gets will benefit them. What I do care are reviews made by my friends and others on Goodreads.
I know about readers who give away 5 stars before even reading the book. I did that before, but I change my stars accordingly later. I did that for 2 books. I changed one but kept the other.
Maybe others do the same but maybe they don't
Lauren wrote: "I...Anyway, regarding the ratings, I wasn't talking about the votes for the Goodreads awards, so I'm not sure why Nurlely brought that up anyway. "
Uhmm... Maybe because we are discussing a topic about Allegiant on Goodreads?
In case I have a short term memory lost, don't we rate books here too?
Amanda did say about 50/50 people here and then brought reviews on Amazon.
And then you say lots of 5-star reviews are fake.
I gave 5 stars only after I read the book. How would you say about that stars? Excluding the 'lots of'?
How did you know that?
Dude, take a chill pill. I was specifically referring to the Amazon reviews because the poster before specifically mentioned the ratings split on Amazon. Not talking at all about what happens here at Goodreads. I literally have no idea what you are even saying with those last couple of lines in your post so I can't answer those last questions.I only suggested that you check out the idea of fake reviews because you seemed so incredulous at the idea that people would leave fake reviews. And I didn't even mean to look on Amazon. I mean Google search articles about shilling -- that is the term for planting fake positive reviews for a product to make it look better.
Chill out people
Lauren wrote: "Dude, take a chill pill. I was specifically referring to the Amazon reviews because the poster before specifically mentioned the ratings split on Amazon. Not talking at all about what happens her..."LOL... Cute. I always enjoy serious comments made upon my favourite books.
Thanks for the advice. You can do the same to yourself.. ;)
Lauren wrote: "Not saying they will, or even should, but it won't make it "false" if they did. It won't make the reality of the story in the book any less a reality..."It might not make it false for you, but it would make it false for me. If they do that and some people go, 'Great! Tris survives. I like this version!' Good on them, but I can't accept that knowing that in 'reality' (which is what it is, as far as I'm concerned, because that's what the author decided it was) that didn't happen.
With minor changes in books to movie it doesn't bother me, like for example, them setting the wedding in Breaking Dawn outside,or changing the location of a scene, or combining a few different scenes to make one. So long as it doesn't change the characters and their behaviour, or the ultimate outcomes, it's fine with me, but changing something like making a character survive when they died in the book (or vice versa) for me, that's going too far.
Nurlely wrote: "As true as it is, people can still alter the stars they have given a book. If it is to be as disappointing as it is, then a book didn't deserve 5 stars. ..."Yes, they can, but some people don't bother. Some people even let a rating stand when they never read the book.
Changing major events (even character deaths) when going from book to screen is honestly not that big a deal and not even uncommon. Like I said, it's an adaptation, not a reenactment. "Based on" doesn't mean "replica."Seriously, is it really that offensive if a movie changes the story? If I liked a particular part of a book and they changed it in a movie, I would not care because I have what happened in the book and that reality will not change. The movie does not change the reality of the book.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on that one, Lauren. As I said, I'm fine with small changes because it's a different medium, but if it's a significant change like a character who dies surviving after all, I think it's going a little too far.
Lynne wrote: "Yes, they can, but some people don't bother. Some people even let a rating stand when they never read the book. "Oh dear. Shame on them.
You know the scene in "Silver Linings Playbook," when Pat finishes Hemingway's "Farewell to Arms"--well that was my reaction to the ending of the Allegiant. Essentially, VR wrote three books, so Four could get over his fear of heights in the end. WHAT?
Yeah, it did seem a bit like that, didn't it, Laura?
The Mighty Katara wrote: "I'm not trying to force anyone to like this book. I was just saying that getting rid of the ending for the movie would be incredibly shallow. If you hated the ending, good for you. But you use outr..."*high-five* Yep!
I know I am way behind the curve by just getting into the series now, but I am not some teen, I am a 57 year old female high school teacher. I loved the Divergent Movie so I got into the whole series and bought the books. The same with a lot of females my age. I deal with strife and stress everyday so when I do get time to read I want to read something that will make me feel good at the end. First of all the last book is so confusing and boring at times. Tobias ( I love your choice of Theo) seems to turn into some kind of wimp. I talk to my female students and they all hated that Tris dies. I understand that it completed her journey but if I want tragedy I will watch the news. Everyone wants hope and especially women that they will be strong and get the guy in the end. PLEASE CHANGE THE ENDING. If Tris is to die I will not go to anymore of the movies. A lot of my teenage students feel the same. The money is in Tris and Tobias being together at the end!!!! THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AN AMAZING SERIES,but it sort of fizzle and died in the last book. WHAT WAS SHE THINKING!!!!?????
I'd be really surprised if they did something as drastic as make Tris survive and it still wouldn't make me see the movie.
I agree!!! That last book was so confusing and disjointed!!! She had a chance to write something great and instead wrote that.
Some movie endings have come out in the theater as they are in the book. When it comes out on DVD they will sometimes also include a version with an alternate ending. This might work for this particular situation.
If VR had managed to do it in a way that was convincing I would agree with you. While I don't like my protagonists to die I recognise it is realistic if they sometimes do. It was the way this scene was written that I really objected to. It was full of plotholes.
I also think that the reason I was so upset that Tris died because once again Four had to suffer the consequences. He was left without her. I agree with you though. Tris goes through all she does and makes it through the death ray to be shot!!! I would really like to see an ending where they both live and are still there for each other. I guess I am just a romantic at heart. If I had known Tris was going to die I wouldn't have read the last book. I did finally go back today and finish the book after the part where Tobias is with her and she is dead. I still don't like the ending!!!
If i were the directors I would stick to the book then change it. Tris is saved or something that makes sense. I get the whole self sacrifice thing but in that sinario I think there is a way out that the author refused to even consider , which made her sacrifice pointless to me. And I don't think that movie will be completely true to the book for that reason.
This movie is supposed to be "more mature" than the previous movies, according to Theo James: http://www.realtytoday.com/articles/2...
There's another petition for Lionsgate to change the ending. It's on change.or by Steve Pattison
I really hope they change the ending. Another that has a different ending than the book was Stardust by Neil Gaiman, and I totally like it.
So I just read the most recent article I could find about the ending. Veronica Roth is not changing it. It will be like the book. I'm sticking to my guns and not seeing it. The story ends at Ino urgent for me. At least we know.
Darlene wrote: "So I just read the most recent article I could find about the ending. Veronica Roth is not changing it. It will be like the book. I'm sticking to my guns and not seeing it. The story ends at I..."You never know, things can change over time. Its still quite early before the movies hit theatres. I seem to remember an article on Breaking Dawn saying that they would change the ending from the book only to have it not be the case in the end per the reshooting that they did a couple of months before Part 2 came out. Lionsgate/Summit could repeat the same thing here
That would be nice. I'm just trying to not get any hopes up. I've enjoyed sharing on this blog a lot. It was really helpful for me to read other peoples' feelings. Take care everyone!
A vine went up this past hour saying movie will be like the book. So sorry to all.
Darlene wrote: "A vine went up this past hour saying movie will be like the book. So sorry to all."Shailene did not directly say that the movie would be going with the book's original ending. She only commented on it saying it was "beautiful" and "fitting". Read it closely here: http://www.vinereport.com/article/div...
As well, thinking critically about it, they haven't even started filming part 2 yet they only wrapped part 1 as they are filming both parts as separate movies with even the possibility of a new director for Part 2, so they could still change the ending if enough fans protest
I haven't even seen Insurgent. Divergent was a great book, I regret so much reading 2&3 as they ruined my impressions of the book. For me the divergent film was crap so yeah. Boycotting like hell
Marion wrote: "I haven't even seen Insurgent. Divergent was a great book, I regret so much reading 2&3 as they ruined my impressions of the book. For me the divergent film was crap so yeah. Boycotting like hell"insurgent was quite well done and an improvement over Divergent in some ways. Better pacing and use of themes. I got more emotion out of Tris in this one
I'm boycotting Allegiant unless they change this ending. We've read the books now, let us see a alternate ending. I'm not experiencing Tris's death once more. Nope. No way in hell.
Jenny wrote: "I'm boycotting Allegiant unless they change this ending. We've read the books now, let us see a alternate ending. I'm not experiencing Tris's death once more. Nope. No way in hell."if you boycott it we may never get that alternate ending. If it is successful enough we may actually get it
Darlene wrote: "A vine went up this past hour saying movie will be like the book. So sorry to all."I've seen so many "articles" claiming that the movie will stick to the book ending. All of them only list Shailene and Theo's approval of the book ending, as if their opinion has anything to do with what the filmmakers are going to do, and Veronica Roth's response to that fan petition which amounted to nothing more than re-asserting that she had reasons for ending the story that way and she still stands by what she did. Her comments, too, have nothing to do with what the movies are going to do, and she has very little involvement in what they do anyway. If there has been any official decision on how Part 2 is going to end, I very much doubt anyone is actually going to come out and reveal it.
After rereading an article from "the Christian Post", I can see how it may not definitively confirm the ending will be same. Still, I feel that Veronica Roth is going to push for the original ending. Even though she sold creative rights to the series(or something like that), she seemed very involved in the making of first 2 movies. True, it's going to be awhile before part 2 begins filming so the producers, screenwriters, etc. could still rewrite the ending.
Eh, Roth wasn't really involved in the movies. She visited the sets and read the scripts and probably gave some opinions here and there, but she didn't really have much to do with what they did. Her co-producer credit is essentially a honorary/contractual title. She doesn't really do much, and I think she's fine with that. I think she's perfectly happy to leave the filmmaking decisions to the filmmakers and accept whatever changes and tweaks they make as necessary to the process.Anyway, I have no idea what they're going to do for the ending in the movie. Though she signed over creative rights and she isn't really involved in the production, I'm sure that she will consulted on any decisions regarding a change to that particular plot point since it is a major plot point in the story as a whole. If she says "No, I don't want you guys to change the ending, she has to die, it's the whole point of the story," would they abide? Technically they don't have to if they really don't want to, unless of course that was a specific stipulation in the contract when she sold the rights in the first place. But it is a major plot point in the story and it would be a big deal to change it and go against it, especially if she said she didn't want them to, whether they legally have to listen to her or not. Who knows.
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They can do whatever they want. And as far as the author, when you sign over the rights, you also sign over creative control. How much influence the author then has depends on the particular terms of this contract, if they have script control or approval or anything. Sometimes (most of the time?) they have zero control over any of it.