Allegiant
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Who else is boycotting this movie?
Victoria wrote: "I don't know. I'm not a writer. Just a reader. All I know is I like what I like. Lol. I am interested in seeing what fanfiction a other people put out! I'm sure there will be a rush of new stories ..."Okay, I totally get it, I am not a good writer either but What other books did the authors killed off the main character in a tasteful way. Not to pick on you but everyone has been saying that and I really want to know what everyone is comparing Tris's death to.
The last time I remember reading a book where a main character was killed was Beth in Little women. Unless you SPOILER count Prim in Mockingjay but she more of a supporting character. Oh wait Tibby in Sisterhood Everlasting that was good.
Really, everyone hated prim's death, I thought it was well done but I also think that when you have only so much time to get a point across(under 600 pages) you can't draw out everything so I believe it was good. Roth didn't just say then her vision went dark, she finished Tris's character arc and that made me so freaking happy.
Oh trust me they won't. The last Maximum ride came out and it was so terrible, the readers were so pissed (it was really bad, This ending is heaven compared to that shit) but they didn't do anything about it.
I won't, it will be ruined for you; sometimes you just have to let your heart get broken to know if it was any good. I realized that I loved the Divergent books more because of the reaction I had at the end.
Don't worry sometimes we don't realize what we take from books, maybe later you will learn what it is. My librarian tells us that all the time.
I didn't have a problem with how Prim died, although I didn't like other elements of the latter chapters of Mockingjay. Her death felt ... appropriate in some way? Someone at another forum suggested that it would have been better if Tris had succumbed to the death serum. That at least, would have seemed like a death that she didn't expect (having thought she could resist it) rather than by the bullets of a gun shot by someone she probably could have easily overpowered.
Thats a cool idea, but then it would have to me seemed rash and not a proper ending for her. Also everyone keeps saying that it was stupid how she survived every other gun shot she could have survived this, but then she would have had her memory erased. I rather have her die then her memory erased and lose everything we loved about her.
She'd been inoculated against the memory serum though, hadn't she?
So would I, don't worry! But it might have seemed more realistic, although then we'd probably all be saying, 'Well, if she can survive every other serum why can't she survive this one? Does it mean she wanted to die, just like she wanted the Peace serum to affect her?'So it would probably cause fans just as many problems.
The death serum is NOT a better option, it goes against everything Veronica Roth was trying to do with the character! If she succumbed to the death serum it could mean that she really didn't want to live and that ending would have been even more worthless.When I finished the book I was literally sobbing! The last book I reacted to like that was Sisterhood Everlasting, I felt like a tragedy had occurred and couldn't do anything for the rest of the night. That being said, I feel like I'm understanding the ending more and more, don't get me wrong I still feel like my heart was torn out and stomped on but I watched the MTV interview with Roth and I understand what she was going for. I would have still preferred an ending where Tris and Four were both alive, but in a year or so maybe I'll be able to pick up the book appreciate it for what it is. I think a lot of people have trouble understanding the idea of sacrifice in stories, I know I used to think that a movie that will go unnamed was stupid because the main character died, but when I got older I saw the beauty in that ending. Sacrifice is not smart or logical in today's culture and it is seen as stupid and even weak, but the truth is that there are some things worth dying for.
I really don't understand all the absolute hate going around, she's an author who wrote the story she always intended to and respect her for it. I am going to support the movies when they come out, because they will be awesome, and hopefully when I reread the books I will enjoy them as much as ever.
Why would it mean that she really didn't want to live? She thought she could survive it, but she was wrong. It doesn't have to be anymore complex than that.
Not you but some people are so rude about other peoples opinion an they try to guilt them into changing it
I think I might see the movie if I have nothing to do, but it's not on my top priority anymore. I know I'm being unfair, but why do I have to buy a ticket to the movie I have alreday known how much I hate its ending?I'm so sorry, I just don't really care anymore, why should I? She is gonna die anyway.
I'm definitely not going to see this movie and that makes me sad. Why get attached all over again? I just can't do it knowing everything that eventually happens (not just with Tris, but with the whole thing. I hated everything about Allegiant).
I figured Tris was going to die from the first book. It still shocked me when she did but she was ready to sacrifice herself after her mother and father died. Anyway, not every book needs a happy ending. All the other deaths made sense to me and it didn't seem too out of place.
I don't need a happy ending, and I really don't think this story set itself up as having a picture-perfect happy ending at all, but I do require a logical ending that serves the narrative and feels like an organic conclusion to the story. This was just a big mess that existed to serve Veronica's convoluted and, in my opinion, inaccurate ideas and ideals. I hate that Tris's death was borne partly out of a need to honor her parents' sacrificing their own lives. That is really, really disturbing, the idea that she needed to emulate her parents' interpretation of what it means to be selfless by sacrificing herself the way she did.
I agree with Victoria, the last book was a whole lot of rubbish, although I will still go watch the first movie, the actors and the whole production are not to blame.I really hope that if there is a third movie they rewrite the ending, they did it in Gaiman's Stardust, so may be it can be done.
Anyway for me Allegiant end differently, I will take all that crappy plot that didn't lead anywhere and keep Tris and Tobias together.
I'm sorry but if people are seriously boycotting the movie because they're unhappy with the ending then you're being really childish. People worked really hard on this, people who had nothing to do with the ending of Allegiant. Boycotting the movie will do nothing to change what happened, Veronica isn't going to be like "sorry I killed Tris, since you're all boycotting the movie I'll write another ending". That's never going to happen. Your boycott will accomplish nothing. If you want her to know you didn't like the ending, then POLITELY tell her yourself.
The only people who will be hurt by you refusing to see the movie are the actors, director, and production team who spent months trying to make the best movie they could.
Unless the adaptation opts to change the ending. I have no desire to watch a film where the main protagonist dies in such unnecessary, cheap way. Her death made me feel nothing.
Hello!!!! This is not YOUR book! Veronica allowed us to go on this beautiful journey with her and all you can do is complain! She wrote the story that she had faith in! That just makes her an honest writer! I would never want an author to give me a story that she didn't believe in just to make me happy! She started writing for herself and I'm glad she didn't let us dictate HER story! I think claiming that she betrayed us is kind of ridiculous! IT IS JUST A BOOK! Not the end of the universe! Drama Queen much! She gave you a genuine story! If you don't like it read something else and CHILL OUT!
Kelyn, while it's true that it is VR's story, she gave it to us to to read and we are entitled to express our opinions on it. If writers put their work out there for the general public to read, they must expect criticism. It goes with the territory.
Your right. I apologize, you have every right to your opinion. It just breaks my heart that a week ago we were a community and now we are at war.
While I completely understand the dissapointment, I think this is getting a little out of hand? It's Roth's story, the characters are her creation. So don't you think it's entirely up to her to finish the book any way she likes? You keep talking about fanbase and betrayal, but truth be told she doesn't owe us anything!
what makes me sad are the people who are saying they will refuse to read any other books VR comes out with. Give her a break these were her first books. She wrote Divergent in college when she was 22. Is she perfect no, is she learning yes. I see her as a huge role model because she did not let her youth get in the way of achieving her dream.
Also, though I do respect your opinion (and this is in no way meant to be rude) what's with all the swearing? You can make a statement without being rude you know.
I hope she learns that you can't please everybody and write what feels right to the story. Sometimes you try to write one thing but the character insists that it must be written this way. Always listen to the characters in the story you are writing. They know the way it's supposed to go.
She didn't swear. Can we just all agree to disagree :)
Really? If shitstorm, garbage, trash and sucked are any indication.. But I'll get off your back. Good luck boycotting the movie.. I'm personally not going to watch any of them because I fear what they will do with the story on screen.
VR used profanity, do you have a problem with that?
and btw attacking someones grammar or choice of words is a really poor way to debate with someone.
Has anyone read Veronica Roth's blog post about the ending? She goes into really good detail about why she made the decision she did. I feel like a lot of anger is based off superficial reasons - you didn't want the main character to die, you love Tris, Fourtris forever, yada yada. But Veronica was telling a much bigger story than that. And she also prepared us for it (Tris' feelings about her mother, how she was scared and excited to read her mother's letters, because it was all she had left - which is quite an allegory to how we're feeling about these books). This was Tris' legacy. These were her letters to us. What we all failed to realize is that in the end, it was no longer Tris' we would relate to, it's Four. Because we are left feeling his pain, and wanting to be as strong as she was even when it hurts, to still somehow make a change. As readers, we may have cried like Four, but is there any one of you who has decided you no longer want to zip line, or kick someone's ass, or be freaking awesome like she was? Any of you who wonder if you could be as truly selfless as she was?
So that being said, here is the post from Veronica's blog. Read it or not, I think it helps to take a step back and realize that this series is not about the ending. It's about true selflessness.
http://veronicarothbooks.blogspot.com...
And I for one will definitely see this movie. It is, after all, all that's left of our favorite character, isn't it?
I saw the interview she had with MTV, I thought it was great. I can't wait to see what other writing projects she comes out with.
Look, I agree with her that it's not a bad way to end things (even do I think it's in Roth's liberty) so I'm not even in debate. I didn't mean to attack her on choice of words either, I'm simply stating or better yet asking, that we all behave like civilized people that don't bite each others heads off. Because this was a wonderful fandom and are we really going to let Roth ruin that?Also, that actually is a pretty good article/post! At least she had the decency to explain to us why she made the choices she has.
That just made me cry.....again!
I'm not boycotting the movie in the sense that I want to get 'revenge' on VR or anything, I just don't see the point in seeing it now that I know that I'm just going to lose Tris in the end. Why become emotionally invested in the movie when I know that I'm going to lose this character? I don't see the point in doing that. I don't have a lot of money, and I'm not going to spend it on a movie when I know that the outcome is one I'm not happy with.
Ariana wrote: "Has anyone read Veronica Roth's blog post about the ending? She goes into really good detail about why she made the decision she did. I feel like a lot of anger is based off superficial reasons - y..."Yes, I saw that. I understand what she was trying to achieve and I think it's a noble aim, but I believe she failed to achieve the objective. Not only that, I think that there could have been other ways to achieve the same selfless outcome that did not result in Tris' death.
And VR didn't ruin the fandom. We are ruining it by the way that we are acting. Like we are all enemies. We are all going through the same pain. We should grieve together, not fight against each other.
Lynne wrote: "I'm not boycotting the movie in the sense that I want to get 'revenge' on VR or anything, I just don't see the point in seeing it now that I know that I'm just going to lose Tris in the end. Why be..."Okay, remember that part in Allegiant where Christina is talking about how she lost so many friends, and Tris looks at her and says, "You have me, you'll always have me." And you might not have thought anything of it at the time or even when she dies. But see I WENT BACK, and reread some stuff, like that scene, or when her and Four said goodbye to each other, and I was so happy that his last words to her were "I love you, too"... and these are all things that now make you want to sob all over again, because they mean SO MUCH MORE NOW.
That's why you see the movies. Because when you watch Divergent (and when they undoubtedly butcher the movie, because that's what Hollywood does...) EVERY. SINGLE. PART. will mean soooo much more. It'll be so much more powerful now, because you KNOW. You KNOW that she dies, and that it will be awful, but you're understanding how everything she did will affect them later.
I don't know, think about it. Did Tris decide not to read those letters because she knew how it all ended? No. She was hesitant, she knew it would hurt, but it gave so much more meaning to her mother, so much more power behind the woman she loved.
And I think that's how we should view the movie and these books. Like a retelling of a story that will add so much more power to what we already know.
Yes exactly, there you have it!
Lauren wrote: "It's one thing to have your readers riled up; it's another to have them swear off reading anything you write ever again. I can't imagine many writers care for the latter."I agree with you Lauren. It's sad to see "fans" being so rude to VR because she ended the series how SHE wanted to. The ending was...brutal I will admit, but being a fan doesn't mean loving everything she does but understanding and most importantly RESPECTING her for it.
Saying things like boycotting the movie is really immature and petty. VR didn't really do anything wrong, besides doing what she thinks is right. Of course people are entitle to love or hate the book, but some people are taking it to the extreme.
Please, life isn't about happy ever after kids...would I've loved to see her live, YES...but she didn't make it...guess what, that happens in life...and what's a better way of goin' out, then for the love of your family and saving them from getting their memory erased...I think for what it was it was great....the movie is also just an adaptation of the book...so it's goin' to change, but doubt that far....go write some fan writing where she makes it if you feel so strong about it....might help..also check out a blog she has where she explains where she is coming from... https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog...
Victoria wrote: "As a reader, I don't owe her anything. So if I want to boycott her movie it isn't "immature". I'm not going to endorse a franchise I don't like. This board is about the people WHO ARE BOYCOTTING IT..."Goodreads boards are about discussion and debating, and sometimes it falls into arguing. The point is discussing books is supposed to be fun even when you're discussing it with someone who has a different opinion than you, if everyone said "OMG, I LOVE THIS" or "I HATE THIS PIECE OF TRASH" then it would be really boring and nothing of worth would be said.
In the end Goodreads is all about the love of books.
Victoria wrote: "Part of being a writer is taking criticism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Don't like this board? Leave. No one's stopping you."I never said I didn't like this board, I am simply stating my opinion. Isnt that what goodreads boards are about? Even if I don't agree with you, it's a place to discuss and to take away from those people whose opinion's differ from our own. If me stating what I feel gets you that upset, then I won't say anymore.
Ariana wrote: " It'll be so much more powerful now, because you KNOW. You KNOW that she dies, and that it will be awful, but you're understanding how everything she did will affect them later."It's nice that that is something you appreciate, but for me, I will only feel sadness. I like to be come emotionally involved in characters, whether it's in books or movies, and I don't want to invest in Tris' onscreen persona when I know I am going to lose her in the end, especially since she is the main protagonist and the vessel by which point of view is delivered in the first two stories ... although that is likely to be altered in the movies.
I couldn't believe in the ending if they changed it. I'd know it wasn't meant to be that way, so it wouldn't ring true for me.
Whether a film boycott will hurt the book author or not will depend on the kind of contract the author had with the producers. She was undoubtedly paid well (but not millions) when Summit optioned Divergent. She probably will not get much, if anything, in the way of back-end money no matter how well Divergent does.Unless the Divergent movie surprises on the upside Lionsgate may well let their options on Insurgent and Allegiant expire if this boycott thing gets going. The boycott of Lionsgate's Ender's Game certainly hurt both the reviews and the box office, which was too bad since the movie was good.
Fresh off that disappointing experience, my guess is that Lionsgate will quietly let the trilogy drop into oblivion for a year or so and then put the project into the hands of a good screenwriter and director whose mandate will be to totally rewrite the story, which IMO will be a damn good thing.
I tend to agree with an earlier post to this thread that Lionsgate's best way to salvage the situation in advance of the Divergent film debut, will be to have everyone involved stress the fact that any additional movies will probably be quite different from the books. And Woodley will have to have her mouth firmly shut by Lionsgate PR on the topic of Allegiant's ending.
I will probably see the movie or at least rent the DVD since the cast looks good and the trailer seemed interesting.
"Fresh off that disappointing experience, my guess is that Lionsgate will quietly let the trilogy drop into oblivion for a year or so and then put the project into the hands of a good screenwriter and director whose mandate will be to totally rewrite the story, which IMO will be a damn good thing. "I 100% agree that they should rewrite the entire story, not just because of the ending, but because the entire plot of Allegiant just doesn't fit. I think they should drop that whole experiment/Bureau nonsense, forget going outside altogether, and make the third movie about the actual war between the factionless and Allegiant and develop a story from there.
Wow. Melodramatic much? You guys realize that this is all fiction right?
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No hate or anything, but I would really..."
exactly. If you think you can write it better, that is what fan fiction is all about. Put your money where your mouth is and go write a better ending.