What do you think of authors 'hitching a ride'?

[Marc]

Jim wrote: "But no book offers a person their own time, because unless you actually write the book about that person and see the universe through their eyes, the book mirroring to them their lives as they read... Even if the book is set in the here and now, it's not their here and now, it's a here and now they can only reach through the pages of your book."

I accept that last part, but then historical fiction too is precisely that, fiction not history. It is fiction set in an avowedly past time but also one that does not exist as portrayed. All fiction as you say is set in the past even when written initially in a contemporaneity, just for me that historical context isn't a significant factor in my books. As much as possible I strip out historical landmarks and touchstones and my 'Liverpool' would be a Liverpool of my mind, full in the knowledge I have never even visited that city in my life. But like I say, different strokes, and probably different readerships

[Jim]

Absolutely Marc, and equally valid because the world you create is the world your readers want to escape into or to share (or however we define the reading process).

[Marc]

Jim wrote: "Absolutely Marc, and equally valid because the world you create is the world your readers want to escape into or to share (or however we define the reading process)."

in my case it's slightly more complicated, all the time I use fiction to question the things we take for reality.

I wrote a blog post on the relationship of fiction and reality if you're interested http://sulcicollective.blogspot.co.uk...

[A.L.]

It depends on the writers and of course WHAT is being written. I used to co-write something with another author friend and that worked well enough, OK it wasn't for public consumption but it was still good writing practice. Anthologies work very well too.

[A.L.]

Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Jim wrote: "They'd wait a long time, I don't buy that much fiction any more, normally just writers I follow and I mainly read a lot of non-fiction"

Likewise for me. History books are..."

There is a great line in Jesus Christ Superstar, "The truth is not easy to define; we both have truth is yours the same as mine?"

[R.M.F.]

A.L. wrote: "Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Jim wrote: "They'd wait a long time, I don't buy that much fiction any more, normally just writers I follow and I mainly read a lot of non-fiction"

Likewise for me. Hist..."

Don't get meta-physical with me! :)

This is goodreads where anything more complicated than a bacon sandwich will confuse people!! :)

[Marc]

R.M.F wrote: "A.L. wrote: "Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Jim wrote: "They'd wait a long time, I don't buy that much fiction any more, normally just writers I follow and I mainly read a lot of non-fiction"

Likewise..."

That's just a risk I'm prepared to run

[Patti (baconater)]

Excuse me?

I'm frequently confused by bacon sandwiches.

[Marc]

Patti (baconater) wrote: "Excuse me?

I'm frequently confused by bacon sandwiches."

In what way?

[Gingerlily - The Full Wild]

Why they disappear so quickly!

[Marc]

Jim wrote: "Absolutely Marc, and equally valid because the world you create is the world your readers want to escape into or to share (or however we define the reading process)."

Just to gloss on this, I'm with Bertolt Brecht that I want to remind the reader all the time that what they are reading is fiction, in order to hopefully start an undercurrent of how that does relate back to their current world/life. Brecht never wanted his theatre audience to suspend belief in order to enter the world of the play, he kept dragging them back to the fact they were in a theatre watching actors playing characters.

[Marc]

Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Why they disappear so quickly!"

the velocity of disappearance is directly proportional to the severity of the hangover the sandwich is supposed to overcome

[Gingerlily - The Full Wild]

Marc wrote: "Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Why they disappear so quickly!"

the velocity of disappearance is directly proportional to the severity of the hangover the sandwich is supposed to overcome"


Ah, but I haven't had a hangover in many years, and my bacon sandwiches still disappear in a few seconds.

[Marc]

Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Marc wrote: "Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Why they disappear so quickly!"

the velocity of disappearance is directly proportional to the severity of the hangover the sandwich is suppose..."

Muscle memory :-)

[R.M.F.]

Patti (baconater) wrote: "Excuse me?

I'm frequently confused by bacon sandwiches."

Me too. Should you put the bacon on the bread before the sauce or vice versa? Decisions! :)

[Gingerlily - The Full Wild]

Sauce? I'm all for the naked bacon!

[Marc]

Crackling, I mean cracking

[R.M.F.]

Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Sauce? I'm all for the naked bacon!"

You would ignore brown sauce on a bacon sandwich?

Bacon and brown sauce is like Torvill and Dean, Richard and Judy, chalk and cheese, fish and chips... you get the gist :)

[Marc]

R.M.F wrote: "Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Sauce? I'm all for the naked bacon!"

You would ignore brown sauce on a bacon sandwich?

Bacon and brown sauce is like Torvill and Dean, Richard and Judy, ..."

some of those couplings are not exactly recommendations

[Jud]

Chalk and cheese is the odd one out there

[Will]

And merlot was missing. It goes well with more merlot.

[Gingerlily - The Full Wild]

Will wrote: "And merlot was missing. It goes well with more merlot."

You have thoroughly tested this?

[R.M.F.]

Jud (Disney Diva) wrote: "Chalk and cheese is the odd one out there"

Shakes head at error...

[R.M.F.]

Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Sauce? I'm all for the naked bacon!"

You would ignore brown sauce on a bacon sandwich?

Bacon and brown sauce is like Torvill and Dean, Rich..."

I won't hear a bad word against Richard and Judy - the inspiration for Alan Partridge!

[Marc]

R.M.F wrote: "Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Sauce? I'm all for the naked bacon!"

You would ignore brown sauce on a bacon sandwich?

Bacon and brown sauce is like Torvill a...

I won't hear a bad word against Richard and Judy - the inspiration for Alan Partridge!
"

Richard: pr***** *d*** with no j********
Judy: a******** s**k who tr******* on sc*** with **s
(well you said you didn't want to hear any bad words)

Give me Partridge any day

[Rosemary (grooving with the Picts)]

Brown sauce is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near bacon.

[Jim]

Rosemary Jean-Luc wrote: "Brown sauce is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near bacon."

I'd like to formally second this.
If Bacon (or sausage) is any good then it doesn't need sauce!

[Gingerlily - The Full Wild]

Bacon definitely doesn't need sauce. I'm not so sure about sausages, but maybe I just don't eat good ones...

[Will]

Gingerlily - Expendable Redshirt wrote: "Will wrote: "And merlot was missing. It goes well with more merlot."

You have thoroughly tested this?"

Perhaps I should do some more research

[Gingerlily - The Full Wild]

Good idea Will. It would be terrible to have under-researched.

[Jim]

never knowingly under-researched

[Will]

Is under research some sort of fashion accessory, then?

[Jim]

dunno, don't do fashion :-(

[Patti (baconater)]

Yes you do.

You bought the flat cap.

[R.M.F.]

Rosemary Jean-Luc wrote: "Brown sauce is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near bacon."

Heretic! You'll all suffer!! :)

[R.M.F.]

Jim wrote: "Rosemary Jean-Luc wrote: "Brown sauce is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near bacon."

I'd like to formally second this.
If Bacon (or sausage) is any good then it doesn't n..."

See above post.

[Jud]

Rosemary Jean-Luc wrote: "Brown sauce is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near bacon."

Hear, hear!

[Jim]

It looks as if there will be no meeting of minds on this matter

[Will]

There's no need for a meeting of minds.

Those denying the brown sauce are doomed for all eternity.

[Patti (baconater)]

Can we just all please just get along?

[Shaun]

Patti (baconater) wrote: "Can we just all please just get along?"

No.

[Patti (baconater)]

Okay.

Shall we all thumb wrestle?

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Rosemary Jean-Luc wrote: "Brown sauce is the work of the devil, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near bacon."

On the other hand Guinness brown sauce is a rare exception!

[Patti (baconater)]

Guinness brown sauce?


Details please!

[R.M.F.]

Jim wrote: "It looks as if there will be no meeting of minds on this matter"

Give me brown sauce on bacon, or give me death! :)

[[deleted user]]

Patti (baconater) wrote: "Guinness brown sauce?


Details please!"

Its available from HP.

[Jim]

R.M.F wrote: "Jim wrote: "It looks as if there will be no meeting of minds on this matter"

Give me brown sauce on bacon, or give me death! :)"

I thought the two were pretty well synonymous, socially at least?