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Q.f.D. (Not for the faint of heart)
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Marley
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Jun 23, 2009 12:11AM
Well, talk to you later! Peace!<3
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Me and my little sister just tried to do a little late night french lesson with the french dictionary and failed miserably. Then we tried to have little small talk in french and my sister couldn't remember her lines, lol.
Marley wrote: "I did. I've seen ur utube videos too I think, lolz."
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Chandani wrote: "I here...."You still hate me? hahhahaha
Did you guys ever meet Kenny?? The truly most awesomest person to ever ever be on goodreads ever?!?! BECAUSE HE WAS SUPER FUCKING AWESOME AND NOW HES GONE!!!
Davis wrote: "Dude. Franz Kafka! No one has heard of him?1?!"I love Kafka!
(sorry. that was very random and late i just couldn't help it!)
*hugs Laur* I'm sorrys, my internet was out for a while....grrrr... Kenny, I remember making a south-park related joke on a thread about his disappearance...
Liz wrote: "Davis wrote: "Dude. Franz Kafka! No one has heard of him?1?!"I love Kafka!
(sorry. that was very random and late i just couldn't help it!)"
How can you like such great literature and still be as close-minded as you are?
Davis wrote: "Does that mean if you live a sheltered life, our home-schooled and spoon-fed ideology by your parents that your 4 years old emotionally? Because that is how I view it. "If you want to view it that way, than sure. But I'm not the one acting like a two-year-old and cussing at someone non-stop for no good reason. Seriously, cussing gets you no where and just makes you sound like an idiot to me.
ANYWAY, I teach myself. My parents provide the text books and I teach myself so no, I haven't been spoon-fed ideology. I've found it myself. Of course, you'll never believe me, so why am I even trying?
Of course, I think there are times to use it. I try not to cuss but these groups have tended to bring out the worst in me xD But over all cussing (especially F-bombs... when is that word ever needed when instead of sayign WTF you can say WTH?) just makes people sound ignorant because they could've replace it with a more intellegent word.But like I said, there are times where cussing is acceptable and sometimes even needed. I just don't like going through post after post or sentence after sentence, which is the case with Davis a great majority of the time when he's "talking" to me, reading F-bombs and other cuss words.
But I was telling him that it gets him nowhere with me when he cusses.
:)
I can completely agree, Jayda. My sentiment exactly!How can you like such great literature and still be as close-minded as you are?
Close-minded? Would you look who is talking! You appear to live by the ideology that your way is the just and only way and are not open to ideas that differ from your own. You rudely shoot them down, dismissing the person who voices those beliefs as ignorant and childish. How hypocritical is it for you to insist that I am close-minded?
EXTREMELY.
Actually, I can appreciate good literature because I am OPEN MINDED that others have legitimate ideas and beliefs and am not limited to my hard set values, but can explore other points and then form my well-rounded, considered conclusion.
Liz wrote: "I can completely agree, Jayda. My sentiment exactly!How can you like such great literature and still be as close-minded as you are?
Close-minded? Would you look who is talking! You appear to li..."
I agree, Liz :) Yay! <3
Both of you are ridiculous fucking harpies.Jayda, weather or not you believe so, you are merely a mirror of your environment, sorry to burst your bubble.
"Close-minded? Would you look who is talking! You appear to live by the ideology that your way is the just and only way and are not open to ideas that differ from your own. You rudely shoot them down, dismissing the person who voices those beliefs as ignorant and childish. How hypocritical is it for you to insist that I am close-minded?"
It's not that I don't take your guys' ideas into consideration, I really do. I just fail to see the logic behind ANY of it. Like seriously, why follow the worst economic system ever invented
(trickle-down economics) or ban women from controlling their own bodies?
"Actually, I can appreciate good literature because I am OPEN MINDED that others have legitimate ideas and beliefs and am not limited to my hard set values, but can explore other points and then form my well-rounded, considered conclusion."
I'm sure you have heard this but I will say it again: I read news from all 3 viewpoints (liberal, independent, and conservative). I read literature by people as liberal as Al Franken and as conservative as Ayn Rand.
Both of you keep insisting that there is something wrong with ME, without ever taking a look at YOURSELVES.
"Jayda, weather or not you believe so, you are merely a mirror of your environment, sorry to burst your bubble."Then I don't see how you are any different, especially considering you don't even know my environment.
"Both of you keep insisting that there is something wrong with ME, without ever taking a look at YOURSELVES."
Oh, trust me, I look at myself at the time. In fact, I'm working on myself right now, trying not to react to the outer barrier of a person but rather getting to know the entire picture. I'm also trying to not be so blunt with people in real life. I think I look at myself. Probably not enough, but at least I do.
Do you?
"Do you?"I meditate everyday, keep a journal of my reactions towards people, I write poetry about my life, I have a spiritual adviser that I am in contact with every couple days, I have worked the twelve steps of Alcoholics Anonymous
I think that it is safe to say I take a look at myself everyday, really hard.
"Then I don't see how you are any different, especially considering you don't even know my environment."
Because I condition my environment to be bipartisan. Literature and news from all sorts of sources, I have conservative and liberal friends, I regularly attend the UU church, which contains people from many different denominations, I read philosophy branching from Nietzsche to Sartre to Kierkegaard to Plato...trust me, my environment is from being one-sided.
"If you want to view it that way, than sure. But I'm not the one acting like a two-year-old and cussing at someone non-stop for no good reason. Seriously, cussing gets you no where and just makes you sound like an idiot to me."http://www.goodreads.com/story/show/4...
"trust me, my environment is from being one-sided."And mine is, as well. Who are you to judge my environment and the way I am without even knowing how I live day to day, what I'm surrounded with, what kind of a past I have? For all you know I could've been terribly abused or completely shunned. You have no idea, so who are you to judge without knowing me?
As I've already said, I study from all different sides and sources, I also have conservative and liberal friends, I go to a church where people have different views (politically - there's a reason I go to that church - because of their religious viewpoints being the same as mine), I make sure to try and take into account everything from different sides. That's how I became a libertarian and even though I keep having to explain that to you, you can't seem to remember it. There are reasons I am the way I am, and reasons for the things I believe.
And this is what I have been continually trying to tell you: I gave you my reasoning for being a liberal and you never wrote up your reasoning for being a libertarian so can I begin to understand when all I see is a little Mormon girl who is home-schooled, has never been kissed, and believes the same way politically that her parents do?
Paige wrote: "When you put it like that, it sounds like a molding."That's because she has been molded, like we all have. It is just a matter of who or what molded you.
Davis wrote: "And this is what I have been continually trying to tell you: I gave you my reasoning for being a liberal and you never wrote up your reasoning for being a libertarian so can I begin to understand w..."I haven't had the time. And is there even a point in typing it up when all you'll do is deny it, bash it, and hate it, anyway? I don't see the point in trying with you anymore when you don't seem to consider other's feelings and the way they treat and react to things.
I'm home schooled because of my medical conditions. Deal with it.
I've never been kissed because I've never cared to or even tried. Not a big deal.
I think differently than my parents in several things. My mom is a strong libertarian and my dad is more conservative than anything. I'm in the middle of them, in a sense. I have my own opinions and have based my own opinions off of the things that I've studied, NOT what they believe.
"I don't see the point in trying with you anymore when you don't seem to consider other's feelings and the way they treat and react to things."And you do? I have never seen any evidence of this. And in fact, the reason I'm a liberal is because I capable of empathy you couldn't even imagine.
"I'm home schooled because of my medical conditions. Deal with it."
I'm not saying it is a bad thing, it is just a fact.
"I've never been kissed because I've never cared to or even tried. anyone. Not a big deal."
Once again, not a bad thing, just fact.
"I think differently than my parents in several things. My mom is a strong libertarian and my dad is more conservative than anything. I'm in the middle of them, in a sense. I have my own opinions and have based my own opinions off of the things that I've studied, NOT what they believe."
Riiiight. So please tell me why you believe Trickle-down economics works. However I will add a warning; if anything is a blatant lie or fallacy, I will point that out.
"I was raised in a household of free-thinking. My mother let me learn things on my own with no coaching, so I was able to form my own opinions a lot sooner in life. I was lucky."That's how my parents are, though, and Davis can't seem to grasp that concept because I'm a libertarian, I guess :)
"My mother let me learn things on my own with no coaching, so I was able to form my own opinions a lot sooner in life. I was lucky."Same.
"That's how my parents are, though, and Davis can't seem to grasp that concept because I'm a libertarian, I guess :)"It's because it is a blatant lie. Anyone left to their own devices never thinks the way you do, it just isn't possible for anyone to condemn so many people they haven't even ever met.
"And you do? I have never seen any evidence of this. And in fact, the reason I'm a liberal is because I capable of empathy you couldn't even imagine."Oh, sure. You've definitely shown empathy towards me and other people on this board. I've REALLY been able to tell! -sarcasm- If you truly have empathy, maybe you'll learn to show it through your posts?
"Riiiight. So please tell me why you believe Trickle-down economics works. However I will add a warning; if anything is a blatant lie or fallacy, I will point that out."
No matter what I say you’ll think it’s a blatant lie or fallacy. Is there any point in trying?
I actually would’ve gone into it but I have to go watch a show before I go to bed. I have to get up early again x.x Talk to you later!
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*ponders being offended*
Do you guys enjoy arguing?
"Oh, sure. You've definitely shown empathy towards me and other people on this board. I've REALLY been able to tell! -sarcasm- If you truly have empathy, maybe you'll learn to show it through your posts?"Am I not allowed a vice? Me and Liz actually had quite a pleasant literary conversation earlier. My main problem is just with you; I don't like you, I don't like anything you do, I don't like anything you represent, I don't like anything you believe in...and yet somehow, you portray me as the fucking bad guy. It is so infuriating because you are so obviously the evil, fucked-up one.
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That's why you don't give them the dollar, exactly, but give it to the people working to help them. Buy food for a shelter with it, make sure it's used for the right reasons.
"My question for you is, I've somewhat gathered that you are somewhat protaganistic(if it's a word) and so I'm curious to know how you are so empathetic towards humanity when deep down you know that it could all be a lie when they need help.This is not an attack of any sort, it's just something I was wondering about because I would gladly hand someone a dollar if I saw that they needed it, but deep down, I'm thinking, they're probably going to go buy drugs or something with it."
My answer: It doesn't fucking matter what they spend their money on. If a drug habit is going to keep them going, then that is what they are going to spend their money on. I was a drug addict for 2 years and I know it is extremely extremely hard to get away from that. If my 5 dollars was able to buy them a hit that allows them to escape their fucked-up reality, then I'm glad I did it.
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Lauren wrote: "But that doesn't help their overall situation in the least. It almost prolongs it. "They, by all stats and figures I have in the US, aren't going to be able to overcome it. Homelessness is a fucking tragedy in the states because once your there, your pretty much stuck there. I give them the money with no expectations. Who am I to tell them what they can or can't buy? I am not their overseer or their parent. Once they have received the money I gave them, it is theirs, I have no claim to it.
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Lauren wrote: "But I couldn't give them money knowing that I'm only putting off the inevitable end. "I have no problem with it. Their lives already fucked up irretrievably, why make it worse for them?
Everyone dies anyway, so isn't all that we do just means to an inevitable end?
Davis wrote: "I don't like anything you believe in...and yet somehow, you portray me as the fucking bad guy."
I'm not sure if you care, but I used to think, Davis, that you just happened to be right about things but if you did happen to be wrong, you'd be too arrogant and stubborn to change your mind. Which worried me? Not that it's my job to worry about you. But it made me dislike you a little. But after reading one of your essays, the one that the other person read, I don't remember who, and said you were a wonderful writer and you were very humble about it all, I changed my mind. I like you a lot more now and you've earned all my respect.
I'm not sure if you care, but I used to think, Davis, that you just happened to be right about things but if you did happen to be wrong, you'd be too arrogant and stubborn to change your mind. Which worried me? Not that it's my job to worry about you. But it made me dislike you a little. But after reading one of your essays, the one that the other person read, I don't remember who, and said you were a wonderful writer and you were very humble about it all, I changed my mind. I like you a lot more now and you've earned all my respect.
"I'm not sure if you care, but I used to think, Davis, that you just happened to be right about things but if you did happen to be wrong, you'd be too arrogant and stubborn to change your mind. Which worried me? Not that it's my job to worry about you. But it made me dislike you a little. But after reading one of your essays, the one that the other person read, I don't remember who, and said you were a wonderful writer and you were very humble about it all, I changed my mind. I like you a lot more now and you've earned all my respect."Thank you very much :)
"Great point Davis, but it's hard to just do that and not feel used. Like, I worked for that money so that someone else could escape their existence because they are unhappy...
I totally understand that the US is terrible when it comes to helping our homeless, but still, if we just give them handouts, we aren't helping the situation either. I know that it's crap, but the US needs to pull together and figure a way to help the homeless. But I know that won't happen for a long time."
Put yourself in their shoes and the decision becomes easy.
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