The Fall of Five
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I agree, Sarah's just a bunch of baggage, and we already learnt so much about Four already. I wish we could've had Fall of Five in Nine's perspective (that would've been soooo funny) Or eight's perspective, because I always wondered how he thought of Marina. I wish it was Four and not Eight who...you know.Like Fall of Five was perfect in the beginning. They all got together, played capture the flag and there was enough of Nine's sarcasm, Marina and Eight romance, but it's all ruined! Seriously out of everyone why did it have to be Eight!!! Why couldn't it be like Sarah, or Four?!!!!!
I know fours legacies aren't the best but he is really good at stratagizing and is the one that mostly comes up with the plans. It's like what nine said to him " u do the thinking and I'll do the ass kicking, it's what we are best at"I really like nine but I don't think he would be the best leader because he only really thinks about the fighting and he doesn't really consider stuff like four does. Also fours legacies are kind of bad but they are getting better and he can only get stronger throughout the next book. He had healing now and he can also control his lumon enough to set himself on fire with his hands rather than waiting for something else to do it for him.
I kind if get what u mean about Sarah but they all need to have a little bit of happiness during the crazy battles and wars they're fighting and Marina and eight are kind of together like how the snuck out to the water front without telling anyone
Oh, man, more Sarah hate... For two three books, all I heard was, "Sarah's a liability. Six is so strong. Sarah brings the whole team down and puts them in danger. Six is so tough. Sarah's so useless, etc, etc."... Book four, they let Sarah do more, give her a gun, show she isn't useless... And the haters still hate... lol...
She isn't AS useless.....but I still feel like Four's character would have been better without her......I hope the next book has Nine's perspective
I HATE FOUR, THE JERK.
And am I the only one who has no idea who Alex Pettyfer
is?
He is the guy who plays Four in the movie Why so much hate for him though???
I just dislike his character a lot. He isn't likable, like Eight or Six.
^^ Exactly! I love Six to bits, and she's definitely one of my favs... but why all the Sarah hate? She can use a gun, she makes John happy, and, lets not forget, SHE TEAMED UP WITH SAM AT THE END OF THE FALL OF FIVE AND THEY KICKED SOME MOG ASS! Without her there, Malcolm, Four, and Sam would probably all be dead.
As for Four...
He's obviously NOT the best character, but just remember: if you hate the main character, the rest of the books will become unbearable! To each his own though :)
There is no possible way that the story could have worked so well if he had died instead of Eight. Eight dying motivated them. Know what i mean? If Four died, sure they would be sad, but the readers wouldn't have reacted the same! I think something will definitely happen with Eight (im guessing)... don't loose hope or write him off just yet!
Angel wrote: "Ok, i'm probably gonna get alot of hate for this but: as some of you may know, I absolutely HATE John/Four's guts. Before you John/Four/ALEX PETTYFER obsessors get angry....I have my reasons:He i..."
i agree with everything you say
I HATE how four is overly obsessed with sarah, its uberannoying. like I seriously hate sarah, shes too weak, and now four gets obsessed with her and hes becoming vukerable. he just depends on sarah too much, and sarah depends on him way too much
Ok guys...I'm not hating on Sarah, I just said that it was a coincidence that she knew her way around a gun...which is good isn't it? I like Sarah, I just don't like Four..
Mojoboy31 wrote: "Oh, man, more Sarah hate... For two three books, all I heard was, "Sarah's a liability. Six is so strong. Sarah brings the whole team down and puts them in danger. Six is so tough. Sarah's so usele..."What did I say about Sarah that was resulted as hate?
AND DON'T FORGET THE SECOND REASON PEOPLE! Tell me what you think about that please :))))
@Angel: I was exaggerating, and being sarcastic; trying to be funny. But seriously, people hated Sarah for three books because of how week she was, and a liability. Now, she can use a gun and hold her own, and wants to fight and do her part, and..... it's all just a bit too coincidental, isn't it?... See my point?
Oh yeah the whole thing going on with six and four...is really awkward and now Sam? Yeah... can't wait to see what happens with all three of them. Honestly, i think six has feelings for four.
Angel wrote: "AND DON'T FORGET THE SECOND REASON PEOPLE! Tell me what you think about that please :))))"The second thing? You mean him not apologizing? Even though, he did apologize, and Six told him to stop. He even says something like "I feel like she's trying to let me off the hook", then he tries to press a second time and she shuts him down again.
He also admits that there was *something* there, just not anything like what's there with Sarah. And Six, herself, admits that she doesn't love John like Sarah loves John...
So, why the Four hate there?
Mojoboy31 wrote: "Angel wrote: "AND DON'T FORGET THE SECOND REASON PEOPLE! Tell me what you think about that please :))))"The second thing? You mean him not apologizing? Even though, he did apologize, and Six told..."
Cause it's obvious that Six still likes John. Six shutting him down? Maybe because she doesn't want to hear Four saying he loves Sarah? I mean, remember that Six kissed Four, not the other way around, meaning that she does have feelings for him. And calling the kiss stupid just ended it for me there, that was when I decided to despise Four. I like Six, she's one of my favourite characters, seeing that Four was playing with her feelings hurt me as well as it could've hurt her
My point is that he did try to apologize. Right, Six kissed John, not the other way around, and let's not forget that she'd kissed Sam like two seconds before that kiss. And let's also remember Six's "Maybe I like Sam, maybe I like you, maybe I like you both" speech from Power Of Six.How is telling her that the kiss was stupid playing her feelings? Playing her feelings would have been to lead her on, keep her on the back burner in case the whole Sarah thing didn't work out, and keep Six interested... That would have been playing her feelings. Giving her a clean break is the exact opposite of that.
Mojoboy31 wrote: "My point is that he did try to apologize. Right, Six kissed John, not the other way around, and let's not forget that she'd kissed Sam like two seconds before that kiss. And let's also remember Six..."Kissed Sam before....on the cheek :P
That whole speech, what about it? She can choose to like both, like how Four can too...
Ok, he wasn't playing with her feelings, I must give up on that...But calling the kiss stupid was still utterly stupid.
peace!
-Angel
Angel wrote: "Mojoboy31 wrote: "My point is that he did try to apologize. Right, Six kissed John, not the other way around, and let's not forget that she'd kissed Sam like two seconds before that kiss. And let's..."lol!
Except Four didn't choose to like both. He chose one. It just wasn't Six ;P
Yep... Yeah, it probably was utterly stupid.
I enjoyed talking with you.
Just to clarify, I meant no offense, and took no offense. You can't offend me; I'm impossible to offend.
Mojoboy31 wrote: "Angel wrote: "Mojoboy31 wrote: "My point is that he did try to apologize. Right, Six kissed John, not the other way around, and let's not forget that she'd kissed Sam like two seconds before that k..."Yeah....I'm just saying he can
Mmmhmmm
I enjoyed talking with you aswell, I guess?
And your saying this becaaaaaauuuusseee?
I've accidentally offended people in the past. I'd hate to think I offended anyone in the conversation, so I just wanted to clarify.
I hate John too! I mean, I don't hate him as in "I want him to die", but he bothers me so much with his impulses. He just does things because he feels like it, he doesn't think the consequences, and he's too emotional to be a leader. Besides, his obsession with Sarah in the middle of the battle (always) it's just ARGH... I wanna kick him and say to him: "Dude, what's wrong with you?!" But whatever, he's now the leader... I think Six or Marina deserve that spot better.
I vote Six for President! Or leader... That's cool too :P
Six should be President, and Marina should be Vice President. :)
i think the "i hate sarah" fanclub should stop. she's a human so obviously she can't be as kickass as six but she does tries and that's what i give her credit for. john loves sarah and there's nothing anyone can do about it. sarah actually tried to be useful especially when she feels out of the group because of her status so quit calling her a traitor or whatever
Blogger wrote: "i think the "i hate sarah" fanclub should stop. she's a human so obviously she can't be as kickass as six but she does tries and that's what i give her credit for. john loves sarah and there's noth..."Again, we aren't hating on Sarah....where does the Sarah hate show? I'm here because of Four, i'm not hating on Sarah :P
Blogger wrote: "i think the "i hate sarah" fanclub should stop. she's a human so obviously she can't be as kickass as six but she does tries and that's what i give her credit for. john loves sarah and there's noth..."And plus, you can't tell them not to hate on Sarah, it's their opinion, no one should change that. Of coarse Sarah's changed and I like her now, but that shouldn't mean that EVERYONE should love her. Some people like her, some people love her and some people hate her....what's so bad about that?
Starcrystal wrote: "Six should be President, and Marina should be Vice President. :)"Oh of course!! I would move to the US if that happened! xD
I think all this Sarah hate just makes me like her even more... screw the haters!
I'm kind of neutral on the whole Sarah thing. I hated her first three books, and she was ok in fall of five. I would like her, except I think she distracts Four too much.
Agreed. Four needs to grab a brain and get to work. He can get all gooey eyed with Sarah when its all said and done. Until then, he needs to get his butt in gear and train like a mad man. I hated Sarah for the first two books, but she's growing on me a little. She never ever will be my favourite character, but at least she hasn't lost her mind like Five... yet xD
Kimberly wrote: "I agree, Sarah's just a bunch of baggage, and we already learnt so much about Four already. I wish we could've had Fall of Five in Nine's perspective (that would've been soooo funny) Or eight's per..."I Know! Eight shouldn't have died, he was my absolute favorite!
From a purely writing standpoint-- if John did nothing but train like a madman, there'd be basically no romance in the book. There was a little bit between Eight and Marina, which is apparently okay because they're both Loric. No one cared that they went out and whatever, instead of training and focusing. And no one cared when Six was flirting with John while they were on the run from Mogadorians, etc... For some reason people have singled out the Sarah romance arc. John is one of the main characters-- pretty much the main. It's a YA book, so a romance is kinda required from a writing standpoint.And the romance in Rise Of Nine and Fall Of Five is very downplayed compared to other YA books out there.
Thats true. It's kind of a break from all the love triangles... and we all know which books im talking about there (*Cough cough* Twilight.. the Hunger Games..)
Mojoboy31 wrote: "From a purely writing standpoint-- if John did nothing but train like a madman, there'd be basically no romance in the book. There was a little bit between Eight and Marina, which is apparently oka..."Very true. I believe the reason people are focusing on Four and Sarah' romance may just be the character popularity factor. Notice how nearly everyone likes Eight and Marina, but Four and Sarah have quite a few haters?(I admit, I am a Four hater, and was a Sarah one until Tfo5)
Mojoboy31 wrote: "From a purely writing standpoint-- if John did nothing but train like a madman, there'd be basically no romance in the book. There was a little bit between Eight and Marina, which is apparently oka..."Hes not the main, hes one of them, but hes not THE main character...I mean sure, he seemed to be the main character in I Am Number Four, but that's only because Pitticus needed a narrator in the story (obviously) so he chose four...but later on other points of views come together which doesn't make him the main character. So hes one of the mains, not THE main
Cassidy wrote: "Thats true. It's kind of a break from all the love triangles... and we all know which books im talking about there (*Cough cough* Twilight.. the Hunger Games..)"DONT BRING THE BEST BOOK INTO THIS! I'm talking about The Hunger Games....not Twilight, that was just a load of rubbish
@Angel: I said, "pretty much"; as in, "kinda". Book one is told completely from John's P.O.V. Book two switches from John to Marina. It isn't until book three that Six even gets her own narration, and it's divided by John and Marina's. Book four switches from Sam, John and Marina. I don't think Six even had her own narration in book four.Sam is definitely in the "side-character" column. Aside from John, Marina is the only one that really competes as far as narration goes.
In any case, I think it's fair to say that John is the "male-lead" of the story.
Mojoboy31 wrote: "@Angel: I said, "pretty much"; as in, "kinda". Book one is told completely from John's P.O.V. Book two switches from John to Marina. It isn't until book three that Six even gets her own narration, ..."Yes, he is the male-lead....he's not the main character, no one is.
Either way, he's the male lead, he kinda has to have at least a small measure of romance, right? And the John/Sarah romance is really downplayed compared to some other YA books out there.
Mojoboy31 wrote: "Either way, he's the male lead, he kinda has to have at least a small measure of romance, right? And the John/Sarah romance is really downplayed compared to some other YA books out there."I never said that he shouldn't love who he wants to love....when did i say that? If he wants to love Sarah then fine, i'm happy with that. I'm not saying that he shouldn't get any romance at all...
Angel wrote: "Mojoboy31 wrote: "Either way, he's the male lead, he kinda has to have at least a small measure of romance, right? And the John/Sarah romance is really downplayed compared to some other YA books ou..."When did I imply that you said that?
I'm talking about from a writing standpoint, the Sarah/John romance is kinda downplayed in comparison to other YA books.
Earlier someone said that John should train like a madman. From a writing standpoint, that wouldn't allow much in the way of romance, and with John being the male-lead, romance is kinda required, and with the romance being very much downplayed, I don't really see the problem.
I'm not saying or implying that you said those things. I was just rephrasing what I had said earlier, trying to make it more clear.
In terms of strength, leadership and priorities, I think John is going to get some massive character development in the next book. But for the moment, no, I don't particularly like him either.
I don't hate Sarah. Or Four. But my favorite character is Marina. And among all the guy characters, Eight definitely has my heart. I can't get over his death. It's just that...I looked everywhere for this book because I was like "I can't wait for Eight and Marina.." They were PERFECT for each other. I love the part where they sneak out and went to the waterfront. It was so cute. I admit, I'm a true MarinaxEight fan, no doubt about it. I still think and I'm hoping that eight comes back to life. Remember the part when Six told Marina they had to go and Marina went to Eight's body and said it was on ice? She even mentioned that What happened in New Mexico looks more fatal. What if Eight gets preserved? I don't hate Nine though I have to agree that sometimes being quiet is the least thing he could do. But Eight knew about the prophecy right? back in the cave? But he still took the stab. And Ella...I have a feeling that she is blood-related to Setrakus Ra. o.o Its possible? Marina, she had developed a new legacy. cool. The book was A TOTAL CLIFF HANGER. -_- but all in all, I love the series. when will the next book be released? I can't wait.
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He is, kind of, letting his teammates down. And for what? A girl.... A girl meaning A normal human being whose always so perfect and who coincidently knows her way around a gun and COINCIDENTLY...she is awesome and bad-ass with it. Which is good so the haters can stop saying how weak she is. Anyways....He is letting his team down with the 'huge' amount of practice they get. (By huge I mean barely.) he isn't good enough to be the leader i think. He's too soft and he doesn't have the best legacies (Eight and Six have the best legacies and Nine, I believe, should be the leader...I love him so much!)
Another reason is that: He didn't even apologise to Six! He should've, but he didn't. I mean, he kisses her at The Power Of Six, he said he didn't love her in The Rise Of Nine, and says the kiss was never meant to happen and he says it was stupid. He knows Six liked him, why play her feelings like that John? He doesn't even deserve her to be honest. Six is one of the best characters...
In my opinion (This is when the obsessors might have the urge to kill me..) but I think Four is such a douche nugget who cares about his girl and his love life more than the actual war! I may be the only one but.....eh :P