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Lorien Legacies - What If? Game

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Cassidy Its highly unlikely, but perhaps. It definitely would help jumpstart the whole 'Remaking of Lorien" thing they have their minds set on. Also, none of them could use the excuse of there not being enough Loric to go around... maybe they would stop hooking up with the humans! Im hoping there is some kind of plot twist like that, anyways!

What if, (assuming everyone has read The Lost Files), Nine's original Cepan had survived and Nine had made it to the ship on time?


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Liz Sandor would be dead. ( :( ) Nine probably wouldn't have been Nine, his early arrival woukd have altered the number order massively, he would most likely have been number Five, Six, or Seven, Nine was furthest away from the ship anyway, and I can't see Daxin beating Brandon/Henri.

On earth, he wouldn't have had the penthouse, and would probably have trained less and gone to school. I have a hunch that he would have been captured earlier, because Daxin didn't really appear to know what he was getting into from what we see through Sandor's eyes. He seemed a bit naive.

What if Lorien hadn't been invaded, but the Cepan and the Garde were at war with each other?


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Starcrystal The numbered Garde would not have gone to Earth. The Garde would have won the war because let's face it, how do you win a war against a multitude of people with powers to control, like, everything? You don't.

What if Five had not been the traitor, Six had, and Five found Four in Paradise instead?


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Liz It would have been a just guys trip and Sam wouldn't have fallen for Six. When she betrayed them it would have a bigger impact.

What if Eight liked Six instead of Marina?


Ethan Sam would be heartbroken, Six furious when she woke up during the Fall of Five, and through her rage, she probably would kill Five.

Maybe she should have fallen for Eight instead of Marina.

What if the police hadn't ambushed John during his visit to Sarah in the Power of Six?


Cassidy Then they wouldn't have had to rescue Sarah from where Ra was holding her, therefore eliminating everything that happened there, and i doubt there would be quite as much 'Sarah hate' because it would't have looked like she betrayed everyone.

What if Sandor hadn't made Nine get out more, and he'd never met that human girl and fell in love with her?


Ethan Then Sandor might still be alive, or at least would have lived a little longer, Madison (I think that was her name) and her family might still be alive, albeit separated, and Nine would never have gotten captured, thus meaning John wouldn't rescue him, Sam probably would have still been captured searching for his dad, John never would have found the plug for the tablet and wouldn't have gone to New Mexico (at least not until Ella talked to him) and he would've joined the group later. Meanwhile, Nine might've still been with his Cepan and probably separated from the group. He wouldn't anger Five, so Five wouldn't kill anyone. Eight would still be alive, Ella and Sarah might not be, given that John wasn't there to heal them. They wouldn't have thought about hiding in the John Hancock center and might not have been found by the Mogadorians, so BK probably wouldn't have been killed or wounded or whatever it is that happened to him.

Alright. What if Ella hadn't made it to Earth?


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Starcrystal Not much would change, actually, except that Marina, Eight, and Six would have had a lot harder time finding Four and Nine. Well not that much. They were fighting a war, after all.
The only BIG THING would be that Four would have gone to island in TFoF with the other Lorics, and they probably would have taken Sam and Sarah. And all the Chests. Five might not have dared to attack with so many against him. Or they would have been able to overpower him, and he would have flown away. Or they would capture him, and maybe Nine would hit him in the head with a hammer.xD Anyway, Eight would be ALIVE!!


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Starcrystal What if Eight had been captured and taken to Dulce Base before the Lorics found him, and when Marina and Ella and Six and Crayton got to the place in India, they just found a battalion of Mogs?


Ethan Then Crayton, and maybe Ella, would have been killed, Marina would've been captured, Six would try to find John at their meeting place. When he didn't come, she would assume he and Sam were dead. After that, she would try to find Marina, and might get killed in the process since she would be left without backup. Eight probably would have escaped (he can teleport!) and try to find the others. Not much would change for John and Nine. They would find one of the Garde and team up with them to find the rest. Poor Marina would be helpless in her cell; she doesn't really have a Legacy to escape. She would probably be killed soon and they would all have another scar on her leg.

What if Six was killed instead of Eight?


Cassidy I dont think she would have been killed, because, in my opinion, she's not selfless enough to jump in front of a blade. Beside's, she was unconscious at the time and even if she had come around in time, she probably would have been too slow and far away. If Nine had just kept his mouth shut, no one would have died... :/
if she had died, though, i think John and Sam would have both been devastated. She's one of the originals... i think everyone would have been crushed.

What if Adam had gotten to the John Hancock building sooner?


Ethan That depends. How sooner? At what time?


Cassidy Like before/during the battle. Before it was over. Sorry, i guess that wasn't very specific haha


Ethan Then he would be able to try and save Ella while John healed Malcolm.

What if Two hadn't posted the blog post?


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then two may not have died


what if nine died instead of eight?


Cassidy If she hadn't, Adam probably would have either found/rescued her on time and got her somewhere safe, possibly evading the rest of the Mogs who were tracking her down and diverting them for a while. Or, she might have done something else entirely that brought her to the Mog's attention. Either way, she either would have gotten caught at a later date somewhere else, or Adam would have rescued and taken her with him and they would have later found Three and reunited with the rest of the Garde.

What if One had taken things more seriously, trained harder, and not lost sight of their mission?


Cassidy Oops sorry! okay ill answer this one haha.

If Nine died, i dont think everyone would have been quite as crushed. Things might be different, but we don't know yet until the next book. Five would not feel any remorse, like he did for Eight, because he hated Nine anyways

what if One had taken things more seriously, trained harder, and not lost sight of their mission?


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Liz One wouldn't have shop lifted to impress the human guy she knew, Wade, so the Mogs would never have killed her in Malaysia. If she really worked at it, she might have survived the entire time on earth, giving a big advantage to the Loric as none of the Garde would be dead or injured. However, it would also have disadvantages - her being alive means she never met Adam, who would most likely at this point doubt his people a little, but he wouldn't take action with his feelings without One giving him the courage. The Garde might get careless as well - if One is alive then there is nothing to suggestcthe Mogs are on earth. Four said in the first book that before the first scar came, he tricked himself into thinking Lorien wadn't real, and if all the Garde besides One had doubt in Lorien, then they would be in some majorly hot water. In a way, One's death wad crucial, it gave everyone a wake up call and gave us Adam. If she lived the Loric, despite having larger numbers, would be out matched and the Garde could lose the war.


What if Two's blog post worked in her favour so she could communicate with other Loric and the Garde met up earlier?


Johanne Then Six would've reacted immediately and came to his/her rescue.... (maybe) XD Two would live and yeah would be with the others right now....

Now. What if, there were other Garde who have escaped Lorien and had taken refuge in other planets like Mars?


Ethan Then, once they realized other Loric were reviving Lorien, they would come to. There would be a big reunion even though they never knew each other.

What if Numbers 1-8 were killed before they ever met up and it was just Nine left, with all his Legacies, even ones he hasn't yet gotten in the series? Oh yeah, and he never went to jail and still had Sandor.


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Liz That would be damn depressing... He would probably feel hopeless and very, very, very pissed off at the Mogs. If he still has Sandor with him he would stay in hiding and by this point I think they would have left the penthouse and gone somewhere else. His emotions would lead to him developing aggressive legacies. If Ella was on earth they would eventually meet up and Nine would be overjoyed and confused. If Nine developed a legacy to bring back the dead he would bring back all the dead Garde and Cêpan and they would all have a bonding scene and then train for years before kicking the Mogs asses. If he didn't he, Ella, Crayton and Sandor would seek out possible Loric allies (they'd most likely go to Malcolm's house and find Sam who would go with them), they might also find Eight's rebel group in India and build up an army against the Mogs. Eventually they would stand out to governments and they would try and gain various government support from different countries. If the American government was run by the Mogs there would probably be a World War Three with Mogs & allies vs Loric & allies which the Loric side would win and bring everyone back to life because all of the Garde can't stay dead, it would be too depressing. :(


What if One defeated the Mogs in Malaysia and took Adam prisoner?


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Katherine They would have already won the war, if they were back on Lorien, so... maybe bring the planet back to it's former glory, and become the new Loric elders?

What if John had left Sarah behind in Ohio, never saw her again, and fell for Six?
( I hate Sarah, so that is the reason for this question)

Edit: Me, being the idiot that I am, forgot to refresh this before I answered, so I'm sorry if I screwed with the order.


Cassidy Everyone in this Fandom would probably throw a huge party. I think Sam would be heartbroken, but Six is better for John. There would be this huge love triangle and cause a lot of distractions for everyone.

What if Ella had had more brothers and sisters, and they had got off Lorien too?


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Neha Seriously?? Wow...i guess then Crayton would already have told the truth about their not being numbers bu escaped children. Some would be elder than Ella so we'd be able to see more legacies. On other hand, escaping with soo many children with Marina and Six would be almost impossible. And then in india, how in the hell would soo many teleport??

Q: What if Eight's Cepan hadn't fallen for Lola??


Ethan He would have lived at least a little longer; Eight wouldn't have stayed in the mountains and become "Vishnu;" Six, Marina, Crayton, and Ella would have gone to meet up with John and Sam. When they didn't show up, they would probably stay in the US for a little longer and maybe run into John and Nine, though Eight probably would've already been with them by that point. Reynolds and Crayton would probably have been with them; Crayton would've died at the break-in, Reynolds would've sacrificed himself instead of Eight, and all the Garde would still be alive.

What if Adam had died after being put in Dr. Anu's machine?


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Starcrystal Then he wouldn't have rescued Malcolm or Sam, and Malcolm would probably be dead and Sam still locked up.

What if there was a fight and Marina had to heal Adam, but in doing so she reawoke One's ghost and now all the Lorics could see One too? (BTW sorry for the long complicated question:)


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Liz Adam would be over the bloody moon! The idea of seeing One again would be unbelievable to him. If the others could see her then if they had any doubts about Adam being on their side, they would have to believe he was because his story is validated BECAUSE ONE IS STANDING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM AND GGJFGVKGV ONE/ADAM ROCKS!

Sorry about my break down there... But seriously those two are as good with each other as Marina and Eight are.

One would probably take the piss out of all of them and especially Nine, (can any of you imagine that? A rivalry between One and Nine. XD) She would tell all of them her story, and have fun being a ghost. If she couldn't fight she would be a strategist and come up with battle plans and brighten their spirits up when they felt down by making fun of Adam is someway because hey, it's One and she is awesome.

Maybe she would transfer more of her legacies to Adam?

Really good question! :P

What if post-FOF John woke up in the past, on his first day in Paradise with all of his memories of the future?


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Neha If that happened i'd be like - WHAT.THE.HECK?!?!?!?! And im sure he'd be like that too. At first he'll be suspicious of whether he isnt in another dream vision or anything, but slowly he'll began to realise all that happened was a DREAM! NOTHING FREAKING REAL! The coolest thing would be that Four would know that Six is coming for him, he would know where Nine and Eight and Seven are, he would KNOW FIVE's A FREAKING TRAITOR! The suckish thing is that he wouldnt know what to do with Sarah and Sam now. He would probably talk to sam about all of his dream and all, and even Sarah if he couldnt bear it to hide anything from her. Sam would probably join him, but i have no idea with Sarah, but in any of my perspective there'll be no Sarah-John break up (hey thats my ship!).

But mostly the things will be a lot of fun, because he could Correct everything that had go wrong, including saving his Cepan, and this time, preparing with even more determination!!

Awesome question really.

Hmm...so what if Pittacus hadnt been dead, but was alive (though he had warn Malcolm) and had gone missing somewhere, but reappear in the post FOF??


Ethan This is a really hard question to answer, but really the first thing that would happen is the Garde would bombard him with questions like "What does this thing in my Chest do?" and "Why was I chosen to do this?" Most likely, with all of Pittacus' mystery, he might answer one or two questions, maybe even spend a night with the Loric, but then disappear soon.

What if Malcolm hadn't remembered Sam when he woke up until after the Fall of Five? What would have happened differently in the Fall of Five?


Johanne Uhmmm... Well its like a reunion All Lorics uniting again to wake up the hibernating Lorien... (The concept of your question was the same as mine but whatever XD)

What if Six would develop a Time Manipulation Legacy? (Read the last pages of I am Number Four if you don't know.... XD)


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Liz If Six developed a time travel legacy she would be able to change things that went wrong. I guess it depends on the strength of the legacy, if she could travel back minutes or hours she would stop people from dying, but if she could travel back years she might have been able to stop the Mogs from taking over Lorien or made sure they were more prepared for it so more people survived.

What if the dead Garde and Cepan woke up alive again but as humans? (Bringing this thread back to life!!) :)


Johanne maybe they would spend their lives as humans too..... maybe they would forget who they are..... or maybe they would fight the mogs with Earthly weapons....

What if Ella betrayed the Lorics too? What would happen?


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Neha She will dream to Rule the world with her Dad *cough Setrakus cough* and the Garde will be more broken. They'll try to convince her but she might harm one of them. Her telepathy legacy can also detect the locations of the Garde which can be very threatening. All in all the chances of Garde winning will reduce...but it would still not be impossible to win.

What if Five turns out good after his accidental killing of Eight and realizes that he's in the bad team? What would he do?


Samantha Fly over and try to reason with Marina. Marina won't accept it and Five will have nowhere to go because the Garde won't accept him.

What if Marina didn't stab Five in the eye and actually killed him?


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Liz She would be horrified by what she did and would have run away from the other Garde.

What if the Garde were supernatural creatures? What would they be?


Javier Rodríguez They would be maybe gods, and would have killed the mogadorians who would be titans


What if there was a number eleven (girl) who loved a human (boy) and gave him her legacies because she died amd he found Marina before Ella did?


Annaw Then they would ban together to fight the mogs and kick butt.

what if 5 didn't turn evil


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Neha Eight wouldn't have died, and Ella wouldn't have been kidnapped, and meeting with Adam would be a LOT easier.

What if Eight hadn't teleported to save nine??


Arianna seven wouldn't have discovered her new legacy and they wouldn't have escaped that easily.(and i wouldn't have cried for like three hour on a plan lol i still would have cried)

what if four went after Ella instead of saving Sam's dad?


Javier Rodríguez Ella would be with them and sams dad would be dead

What if crayton had betrayed the lorics and killed ella and marina?


Jesper Sandvik Then Marina and Eight would never have met, and Eight would still be hiding until the Mogs kill him. All the others would lose hope and in the end, they would all die!

What if the Garde were twenty members instead of 10?


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Liz The Mogs would have a heck of a lot more Garde to fight... And the Loric would have a major advantage against them - HOWEVER, it would cause the risk of multiple Garde pulling a 'Five' and going over to the dark side.

What if Four was a girl?


Javier Rodríguez Sarah wouldnt be his girlfriend and maybe he would date Sam

What if the cêpan revived and had loric powers?


Diana Braxton Then they would probably help fight with the garde and they could all kick mog ass!

What if... Marina lost her healing legacy after what happened to 8 (WHY??? *sobs dramatically*) and 4 lost his healing legacy after the weird dream thing.


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Tahlia Adelyn wrote: "Then they would probably help fight with the garde and they could all kick mog ass!

What if... Marina lost her healing legacy after what happened to 8 (WHY??? *sobs dramatically*) and 4 lost his h..."


Than Six and Nine would die too, and Marina would kill Five in the first moment she can, bacause he killed three members of the Garde.

What if the Mogadorians haven't got any monsters (like krauls and pikens) ?


Samantha Then Olivia wouldn't be dead and Ella would have a Chimaera (can't do the special letters)

What if Six turned the boat invisible in the Everglades when Five flew ahead and Five couldn't find the boat so he left?


Diana Braxton Then 8 would be alive and I would have no reason to hunt down Pittacus Lore. Also, Five might have gone back to Chicago to help out (for the mogs of course) with the whole fighting there.


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Ms. Anderson They would probably try to restore their society!

What if Sarah died in the first book?


Middy Then John would have had less reason to go on but he and Six might have made things work and then again, Sam and John might have felt competition because they were both after her which could have led to Sam going home.

What if that was not Sarah when John went back to Paradise and thought she turned him in? What if it was Setrakus Ra pretending to be her?


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Samboypluck143 What if eight used the duplicator when they got to the swamp for safety or something and comes back in the revenge of seven


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