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Who else is boycotting this movie?
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Oct 25, 2013 10:39PM
so the director, crew, actors, investors, distributers, producers and hundreds other people who has worked hard on this film should suffer because of veronica roth's decisions?
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I think the ending triggered me to have panic attacks. Needless to say I'm very upset about the ending. Initially I was very excited about the movie but now I'm boycotting. the series was ruined for me. An though some bloggers have commented that VR could do as she pleased and we were lucky enough that she share it with us. That's being said I'm sorry I ever got so invested with the book and will never read the series again, will not read her Tobias shorts that I have and ones still to come and will definitely will not see the movie. VR had her right to do whatever she wanted now it's time for the Angry fans to do what they want. No violence though that's just wrong. By the way can someone please pass me the mind wiping serum because there is much I am happy to forget.
nope, the movie shouldn't take the fall for it.
zara wrote: "nope, the movie shouldn't take the fall for it."It's sad but that director Neil was told what the ending was. VR told him. He was one of the few who knew. Did it not strike him as a bad choice? If not he clearly did not understand the fan base and the fury it would ignite. VR took a gamble and she crapped out. That what happens when you role the dice and go for broke.
Victoria wrote: "A-FREAKING-MEN Memi!"Thank you, thank you very much.
Victoria wrote: "Yeah. It should. I'm all for it if they agree to end the movies differently, but she shouldn't get a movie deal for this. This novel was garbage and she shouldn't get rich off of this piece of trash."there is nothing wrong with protagonists dying if executed well, which did not happen in allegiant. if the director can actually make tris' death more dignifying in the movie, then I'm all for it.
It's sad but that director Neil was told what the ending was. VR told him. He was one of the few who knew. Did it not strike him as a ..."yeah he knew but it isn't his place to tell her what to do.
zara wrote: "Victoria wrote: "Yeah. It should. I'm all for it if they agree to end the movies differently, but she shouldn't get a movie deal for this. This novel was garbage and she shouldn't get rich off of t..."No that still would do it for me. The franchise be it books, short story, movie or merchandise will not get anymore of my money. Sad really I met Shai W and Miles T at special screening of Spectacular now and the are so down to earth and amazing.
Victoria wrote: "Well, I'd venture to say 99.999999999 percent of fans aren't for it. But you're entitled to your opinion. I still won't be seeing this movie and I doubt most fans will. Veronica Roth shot herself i..."many fans already said the plot was the biggest problem, not the ending. don't make assumptions.
zara wrote: "It's sad but that director Neil was told what the ending was. VR told him. He was one of the few who knew. Did it not strike him as a ..."yeah he knew but it isn't his place to tell her what to do."
Maybe, maybe not. he's only directing a 150 mil movie based on the first book. If Summit/Lionsgate bought the rights for Allegiant I'm sure they are freak in out. Cuz it all about the $$$
Victoria wrote: "That being said, I'll see anything else Theo, Shai, or Miles are in. They are great actors, after all. It's the principle of the thing."Agreed.
Victoria wrote: "If Summit/Lionsgate want this to be sucessful, they better get a tight grip on the rights to that movie and changing it's content. Lol"I think the main priority right now is the first movie only, they won't bother with allegiant now.
If Tris doesn't die in the movies, it's gonna be the first series where the MOVIES are actually better than the books.
Victoria wrote: "LMFAO Elekra! You are absolutely right! (:"If that's what VR wants, I guess it's gonna be a money maker?
But I'm still in shock and not sure of anything.
Victoria wrote: "If that were VR's endgame that's a bold reverse psychology scheme."It makes sense though...still, I don't agree with it. It's a bad move for her books. I'm definitely not recommending the books to anyone now. I don't want to put anyone through that! But the books ARE still good and Divergent was the best and Tris and Tobias are still one of my fave ships. In my mind, Tris and Tobias are still together because that's how its supposed to be.
I almost feel like she did this because of The Fault in Our Stars and the huge character death in that book (and it's becoming a movie too with Shailene and Ansel Elgort). Hmmm I have some ideas but won't share unless there's a soul here who hasn't read TFIOS.
What are the references to TFIOS? I seem to have missed those?
Oh right! They said that twice. Also the whole lovemaking right before one of them dies... Although that part is still unclear!
Okay, calm down everyone (and Victoria, especially). You all know you're still going to see the first movie. If Allegiant gets to be made and the end is the same? No, don't see that one. But you're all still totally going to see the first one, so don't even pretend. If the first movie was coming out in like a week or two, then it would tank because everyone is still fresh in their anger about this whole thing. But it's five months away. You'll have all calmed down long before then. In a few weeks the anger and disappointment will ebb and you will remember all the things you liked about how this series started, and you'll want to relive the first installment, at least, on the big screen. You are totally going to go. Don't pretend.I haven't read where Neil Burger was told how the story ended. I read that he was given a copy of the book beforehand, but he said he refused to open it. I did distinctly read that the only people who had read the entire book were Veronica's husband, her agents, and the team at the publishing house. How it still went to the printer the way it was written is another mystery.
I'm torn on the question of whether Allegiant the movie would change the ending, if they actually get to make the entire series. SHOULD they change it? Probably. But will they? On the one hand, I completely get the point of the ending, and to me, it totally works on a concept and character level, but Veronica failed in the execution and it came off as senseless and pointless and shocking for shock value's sake, so the majority of her audience rejected it. Not cool. But it was the point of her story, and a part of me (the writer who understands what it's like to feel strongly about your work and what it stands for) kind of feels bad that the studio would change the ending -- the theme of the entire series -- just because people didn't like it.
But on the other hand, it's a different business. Writers write because they have visions and they believe in those visions, regardless of whether or not it's commercial or popular. Movies are in the business of making money. And a part of me can't really see the filmmakers going through producing the movie the way the story was given in the book, knowing that the majority of the fandom hated it so much that they won't even bother to see the movie because of it, are threatening to not bother to watch ANY of the movies. From a filmmaking perspective, it would be wise to tweak/change the ending. They do it all the time. After all, it's a film ADAPTATION. It doesn't mean the movie has to follow the book's plotline to the letter, or even remotely closely at all. Hell, they can change up the entire plot for the third book altogether -- it was pretty weak anyway. In fact, that's the one thing that sort of taints my enjoyment of the series now. Not the big ending, but the plot of the book and the big revelation of why they were there. I didn't think the experiment explanation was particularly good and made absolutely NO logical sense, and it kind of makes me look at it all differently now that I know what's really pulling the strings, and the puppetmaster isn't even interesting. I'm just going to do what I suggest everyone do: Rewrite Allegiant in your head and pretend that's what really happened when they crossed the fence. I've actually got a whole new (and, IMO, better) explanation in my head and I'm toying with writing an entirely new version of Allegiant as a fan fiction novel. Hee.
zara wrote: "Victoria wrote: "If Summit/Lionsgate want this to be sucessful, they better get a tight grip on the rights to that movie and changing it's content. Lol"I think the main priority right now is the ..."
(Zara) Her agent, editor, and publisher should have "helped her" understand that her "sense of self-sacrifice" was twisted and short sighted. I think a writer needs to be aware and appreciate her readers in the bigger scheme of things, and obviously she wrote this simply for her own sense of fulfillment. I think it is fair that she continue to reap those seeds of patting herself on the back - and receive the marketing rewards her efforts bring upon the franchise. There is enough blame for each of them.
Haha, you know, I really wish I hadn't gotten the idle thought of rewriting Allegiant as fan fiction. The more I craft the story in my head, the more I hate the real book.
Lauren wrote: "Okay, calm down everyone (and Victoria, especially). You all know you're still going to see the first movie. If Allegiant gets to be made and the end is the same? No, don't see that one. But yo..."Lauren, don't speak for me. I'm not going to see the movie. Oh and yes I'm not pretending. At a comic con SD interview w/ Shai W, Theo, VR and Neil. Shai W. said she didn't know the ending and VR wouldn't tell her but in that interview VR said she told Neil.
Okay, fine, you're not "pretending." It's more of a "You say that NOW, but in a few months..." thing. The movie doesn't come out tomorrow; you have a good while to erase Allegiant from your memory and fall back in love with the original story.
Lauren wrote: "Okay, fine, you're not "pretending." It's more of a "You say that NOW, but in a few months..." thing. The movie doesn't come out tomorrow; you have a good while to erase Allegiant from your memory..."No I won't. like Victoria said it a matter principal.
Diane wrote: "zara wrote: "Victoria wrote: "If Summit/Lionsgate want this to be sucessful, they better get a tight grip on the rights to that movie and changing it's content. Lol"I think the main priority righ..."
diane,
I get where you are coming from but I don't think the first book should suffer for what happened in the last book. Veronica is not the only person involved in the divergent movie, there are producers, actors and investors as well. it's unfair that the whole team behind the movie should take the fall for something that happened in allegiant.
I do think they should change Allegiant, should they get to make that movie, and I think it would be wise for Neil Burger and Summit Entertainment to make public as soon as possible the hint, at least, that the movies do not have to follow the book's plot to the T. Reassure the fans that the movie may not necessarily end the way the book did, so they will be encouraged to stick through with watching the movies as planned.
Lauren wrote: "I do think they should change Allegiant, should they get to make that movie, and I think it would be wise for Neil Burger and Summit Entertainment to make public as soon as possible the hint, at le..."Veronica failed to execute tris' death with dignity, it pretty much cheapened her character. however what if the movie does it better? would you still be opposed to it?
I don't have a problem with the death in concept, so if it had been written better in the book I would been singing a different tune. If the screenwriter can fix Veronica's shortcomings, then I would support them sticking to the ending as is. But we wouldn't know how "fixed" the execution would be until we actually sat through the movie. As long as people know that the movie is still going to follow the same ending as the book, a good portion are not going to bother to go. To be honest, I probably wouldn't bother either because, quite frankly, the rest of the story just wasn't interesting and I wouldn't really care about watching it on screen, no matter how many times they make Theo James take his shirt off. It's really a gamble for the filmmakers -- a lot of people hate the ending on principal enough to not want to watch the movies at all. They might be able to write the ending in a way that would have made everyone happier about the book had the book been written like that, but you'd have to convince them to get to the theater to watch it.
I don't understand why everyone is complaining about Veronica Roth. She finished her story how she wanted to...it is hers to do with as she pleases. Yes, the fans can be upset...but isn't that a sign of a good author who can cause these feelings in people? People need to give Roth a break and commend her on a job well done....she is a young and now successful published author.
It's one thing to have your readers riled up; it's another to have them swear off reading anything you write ever again. I can't imagine many writers care for the latter.
Pms Mrsmoose wrote: "I don't understand why everyone is complaining about Veronica Roth. She finished her story how she wanted to...it is hers to do with as she pleases. Yes, the fans can be upset...but isn't that a si..."Well I wish she would have kept the story in her head instead of messing with all of ours just for the shock factor or to preach. Don't need and don't want it.
Lauren wrote: "Okay, calm down everyone (and Victoria, especially). You all know you're still going to see the first movie. If Allegiant gets to be made and the end is the same? No, don't see that one. But yo..."I totally agree! The first movie probably won't even be that close to Divergent... because you never really know with the movie industry. Also the whole experiments thing doesn't make sense to me. Their world is still upside down, a mess. I don't see why the experiments were necessary at all. The whole worldbuilding was not written well.
Victoria wrote: "The whole book was unclear because it sucked. I will never pay money for this movie. Ever."Also, the ending! About the we "mend eachother". It's kind of like TFIOS in the way it ended with, we choose who we hurt in this world. It's vague, but I don't know. I feel like VR almost felt threatened by TFIOS and wanted a similar reaction for her book (Although I know VR and John Green are friends).
Elektra wrote: "Victoria wrote: "The whole book was unclear because it sucked. I will never pay money for this movie. Ever."Also, the ending! About the we "mend eachother". It's kind of like TFIOS in the way it ..."
I highly doubt that. Her books are popular in their own right.
zara wrote: "Elektra wrote: "Victoria wrote: "The whole book was unclear because it sucked. I will never pay money for this movie. Ever."Also, the ending! About the we "mend eachother". It's kind of like TFI..."
You're right, but it's pretty obvious how much the TFIOS fandom is supporting the standalone movie.
Elektra wrote: "zara wrote: "Elektra wrote: "Victoria wrote: "The whole book was unclear because it sucked. I will never pay money for this movie. Ever."Also, the ending! About the we "mend eachother". It's kin..."
tfios was a standalone, we didn't connect to augustus waters as much as we connected to tris because divergent was a series. also, it's easier to accept his death because it was cancer.
I don't think veronica roth was trying to emulate john green, she wrote the ending she thought was most honest ending possible but it back fired.
zara wrote: "Elektra wrote: "zara wrote: "Elektra wrote: "Victoria wrote: "The whole book was unclear because it sucked. I will never pay money for this movie. Ever."Also, the ending! About the we "mend eac..."
Agreed!
I just finished this book and I'm still debating on whether or not I liked it. But I wont watch the movie, and It's not because of the ending or anything like that its just books to movies don't get translated well. Other than Harry Potter I haven't seen a book to movie movie that I haven't wanted to destroy. Though as upset as the Divergent fan base is I don't see this movie doing well. I'm not mad at Mrs/Ms Roth I'd read some of her other stuff. I'm just too emotionally frazzled by all that went on in this last one. I'm sure that's how she intended us to be. Eh
Lynisha wrote: "I just finished this book and I'm still debating on whether or not I liked it. But I wont watch the movie, and It's not because of the ending or anything like that its just books to movies don't ge..."Frazzled yes but I hear people are saying they want ti bodily harm her. Not down for that. Yes she messed with our heads and I am off the VR band wagon for good wont read another book or short she makes but I don't wish her harm.
It's absolutely stupid to send death threats to VR! It's just a book, fake characters. No need to harm a person.
Elektra wrote: "It's absolutely stupid to send death threats to VR! It's just a book, fake characters. No need to harm a person."Agreed.
Personally I never wanted to watch the movies because it was the kind of series that I didn't believe could transfer well to the screen and I didn't want it to destroy my own mental image of what happened. However had I wanted to see the movies before I currently wouldn't want to now. Mainly because I can think of only one thing I liked and a million things I hated! I hated that characters were mentioned and never dealt with like Marlene who is brought up in the third book for no reason or characters like Nita who are never given a conclusion. I also hated the fact that she gave no explanation for why the bureau never dealt with Minneapolis or St. Louis since both were also under the faction system and weren't even shown or given a conclusion the way Chicago was which to me was a major missed opportunity. The fact that Tobias mother did a total one eighty in mere seconds is unrealistic especially because the entire scene in the city was lame, boring, and the kind of resolution you expect from a teenager trying to finish a story for an assignment not a famous published author. The fact that Peter losing his memory was so close to Lockhart doing the exact same thing in Harry Potter I could spit. The unnecessary increase in sexual tension that made the books awkward to read at times because they weren't even done properly. And finally the death of Tris which felt forced and unnecessary especially since the sudden appearance of an antidote of the death serum seems incredibly far fetched and felt like something she made up so she could kill Tris off which is not what a good author does. Authors don't break the rules of their own world and certainty not to kill of a beloved character that was central to the entire series just to be shocking to a fan based that anticipated this book like children on Christmas Eve. I was totally and completely disappointed in this book and plan to never read, see, or think about this series again.
Lauren wrote: "Okay, calm down everyone (and Victoria, especially). You all know you're still going to see the first movie. If Allegiant gets to be made and the end is the same? No, don't see that one. But yo..."I'm going to say once again, I'm not going to see the movie. The 3rd book made the 1st 2 stories pointless. There were too many things wrong with Allegiant to count. Tris death was meaningless. Tobias became someone that I didn't know and didn't really like any more. Uriah died only so she could make Tobias feel guilty. All these things happened for no purpose whatsoever. If the studio bought the rights to this knowing that the 3rd book was so weak then they deserve what they get.
Pms Mrsmoose wrote: "I don't understand why everyone is complaining about Veronica Roth. She finished her story how she wanted to...it is hers to do with as she pleases. Yes, the fans can be upset...but isn't that a si..."You must not be actually reading the reviews. Some fans are upset about the ending but quite a few of us are more upset about the quality of this book. The POVs were confusing and didn't mesh well, there were plot holes that you could have flown a plane through, numerous pointless deaths and one of the most unbelievable things in my opinion was that Evelyn the tyrant, surrendered because Tobias ASKED her to. I wish he had thought to do that at the end of insurgent. If he had, we wouldn't have had to read this trash!
Karen wrote: "Personally I never wanted to watch the movies because it was the kind of series that I didn't believe could transfer well to the screen and I didn't want it to destroy my own mental image of what h..."Well said Karen! I agree completely
Tris' ultimate sacrifice was rendered meaningless because roth failed to SHOW us how exactly the government changed. she spends the last few pages telling us that the society is different now and there is more equality between the GD/GP but she should have expanded more on it. we should have SEEN how the memory reset effected the bureau and what the government thought about that or that tris' death set a revolution in motion. this is why despite the positive changes within society, the ending still remains bleak because we never see any of those changes.here is an fascinating insight into tris' death http://bleuwrites.tumblr.com/post/648...
This is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. I am kind of glad she had the guts to kill off Tris. Did I not like Tris, no I freaking love her but if she would have lived I would never get this sense of closure from the book; I will never have to wonder how the rest of her life went and thats a burden off my shoulders. I did though dislike most of the book plot because it was really slow and only got fast near the end. Roth makes me proud, no other author has the balls to do this kind of risky move, I know you all got attached to Tris and I am too but she isn't real. Your heart is crushed now but you will move on and maybe later you will see that you wrong about the ending.Again this is my opinion please don't send me comments full of hate.
I think some of you need to grow up. It wasn't a senseless death, have you even read the other books? I thought it was written beautifully. Who needs another book with some fake happy ending, just to keep the children happy? If they change the ending of the last movie when they make it, that is when I will be disappointed. By the way, Tris isn't a real person, no need to be nasty about the author.
Victoria wrote: "Also, I have no problem with character deaths when they're done right. But this one, unfortunately, was not, so sorry not sorry: hated it."No hate or anything, but I would really like to know how you would have ended it? Which way would you have killed her off to make done right?
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