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CHAPTER BREAKDOWN
Date Chapters Pages PPDQs*
November 02 Chp. 01-03 01-55 Karen
November 03 Chp. 04-08 56-115 Karen
November 04 Chp. 09-11 116-158 Karen
November 05 Chp. 12-14 159-216 Karen
November 06 Chp. 15-17 217-283 Karen
November 07 Chp. 18-20 284-347 Karen
November 08 Chp. 21-23 348-407 Karen
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Breakdown is based on this paperback version of the book
so use the chapter numbers if you have a different version
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I'm in, and intrigued by the synopsis. I'm very curious about this book :)
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I'm defiantly in! Been waiting for this!
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Chapters 1-3
1. How do you find the writing style (first person narrative, starting at the end and going back in time)?
2. What did you think of the initial chapter and the scene at the police station? Are you finding humour in the book? It reminds me in many ways of The Rosie Project with that awkward humour.
3. We don't know who Alex's father is, his mother is a cartomancer, and he seems to have no other family. Does this impact your opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had?
4. Thoughts on Dr Weir? I wonder who "Mr Knowles" is that the police referred to in the beginning (as not having told them about his epilepsy)
5. Ann Hodges was hit by a meteorite in her Alabama home in 1954. More info and a picture of her wound can be found at the National Geographic website here
6. Tarot cards seem to play an important role in his family (and perhaps the rest of the book?). You can use this book as a bonus in our Tarot Card Challenge!
P.S Please let me know if you'd like to do discussion questions on any of the days
Discussion: Chapters 1-3
1. How do you find the writing style (first person narrative, starting at the end and going back in time)?
I really liked this writing style- first person narrative is always a favourite of mine, no clue why. I thought it was interesting to start from the end and then go back in time. It gets you very excited for the book though- why does he have marijuana, what happened to Mr. Peterson, etc.
2. What did you think of the initial chapter and the scene at the police station? Are you finding humour in the book?
I thought the initial chapter was a little weird, but I liked it. I think it is strange and has a weird sense of humour tied into it.
3. We don't know who Alex's father is, his mother is a cartomancer, and he seems to have no other family. Does this impact your opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had?
This doesn't impact my opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had because I think that his mother is a very strong person and so would have the greatest influence on his upbringing any way.
4. Thoughts on Dr Weir?
Dr. Weir seems very strange. I like that she treats Alex like an adult and answers any questions he might have. I wonder if there is something "going on" with Dr. Weir that we will find out later in the book.
Overall, I'm enjoying this book so far! Can't wait to get further into it.
I'm in if I can manage to read this and The Orphan Master's Son (Buddy Read) at same time!
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1. That is true. I like knowing where the book is going
4. I like that she treats him as an adult. That style seems to work for him. I'm glad you're enjoying it so far!
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Chapters 4-8
7. The description of that first seizure, and his subsequent need to be "brainbound" was sad and a little disconcerting. Thoughts?
8. Are you familiar with Emily Dickinson? Did you re-read that quote over and over? (I did!!) What is your interpretation?
9. Here is some information on Glastonbury where Lower Godly is 'based'. I didn't realise that my cover of the book is actually based on the Glastonbury Tor.
From the Somerset levels arises the famous Glastonbury Tor with the remains of a Church tower on top. The Tor is an ancient Pagan site and is said in myth to be the Isle of Avalon of Arthurian mythology. Many people regard is one of the most important spiritual powerspot in the world
This seems to match this book quite well don't you think?
10. Thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different"? Do these exist in all schools?
11. I found the description of Robert Asquith and how he came about to create the Asquith Academy a nice piece of satire. There seem to be many themes emerging in this book. Does it feel like a YA book to you so far?
12. The descriptions of Mr Treadstone's knowledge of the English language reminded me of Stephen Fry. Did you have an English teacher like that?
13. Alex being chased down by those three awful bullies was uncomfortable reading! I was glad when he hid in the shed. He has penance with Mr Peterson, which is where that part of the story shall begin, but what of the bullies? Will they just come after him again?
14. Thoughts on Mr Peterson so far? Does it affect your enjoyment of the novel knowing that he will end up in an urn by the end of the book?
1. How do you find the writing style (first person narrative, starting at the end and going back in time)? I don't mind books dotting around as long as it is clear where you are in the story. I thought this was quite clear - at least up to now.
2. What did you think of the initial chapter and the scene at the police station? Are you finding humour in the book? It reminds me in many ways of The Rosie Project with that awkward humour.
I thought it was very funny when he had to turn up the music in the car. Not because of what was happening to him, but because of how it must have looked! I think it is quite funny. I don't know the book you mention so I can't comment on that.
3. We don't know who Alex's father is, his mother is a cartomancer, and he seems to have no other family. Does this impact your opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had?
It seems very lonely. There is only the two of them and his mum works 6 days a week. I love that he thinks of the cat as an elder sister.
4. Thoughts on Dr Weir? I wonder who "Mr Knowles" is that the police referred to in the beginning (as not having told them about his epilepsy)
I like Dr Weir and it was thoughtful of him to send the book (or is he a her?). I looked back in the book and I reckon Mr Knowles was the name of the man who was in the customs booth when Alex was trying to drive through and who saw him put the music on.
5. Ann Hodges was hit by a meteorite in her Alabama home in 1954. More info and a picture of her wound can be found at the National Geographic website here
Couldn't seem to get the link to work but will look a bit more later.
6. Tarot cards seem to play an important role in his family (and perhaps the rest of the book?).
Interesting because I really know nothing about them....apart from what they are of course. Thanks for the pictures!
7. The description of that first seizure, and his subsequent need to be "brainbound" was sad and a little disconcerting. Thoughts?I also found the first seizure and Alex's subsequent need to be "brainbound" sad and a little disconcerting. I understand why his mother wanted to keep an eye on him, but I couldn't help but feel that this was going to hinder his "growth" and ability to heal. I'm glad though that he found refuge in books and was able to escape from his "real life" if even for a little while.
8. Are you familiar with Emily Dickinson? Did you re-read that quote over and over? (I did!!) What is your interpretation?
I am familiar with Emily Dickinson, but haven't read much by her. I found this quote a little strange. Im not even sure what to make of it even now after reading it a few times.
9. Here is some information on Glastonbury where Lower Godly is 'based'. I didn't realise that my cover of the book is actually based on the Glastonbury Tor.
This seems to match this book quite well don't you think?
I thought the photo fit the book very well. It's interesting that the cover of the book was based on anything- I assumed some creative individual just made it up.
10. Thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different"? Do these exist in all schools?
I understand where Alex's thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different" come from especially since he is the victim of cruel jokes and bullying. I remember when I was in school I was often picked on because I was part of the "IB" program in a public school. All of us were made fun of for being "smartie pants". I think that similar "crimes of being offensively different" do exist in schools- but I don't think it is a crime to be different, I think its just not the norm and so not accepted as much.
11. I found the description of Robert Asquith and how he came about to create the Asquith Academy a nice piece of satire. There seem to be many themes emerging in this book. Does it feel like a YA book to you so far?
This book doesn't really feel like a YA book to me at all. It seems to be a book that would be analyzed in school for all of its themes and "pictures".
12. The descriptions of Mr Treadstone's knowledge of the English language reminded me of Stephen Fry. Did you have an English teacher like that?
I wish I had an English teacher like Mr. Treadstone! Mine didn't seem to care at all. I wish my vocabulary was better than it currently is.
13. Alex being chased down by those three awful bullies was uncomfortable reading! I was glad when he hid in the shed. He has penance with Mr Peterson, which is where that part of the story shall begin, but what of the bullies? Will they just come after him again?
I think the bullies will continue to come after Alex, no matter what happens. He will be bullied for being different by the same people.
14. Thoughts on Mr Peterson so far? Does it affect your enjoyment of the novel knowing that he will end up in an urn by the end of the book?
Mr. Peterson is a very interesting character. I actually think the fact that we know he will end up in an urn adds to his character. All of us die, some of us sooner than others. We know that Mr. Peterson gets to spend some time with Alex, and gets to know him, so even though he ends up in an urn, I think he was happy that he had someone to spend his last few years with.
1. How do you find the writing style (first person narrative, starting at the end and going back in time)? I love the first person narrative, because you know what they're thinking at any time. I'm not really a fan of the novel starting at the end, because now I'm confused and I want to know all the answers NOW. So basically it's making me impatient.
2. What did you think of the initial chapter and the scene at the police station? Are you finding humour in the book? It reminds me in many ways of The Rosie Project with that awkward humour.
I've never read The Rosie Project, but the initial chapter was very confusing for me because I felt like I was thrown into a place I didn't know, and I had so many questions, like why was he at the border in the first place, or why people recognized him, or why the border patrol guard knew not to let Alex through.
3. We don't know who Alex's father is, his mother is a cartomancer, and he seems to have no other family. Does this impact your opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had?
No not really. I think the fact that his mother is a cartomancer makes the story even more interesting.
4. Thoughts on Dr Weir? I wonder who "Mr Knowles" is that the police referred to in the beginning (as not having told them about his epilepsy)
Dr. Weir seems like a really awesome person because she 1) Answered all of Alex's questions and 2) Let him do whatever he wanted with his meteorite. To me she seems like a good character, and I hope nothing bad happens to her, or that she's not as good as she seems.
5. Ann Hodges was hit by a meteorite in her Alabama home in 1954. More info and a picture of her wound can be found at the National Geographic website here
6. Tarot cards seem to play an important role in his family (and perhaps the rest of the book?). You can use this book as a bonus in our Tarot Card Challenge!
I really like Tarot Cards. I might check out this challenge, but I'm swamped with work this month/year/...life. :P haha
I'm in 8% and already feel intrigued by the story. I liked the idea of starting backward somehow, it adds to the general mystery. I also like the writing style, such a dark, I would even risk statement "English" sense of humour. I haven't read such book for a long time. I haven't read Rosie Project yet, but I would like to get to it sometime next year, so it is a nice prediction that this book seems similar in some respects. I think that the relationship between Alex and his mother is very important to the next parts of the plot and Alex's development in this story.
I will try to read more today and add more thoughts tomorrow.
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3. haha. yes, the cat as part of the family like that is pretty funny
4. Ah, could be
6. You're welcome!
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7. I agree. although as a parent I also understand her actions and wanting to protect her child. Such a hard situation
8. me either ;)
10. Yes, I think kids don't like "different" (until they get to late teens and then "different" is normal I guess)
11. true
14. Yes, it is an interesting premise to get the "big sad bit" out in the open from the start
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1. lol!
4. totally agree. I love how patient and honest she is with him
6. haha
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wel, knowing you, I'm sure you've finished the book today...lol
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Comments and Questions
Chapters 9-11
15. I have read reviews of this book where people compare the writing style to that of Kurt Vonnegut, whose works also play a large part in this section of the book. Have you read any of his books?
16. The "special letter writing club" that Mr Peterson belongs to is Amnesty International! I quite liked the statement "But sometimes people have homes and possessions you don't expect, and hobbies you can't even imagine". Thoughts?
17. When Mr Peterson gave Alex the book with his wife's inscription I thought that was a lovely gesture. I was absolutely heartbroken with what happened next. How will Alex be able to explain himself properly so they become friends again?
18. The interrogation at school about the "bus incident" made me laugh, but also squirm. It is so frustrating that Alex's teachers and mother don't seem to understand he is being bullied. Do you think it is realistic that no-one suspects what is happening?
19. We're about 40% through the book. What are your thoughts on it so far? Enjoying/ambivalent/giving up?
Comments and QuestionsChapters 1-3
1. How do you find the writing style (first person narrative, starting at the end and going back in time)?
I like the style of admiting that he's actually writing a book. i.e. the comments about how much to describe of a person.
2. What did you think of the initial chapter and the scene at the police station? Are you finding humour in the book? It reminds me in many ways of The Rosie Project with that awkward humour.
Haven't read that one. It's amusing so far. I'm a little worried that it might be a bit much by the end.
3. We don't know who Alex's father is, his mother is a cartomancer, and he seems to have no other family. Does this impact your opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had?
I think single parent families do fine most of the time. It seems like he gets enough contact with his mom. The strangeness of his mom's attitude towards things probably has more of an impact.
4. Thoughts on Dr Weir? I wonder who "Mr Knowles" is that the police referred to in the beginning (as not having told them about his epilepsy)
I like her though I'm a bit surprised about the swooping in to grab the meteorite. She seems willing to explain things to a kid who needs explanations.
5. Ann Hodges was hit by a meteorite in her Alabama home in 1954. More info and a picture of her wound can be found at the National Geographic website here
This makes me think of http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-573... . It seems like the author copied the original case fairly closely. I'm really not sure someone would survive what they describe in the book without some serious issues. (Worse than what they describe so far.)
6. Tarot cards seem to play an important role in his family (and perhaps the rest of the book?). You can use this book as a bonus in our Tarot Card Challenge!
Ack. No more challenges. Must finish the ones already signed up for.
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1. yes, writing "to" the reader is always interesting
5. I wonder why the author chose this to happen to Alex? It seems the book is more about friendship than that accident, but perhaps we will find out mor towards the end
6. teehee
@Karen, LOL. I'm still in chapter six :)
Comments and QuestionsChapters 4-8
7. The description of that first seizure, and his subsequent need to be "brainbound" was sad and a little disconcerting. Thoughts?
My husband had a seizure due to an issue in his brain a few years ago so I know how terrifying they can be. I'm surprised that he hasn't done more damage to himself through incidental injuries. I did recently meet another person who has epilepsy though and even though hers is more severe it doesn't sound like she is injured much. I think it probably depends on your body a lot. It is interesting hearing about it from another point of view though.
8. Are you familiar with Emily Dickinson? Did you re-read that quote over and over? (I did!!) What is your interpretation?
I haven't read much Emily Dickinson.
9. Here is some information on Glastonbury where Lower Godly is 'based'. I didn't realise that my cover of the book is actually based on the Glastonbury Tor.
From the Somerset levels arises the famous Glastonbury Tor with the remains of a Church tower on top. The Tor is an ancient Pagan site and is said in myth to be the Isle of Avalon of Arthurian mythology. Many people regard is one of the most important spiritual powerspot in the world
This seems to match this book quite well don't you think?
They make a lot of comments in regards to the tower card. I thought the tower at the top of the hill looked a lot like the card they use for the tarot cards.
10. Thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different"? Do these exist in all schools?
I think they exist in some ways at all schools. It's probably dependent upon the school environment and the kids who go there. I'm sure gender also plays a role in how you get bullied. I think the gay thing will peter out slowly since it's becoming more and more "cool" as the case may be. It feels like every TV show now has the token gay couple.
11. I found the description of Robert Asquith and how he came about to create the Asquith Academy a nice piece of satire. There seem to be many themes emerging in this book. Does it feel like a YA book to you so far?
It doesn't feel like a YA book to me. I like the free markets comment on how he squashed his competition :).
12. The descriptions of Mr Treadstone's knowledge of the English language reminded me of Stephen Fry. Did you have an English teacher like that?
The main English teacher I remember hated men and men related topics. i.e. if you were good at math you couldn't be good at English. Fun times...
13. Alex being chased down by those three awful bullies was uncomfortable reading! I was glad when he hid in the shed. He has penance with Mr Peterson, which is where that part of the story shall begin, but what of the bullies? Will they just come after him again?
I think Mr. Peterson will do something to discourage the bullies. I really want my kids well versed in self-defense at an early age. There's always going to be some bullying since kids can't be watched (and shouldn't be) all the time. I think there's a lot you can teach kids about ignoring things and then if necessary, defending yourself.
14. Thoughts on Mr Peterson so far? Does it affect your enjoyment of the novel knowing that he will end up in an urn by the end of the book?
I think he sounds amusing. I don't mind the urn thing since it sounds like he's elderly anyway.
15. I have read reviews of this book where people compare the writing style to that of Kurt Vonnegut, whose works also play a large part in this section of the book. Have you read any of his books?I personally haven't read any of Kurt Vonnegut's books, but my brother has and he couldn't stop raving about them.
16. The "special letter writing club" that Mr Peterson belongs to is Amnesty International! I quite liked the statement "But sometimes people have homes and possessions you don't expect, and hobbies you can't even imagine". Thoughts?
I think the statement is very true! It's exactly like "Don't judge a book by it's cover".. you never know what you are going to find on the inside. Most of us look at people and assume things about them, but really those are only appearances!
17. When Mr Peterson gave Alex the book with his wife's inscription I thought that was a lovely gesture. I was absolutely heartbroken with what happened next. How will Alex be able to explain himself properly so they become friends again?
I felt really bad for Mr. Peterson when the incident with the book happened, but I think that Mr. Peterson is old enough to understand that accidents do happen. I think if Alex takes the time to explain what happened that Mr. Peterson will forgive him. We all get attached to items, but eventually realize that they are only that- an item. I can understand that he has an even greater attachment to the book because of the inscription, but I think that he will realize that the memories he has with Mrs. Peterson far outweigh the inscription in the book.
18. The interrogation at school about the "bus incident" made me laugh, but also squirm. It is so frustrating that Alex's teachers and mother don't seem to understand he is being bullied. Do you think it is realistic that no-one suspects what is happening?
I think it is realistic that no-one suspects what is happening. Declan probably does the "angel/devil" thing that a lot of bullies do- to adults they appear to be angels and are always sweet and nice, but then as soon as the adults back is turned, you better watch it. I'm sure Declan has always been nice to Alex's mom and to his teachers and so they have no reason to believe that he is bullying Alex. I think it doesn't help that Alex has "problems" and so a lot of things he says and does is blamed on that.
19. We're about 40% through the book. What are your thoughts on it so far? Enjoying/ambivalent/giving up?
I am really enjoying this book and can't wait to find out where it is going... it's very intriguing :)
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7.I bet it is completely terrifying. I hope all is ok with your husband
10. yes I think boys are more likely to be bullied
12. lol!
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15. I haven't read any either, it will go to my 'one day' list!
16. absolutely. Good point
17. well put. It can be difficult sometimes when an item becomes your attachment to a memory
18. Yes, but it is so frustrating! :o
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Chapters 12-14
20. Alex has an argument with his mother because he feels no remorse. Did you take a side?
21. I loved that Mr Peterson wrote to Alex and sent him the book. What did you think of his reasons for forgiving Alex?
22. Mr Peterson remains "calm and focused" when Kurt is hurt and I liked how he explained to Alex why they were putting Kurt down. Thoughts on his character and these scenes?
23. The "Secular Church of Kurt Vonnegut"! What a great idea to get together a book club. Were you surprised that people joined it? That Mr Peterson agreed to this?
24. What do you think of Ellie? Will her character play a bigger role in Alex's life soon?
7. The description of that first seizure, and his subsequent need to be "brainbound" was sad and a little disconcerting. Thoughts?I wasn't surprised that some health problem occured after Alex's accident, it would be strange if it hadn't, but I was full of admiration for the way he coped with it.
8. Are you familiar with Emily Dickinson? Did you re-read that quote over and over? (I did!!) What is your interpretation?
I'm familiar with Emily Dickinson, I read a lot of her poems in the past and I find it uplifting in many aspects, but in some ways her poetry is sad and full of longing.
9. Here is some information on Glastonbury where Lower Godly is 'based'. I didn't realise that my cover of the book is actually based on the Glastonbury Tor.
I have the same cover, and to be honest until this comment I thought it was some graphic artistic vision, but nothing based on existing landscape. I've checked it on the Internet, and the place is really amazing. I would like to see it one day with my own eyes!
10. Thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different"? Do these exist in all schools?
Unfortunately, I believe it is typical for the age of secondary school students. I want to believe it is developmental issue, but sometimes the cruelty and bullying seem to be something more than just testing the boundries and setting the group dynamics.
11. I found the description of Robert Asquith and how he came about to create the Asquith Academy a nice piece of satire. There seem to be many themes emerging in this book. Does it feel like a YA book to you so far?
I really liked this part, it was funny but also smart, showing some stereotypes. I have a strong feeling that is it a YA book, a typical story of coming of age.
13. Alex being chased down by those three awful bullies was uncomfortable reading! I was glad when he hid in the shed. He has penance with Mr Peterson, which is where that part of the story shall begin, but what of the bullies? Will they just come after him again?
Such people usually stay cruel until the end.
14. Thoughts on Mr Peterson so far? Does it affect your enjoyment of the novel knowing that he will end up in an urn by the end of the book?
Somehow knowing his fate makes me want to read even more eagerly to find out how it happened and what Alex role in the whole story is.
15. I have read reviews of this book where people compare the writing style to that of Kurt Vonnegut, whose works also play a large part in this section of the book. Have you read any of his books?I've read Slaughter-Five and I think it is an amazing book, moving and full of deep emotions, but it is different in style from other of Vonnegut's books as far as I know, thus I cannot really compare the two books in this respect.
16. The "special letter writing club" that Mr Peterson belongs to is Amnesty International! I quite liked the statement "But sometimes people have homes and possessions you don't expect, and hobbies you can't even imagine". Thoughts?
I laught a lot while reading this part, it was funny and touching at the same time. And I really like this quote, very true.
18. The interrogation at school about the "bus incident" made me laugh, but also squirm. It is so frustrating that Alex's teachers and mother don't seem to understand he is being bullied. Do you think it is realistic that no-one suspects what is happening?
Again, I would say it is highly probably that nobody suspects bullying. I was frustrated while reading this part of the book, I felt sorry for Alex and the fact that he was so misunderstood at that moment.
19. We're about 40% through the book. What are your thoughts on it so far? Enjoying/ambivalent/giving up?
I think this book is difficult to judge until read till the very end. So far I cannot say I'm amazed by it, but I'm not ambivalent or giving up either. I enjoy reading it, but I'm not stunned.
20. Alex has an argument with his mother because he feels no remorse. Did you take a side?Initially I took Alex's side, but after the last argument of his mother, I also felt defeated and finally I accepted her point of view as justified.
21. I loved that Mr Peterson wrote to Alex and sent him the book. What did you think of his reasons for forgiving Alex?
There is this quote about his wife's opinion on destroying the book : "She [Mrs Peterson] would've said that a book's a great way of sharin' ideas, but beyond that, it's just pulped trees. She would've told me that I've been actin' like a goddam moron. (...) I'm sayin' that all the things that were important about the book... well, they weren't really anything to do with the book itself. They're more up here - 'at this point, Mr Peterson tapped his head, close to the temple - 'and they haven't gone anywhere." this explains everything about the book in my opinion.
22. Mr Peterson remains "calm and focused" when Kurt is hurt and I liked how he explained to Alex why they were putting Kurt down. Thoughts on his character and these scenes?
I think it was one of the most important moment in Alex's life as he understood better his attitude towards death and faith. Due to Mr Peterson's calm and the proper burial he was able to grieve and overcome the pain. I think that Mr Peterson is extremely important person for Alex.
23. The "Secular Church of Kurt Vonnegut"! What a great idea to get together a book club. Were you surprised that people joined it? That Mr Peterson agreed to this?
I loved this project and I was amazed how well it worked out. Very inspiring part.
24. What do you think of Ellie? Will her character play a bigger role in Alex's life soon?
I think that Ellie might be the only person who is going to understand Alex, and I believe they are going to be very close soon, even though they seem to be like fire and water for most of the time.
Comments and QuestionsChapters 9-11
15. I have read reviews of this book where people compare the writing style to that of Kurt Vonnegut, whose works also play a large part in this section of the book. Have you read any of his books?
I have not but they sound entertaining. Probably not the type of thing you can read while tired though.
16. The "special letter writing club" that Mr Peterson belongs to is Amnesty International! I quite liked the statement "But sometimes people have homes and possessions you don't expect, and hobbies you can't even imagine". Thoughts?
I think a lot of people have hobbies you don't expect. It's probably even more common than you'd expect since people often need something to balance out another part of their life.
17. When Mr Peterson gave Alex the book with his wife's inscription I thought that was a lovely gesture. I was absolutely heartbroken with what happened next. How will Alex be able to explain himself properly so they become friends again?
It's perhaps not a great plan of Alex's to bring it on the bus but I do feel bad for him getting blamed for everything.
18. The interrogation at school about the "bus incident" made me laugh, but also squirm. It is so frustrating that Alex's teachers and mother don't seem to understand he is being bullied. Do you think it is realistic that no-one suspects what is happening?
I imagine it happens sometimes. I think it can happen both ways where people don't realize someone's being bullied and where people assume someone's getting bullied when they're really not.
19. We're about 40% through the book. What are your thoughts on it so far? Enjoying/ambivalent/giving up?
I'm liking it quite a bit more than I thought I would. It has some very clever lines.
Comments and questionsChapters 12-14
20. Alex has an argument with his mother because he feels no remorse. Did you take a side?
Eih. I've never been one to get hung up on curse words no matter what the word. My mom always said to only use them when you really mean them since if you use them all the time they lose their umph. i.e. If you slam your hand in the door it helps to curse but just cursing randomly in every day life is silly.
21. I loved that Mr Peterson wrote to Alex and sent him the book. What did you think of his reasons for forgiving Alex?
I think he missed having someone to talk to. He doesn't seem like he has a lot of other friends.
22. Mr Peterson remains "calm and focused" when Kurt is hurt and I liked how he explained to Alex why they were putting Kurt down. Thoughts on his character and these scenes?
Some of it may just be his character. People react differently in crisis situations. Some people freak out while others go into a mode where they do the next thing without processing emotion.
23. The "Secular Church of Kurt Vonnegut"! What a great idea to get together a book club. Were you surprised that people joined it? That Mr Peterson agreed to this?
I wasn't surprised that he found people. I do think he partially agreed because he didn't think it would take off.
24. What do you think of Ellie? Will her character play a bigger role in Alex's life soon?
She's a bit nuts but amusing. I think she'll have some part in his life since she's the only one his age that he talks to.
7. The description of that first seizure, and his subsequent need to be "brainbound" was sad and a little disconcerting. Thoughts?The only sad thing about that was he had to stay brainbound for so long. Personally I enjoy being by myself in a cozy bed, but after awhile I need to be social.
8. Are you familiar with Emily Dickinson? Did you re-read that quote over and over? (I did!!) What is your interpretation?
I know who Emily Dickinson is but I'm not familiar with her poems. My interpretation of the quote is basically that the brain created God, so now the brain has to burden its creation. I'm not really sure what the rest of the quote represents.
9. Here is some information on Glastonbury where Lower Godly is 'based'. I didn't realise that my cover of the book is actually based on the Glastonbury Tor.
From the Somerset levels arises the famous Glastonbury Tor with the remains of a Church tower on top. The Tor is an ancient Pagan site and is said in myth to be the Isle of Avalon of Arthurian mythology. Many people regard is one of the most important spiritual powerspot in the world
This seems to match this book quite well don't you think?
I had no idea what the cover of the book was based off of until now. So NOW I KNOW.
10. Thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different"? Do these exist in all schools?
Although I have never encountered bullying throughout my elementary school, middle school, or high school career, I have read/watched/heard a lot about the type of bullying that Alex mentions. Unfortunately, I think that even though bullying varies from each school, all involve kids committing "crimes of being offensively different". For example, at my high school, rumors and gossip was incredibly popular, and even though it wasn't indirect bullying, I still found it sad that people would insult other people behind their backs.
11. I found the description of Robert Asquith and how he came about to create the Asquith Academy a nice piece of satire. There seem to be many themes emerging in this book. Does it feel like a YA book to you so far?
It almost feels like a YA book, but there's definitely a lot of words and a lot of concepts that you wouldn't see in a YA novel. I'm not really sure about the boundaries, but right now I see it as a Fiction or a "New Adult" book.
12. The descriptions of Mr Treadstone's knowledge of the English language reminded me of Stephen Fry. Did you have an English teacher like that?
Nope, never had a teacher that was so strict on grammar or speaking.
13. Alex being chased down by those three awful bullies was uncomfortable reading! I was glad when he hid in the shed. He has penance with Mr Peterson, which is where that part of the story shall begin, but what of the bullies? Will they just come after him again?
The bullies will probably come after him again, but then again they will probably steer clear of Alex because the bullies did break something. I just found it sad that no one believed Alex, especially his mother.
14. Thoughts on Mr Peterson so far? Does it affect your enjoyment of the novel knowing that he will end up in an urn by the end of the book?
So far I don't have a strong opinion of Mr. Peterson. But if I do end up liking him a lot, then yes I will very sad when he dies.
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9. same here. Doesn't it look like an amazing place to visit?!
11. me too. Yes, I guess at the end of the day it is a "coming of age" story
15. I am more intrigued to read that one after starting this book
19. I understand that feeling
22. good point. This was one of those "defining" moments in Alex's life
24. Good description of the two of them!!
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15. you're probably right ;)
16. true!
19. I agree. there are some very clever life insights
20. Yes and I just watched a Stephen Fry documentary that agrees with your mum!
24. totally nuts ;)
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7. Yes and I think there is a difference between making the choice to stay in bed and being forced to due to injury/illness
8. I found it kind of circular. Hurts my mind to think about it :)
13. yes, and she didn't really try and understand what happened either (although we are only getting Alex's POV on her I suppose)
Comments and QuestionsChapters 1-3
1. How do you find the writing style (first person narrative, starting at the end and going back in time)?
I really enjoy it so far. It has a nice voice as narrator and I like the funny mentions like how to describe a person.
2. What did you think of the initial chapter and the scene at the police station? Are you finding humour in the book? It reminds me in many ways of The Rosie Project with that awkward humour.
I didn't read The Rosie Project. The first chapter was weird and so was the scene at the police station and now we are back at the beginning and I really like. I also enjoy the humour in this one.
3. We don't know who Alex's father is, his mother is a cartomancer, and he seems to have no other family. Does this impact your opinion of him knowing what kind of upbringing he may have had?
No, not really.
4. Thoughts on Dr Weir? I wonder who "Mr Knowles" is that the police referred to in the beginning (as not having told them about his epilepsy)
I loved Dr. Weir. I really appreciate that she took the time to answer all of his questions. I really hate it when adults lose their temper when kids ask so many questions. I mean, they should ask. We should worry if they don't ask. Curiosity is great thing!
5. Ann Hodges was hit by a meteorite in her Alabama home in 1954. More info and a picture of her wound can be found at the National Geographic website here.
Wow! I must confess I never thought it was possible.
6. Tarot cards seem to play an important role in his family (and perhaps the rest of the book?).
I love tarot! A deck of tarot cards is on my birthday wishlist (and it's this month!!) as there is a superstition that says you should not buy your first tarot pack, but receive it as a gift. Well, if nobody is buying it for me I'll just do it myself.
Chapters 12-1420. Alex has an argument with his mother because he feels no remorse. Did you take a side?
As I was reading the argument I did take a side- Alex's. I felt like his mother was not listening to Alex and was just saying that Declan was a good boy and that Alex should not have acted as he did- even though Alex's mother didn't know the full story. It's always important to see both sides of a story before saying anything.
21. I loved that Mr Peterson wrote to Alex and sent him the book. What did you think of his reasons for forgiving Alex?
I think that Mr. Peterson considered what Mrs. Peterson would have done and said and decided that it was important to forgive Alex. I also agree with Kelly and think that Mr. Peterson was lonely and missed having Alex around.
22. Mr Peterson remains "calm and focused" when Kurt is hurt and I liked how he explained to Alex why they were putting Kurt down. Thoughts on his character and these scenes?
I think that Mr. Peterson has witnessed far worse things than his dog getting hurt (he did go through a war) and so he managed to remain "calm and focused". I think the fact that Alex was there and was upset about the entire thing also caused Mr. Peterson to be calm. I think this shows a lot for his character and what kind of a person he is.
23. The "Secular Church of Kurt Vonnegut"! What a great idea to get together a book club. Were you surprised that people joined it? That Mr Peterson agreed to this?
I wasn't surprised about how many people joined the book club- I think that a lot of the people who joined wanted to help Alex out or wanted to meet Alex. I also think that people enjoy having a sense of community and expressing their joy of something in a group (hence why all of us on Goodreads join these book clubs). I was not surprised that Mr. Peterson agreed either- I think that he enjoys having Alex around and wants to help him in anything he wants to do. I also think that Mr. Peterson wanted others to talk to, and so a book club would allow him to meet others- and talk to them about some of his favourite books.
24. What do you think of Ellie? Will her character play a bigger role in Alex's life soon?
Ellie is a very interesting character- I'm not sure what to really think of her. I do think that she is seeking attention. I think her character will play a much bigger role in Alex's life soon (especially since in the first chapter she is mentioned).
QUESTIONS FOR CH 4-87. The description of that first seizure, and his subsequent need to be "brainbound" was sad and a little disconcerting. Thoughts?
It is really sad. I was diagnosed with epilepsy when I was about Alex's age and it was pretty scary. I remember my mum not wanting to leave me on my own just like Rowena in the book.
8. Are you familiar with Emily Dickinson? Did you re-read that quote over and over? (I did!!) What is your interpretation?
I have never heard of her but the verse was a bit odd. It didn't make any sense to me. I read it several times too.
10. Thoughts on the "crimes of being offensively different"? Do these exist in all schools?
I was thinking about this. I am a teacher in a high school and I don't think it does in the same way it used to. If children have special needs or a disability they are accepted by the majority of students. I guess the only ones that have real trouble are the really quiet ones who are a bit odd and have unusual habits.
11. I found the description of Robert Asquith and how he came about to create the Asquith Academy a nice piece of satire. There seem to be many themes emerging in this book. Does it feel like a YA book to you so far?
I loved the bit that said he had to do what his mother never wanted to do. It is just like being a mum isn't it. We don't want our children to do the things we did a lot of the time. No, the book doesn't feel like a YA book at all, in fact I think I will recommend it to my village book club.
12. The descriptions of Mr Treadstone's knowledge of the English language reminded me of Stephen Fry. Did you have an English teacher like that?
My English teacher was very young and pregnant which was fascinating to me at that age. She then left on maternity leave and I can't for the life of me remember who replaced her. She wasn't married either which was kinda shocking at that time. She was great fun and always tried to make the lessons interesting.
13. Alex being chased down by those three awful bullies was uncomfortable reading! I was glad when he hid in the shed. He has penance with Mr Peterson, which is where that part of the story shall begin, but what of the bullies? Will they just come after him again?
I hated that bit as it made me feel so sorry for him. There is a boy in my class at the moment being bullied and it is so difficult to know what to do. You don't want to get him in more trouble. But I imagined him being chased by them and felt bad. I hope they get their comeuppance as their behaviour was appalling. Mr Peterson is an interesting character isn't he?
14. Thoughts on Mr Peterson so far? Does it affect your enjoyment of the novel knowing that he will end up in an urn by the end of the book?
No not really. He is quite old anyway but he seems to be quite wise so I am hoping that he will understand Alex more than other people do.
15. I have read reviews of this book where people compare the writing style to that of Kurt Vonnegut, whose works also play a large part in this section of the book. Have you read any of his books?I've heard of his name, but didn't know he was an author. I'll go check them out right now.
16. The "special letter writing club" that Mr Peterson belongs to is Amnesty International! I quite liked the statement "But sometimes people have homes and possessions you don't expect, and hobbies you can't even imagine". Thoughts?
It's definitely true that you can't judge a person before you get to know them. At first I thought Mr. Peterson was just going to be one of those typical characters that are grumpy all the time, but after finding out more about him, I realized that that wasn't true. Sometimes he could be irritable but he seems to support Alex a lot. He kind of reminds me of Mr. Frederickson from the movie Up!
17. When Mr Peterson gave Alex the book with his wife's inscription I thought that was a lovely gesture. I was absolutely heartbroken with what happened next. How will Alex be able to explain himself properly so they become friends again?
I hated that part. And while I was reading it, I just knew it was going to turn out bad.
18. The interrogation at school about the "bus incident" made me laugh, but also squirm. It is so frustrating that Alex's teachers and mother don't seem to understand he is being bullied. Do you think it is realistic that no-one suspects what is happening?
I really hope it isn't realistic. It's not fair that Alex gets punished when he was the victim. I think this is the problem with some school systems. The teachers only really care about cooperation and "solving the problem", when they should realize that there's a clear bullying situation. This might be one of the reasons why victims of bullying don't go to adults straight away because they are afraid of the consequences.
19. We're about 40% through the book. What are your thoughts on it so far? Enjoying/ambivalent/giving up?
I'm enjoying this book so much, but I'm starting to fear how it's going to end.
20. Alex has an argument with his mother because he feels no remorse. Did you take a side?I take his side completely (probably because I used to be, and still am, a rebellious teenager and I always thought I was right. I'll probably take the side of the mother once I actually become a mother).
21. I loved that Mr Peterson wrote to Alex and sent him the book. What did you think of his reasons for forgiving Alex?
I am so so so glad that Mr. Peterson did end up forgiving Alex, and even sent him the copy of the book. I bet he ended up forgiving him because he realizes that it's just a material item, and friendship is more important than that.
22. Mr Peterson remains "calm and focused" when Kurt is hurt and I liked how he explained to Alex why they were putting Kurt down. Thoughts on his character and these scenes?
Honestly at first I thought he was going to yell at the lady for running over Kurt, so I was incredibly surprised when he didn't. And then he also decided to put Kurt down. The entire scene kind of surprised me in general. It definitely made me like Mr. Peterson more.
23. The "Secular Church of Kurt Vonnegut"! What a great idea to get together a book club. Were you surprised that people joined it? That Mr Peterson agreed to this?
I'm not surprised that Mr. Peterson agreed to it, but I am surprised at the fact that people actually joined it. If I ever did anything like this in real life, I probably would get maybe 1 or 2 people, but then after that no one would come anymore.
24. What do you think of Ellie? Will her character play a bigger role in Alex's life soon?
I don't know how I feel about Ellie so far, but I am really curious as to how her relationship with Alex will develop over the course of the novel. Right now I think she's just using him to get a job.
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1. It is pretty humorous :)
4. me too - i agree!
6. (many) years ago a friend and I agreed to buy eachother a pack. That way it is given to you ;)
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20. I agree with you, although with hindsight we only have Alex's POV so I wonder how much bias was in his recollection of events?...
22. yes, true
23. good point
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@Clare
7. Oh that gives you a very spcial insight into this book then
10. well that is good to know
11. lol, yes
12. I love those snippets of memory we have :)
14. Yes, I think you're right and he understands Alex where no-one else seems to
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@Valerie
16. Great comparison!
17. me too :(
18. true.
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Chapters 15-17
25. It has been five years and Alex now feels ready to donate his meteorite. Did you agree with his decision? Have you been to the London National History Museum?
26. The car accident and Mr Peterson's diagnosis felt sudden to me, which is strange as we know from the start of the book that he is going to die. I understood Alex's denial of the situation. Thoughts?
27. Despite most of this section being pretty sad, I like the humour is still peppered through (like Lucy with the next litter of cats!). Are there any humorous parts of the book, or quotes, so far that have stuck out to you?
28. How awful that Alex was the one to discover Mr Peterson. Were you surprised? How did you feel about Alex hiding his DNR note and calling the hospital?
29. Ellie seems to be more of a friend to Alex than he realises. Is it possible she is also right about his mother and that he is just seeing things in a different way than what his mother intends?
25. It has been five years and Alex now feels ready to donate his meteorite. Did you agree with his decision? Have you been to the London National History Museum?I think that it was very mature gesture to donate the meteorite. I believe it was another turning point for Alex.
I was in the London's Natural History Museum last year and I was amazed by the exibitions and the scale of this place. I was there for only few hours, but I would like to come back and spend there a whole day to take everything in :)
26. The car accident and Mr Peterson's diagnosis felt sudden to me, which is strange as we know from the start of the book that he is going to die. I understood Alex's denial of the situation. Thoughts?
Mr Peterson is one of the most important person for Alex and it is understandable that he doesn't want to believe in the diagnosis. For me the type of illness was unexpected, I presumed it would be cancer rather than some brain problems.
27. Despite most of this section being pretty sad, I like the humour is still peppered through (like Lucy with the next litter of cats!). Are there any humorous parts of the book, or quotes, so far that have stuck out to you?
I also like the way the author deals with difficult moments in the book. Alex doesn't lose his sense of humour and the way he perceives the world. He has his "integrity".
28. How awful that Alex was the one to discover Mr Peterson. Were you surprised? How did you feel about Alex hiding his DNR note and calling the hospital?
I was angry with Alex, I think he had no right to discard Mr Peterson's note. On the other hand this part reminds me about the dilemmas from Me Before You by Jojo Mojes. There are no good decisions in such situations, it is only due to one's moral judgement.
29. Ellie seems to be more of a friend to Alex than he realises. Is it possible she is also right about his mother and that he is just seeing things in a different way than what his mother intends?
I agree with Ellie, I like her character and the way she treats Alex despite their obvious differences. I also think that Alex is angry and frustrated because of the tension and thus he feels more misunderstood than he really is.
Karen wrote: "6. (many) years ago a friend and I agreed to buy eachother a pack. That way it is given to you ;)"That's a great idea. Now I only need to find that friend.
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25. Yes, and very mature of him. I loved this part. I spent a day at the museum too. Amazing place!
26. I assumed it would be something along those lines too
28. This books ia bit of a hybrid of Me Before You and The Rosie Project for me. There are no "right" answers. I tried to put myself in that situation, and I can see how hard it would be to just let someone die
29. I like her too :)
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I hope you find the friend :D
Chapters 15- 17 25. It has been five years and Alex now feels ready to donate his meteorite. Did you agree with his decision? Have you been to the London National History Museum?
I did agree with Alex's decision. He took the time he wanted to spend with his meteorite and now he feels ready to share it with the world. I think that since he made the decision himself, it definitely was the right decision.
I have never been to the London National History Museum but would love to go some day.
26. The car accident and Mr Peterson's diagnosis felt sudden to me, which is strange as we know from the start of the book that he is going to die. I understood Alex's denial of the situation. Thoughts?
The car accident and diagnosis were sudden to me also. We did know that Mr. Peterson was going to die from the beginning of the book, but I think that we became attached to him and didn't really want to say goodbye. I completely understand Alex's denial of the situation-None of us want to believe someone we love is sick and won't be alive for forever.
27. Despite most of this section being pretty sad, I like the humour is still peppered through (like Lucy with the next litter of cats!). Are there any humorous parts of the book, or quotes, so far that have stuck out to you?
There are several parts throughout the book that have been quite humorous! One of my favourite lines is: "Rest assured: by the time I was ten, I had managed to fine out what my mother meant. She meant that as far as our family was concerned, only the cat had a sex life" (P.46).
28. How awful that Alex was the one to discover Mr Peterson. Were you surprised? How did you feel about Alex hiding his DNR note and calling the hospital?
My heart broke when Alex was the one who discovered Mr. Peterson. What a horrible thing to have happen. I was very surprised that he discovered him (as I am sure Mr. Peterson was too!) I think that Alex wasn't ready to say goodbye so I completely understand why he hid the DNR not and called the hospital. It's important that the living have a chance to say goodbye before "pulling the plug".
29. Ellie seems to be more of a friend to Alex than he realizes. Is it possible she is also right about his mother and that he is just seeing things in a different way than what his mother intends?
I think the children and parents have an innate "never see things the same way" while the children are young. I think we want to agree with our parents and see things from their perspective, but something inside us tells us not to. I mean I remember when I was younger I NEVER agreed with my mother... she was right, but why would I give her the power of being right? Now that I am older, things are a lot different.
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25. I agree. No one was pressuring him at all
27. LOL! I forgot about that one. Brilliant
29. So true
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Comments and questions
Chapters 18-20
30. What did you think of the description of Ellie's apartment? She said Alex is like a "brother" to her, but then kisses him. Will we get some romance in this story after all?
31. The writer introduces more satire by explaining the media/society's reaction to Alex's story. questioning the relationship he had with Mr Peterson, referring to the "Death Tapes", branding Alex a sociopath... Comments?
32. Do you think Alex should have told his mum (or anyone) about the pact he made with Mr Peterson?
33. Alex sees the pact as his "final act of friendship" with Mr Peterson. I worry about how this will affect him ; watching his only friend die. Thoughts?
34. The escape from the hospital was pretty intense. This book is asking a lot from it's readers with some very adult concepts. Do you think it is important for YA fiction to explore these types of themes?
25. It has been five years and Alex now feels ready to donate his meteorite. Did you agree with his decision? Have you been to the London National History Museum?I definitely agree with his decision because it shows that he's moving on by donating his meteorite to the museum.
26. The car accident and Mr Peterson's diagnosis felt sudden to me, which is strange as we know from the start of the book that he is going to die. I understood Alex's denial of the situation. Thoughts?
Honestly I didn't think Mr. Peterson was going to die of a terminal disease. And I think the reason it was so sudden was because we found out about halfway in the book. I was expecting to find out he died almost near the end. And I definitely understand why Alex is so in denial, because Mr. Peterson isn't planning to do anything about the disease. He just accepts everything the doctor tells him.
27. Despite most of this section being pretty sad, I like the humour is still peppered through (like Lucy with the next litter of cats!). Are there any humorous parts of the book, or quotes, so far that have stuck out to you?
I didn't really notice the humor that much. I'm still looking forward to the book having a happy ending (or at least a good ending)
28. How awful that Alex was the one to discover Mr Peterson. Were you surprised? How did you feel about Alex hiding his DNR note and calling the hospital?
I knew there was something up because it led up to it (Alex saying he misunderstood what Mr. Peterson was talking about). But then again I was surprised when Mr. Peterson did end up trying to kill himself. I am really not liking the fact that there are a lot of sad-ish scenes in the book. I really thought this book would be more happy. Maybe it will be in the end.
29. Ellie seems to be more of a friend to Alex then he realises. Is it possible she is also right about his mother and that he is just seeing things in a different way than what his mother intends?
Yes it is definitely possible that she is right about that part. His mom was only looking out for him, and because he was upset about Mr. Peterson, she was trying to have a normal conversation about the kittens in order to get his mind off of it.
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Books mentioned in this topic
Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close (other topics)The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time (other topics)
The Orphan Master's Son (other topics)
The Rosie Project (other topics)
The Universe Versus Alex Woods (other topics)
Be prepared for spoilers!
Synopsis:
A rare meteorite struck Alex Woods when he was ten years old, leaving scars and marking him for an extraordinary future. The son of a fortune teller, bookish, and an easy target for bullies, Alex hasn't had the easiest childhood.
But when he meets curmudgeonly widower Mr. Peterson, he finds an unlikely friend. Someone who teaches him that that you only get one shot at life. That you have to make it count.
So when, aged seventeen, Alex is stopped at customs with 113 grams of marijuana, an urn full of ashes on the front seat, and an entire nation in uproar, he's fairly sure he's done the right thing ...
Introducing a bright young voice destined to charm the world, The Universe Versus Alex Woods is a celebration of curious incidents, astronomy and astrology, the works of Kurt Vonnegut and the unexpected connections that form our world.