Martin, George R.R: A Game of Thrones (buddy read revisit) Start Date: December 2, 2013 [A Song of Ice & Fire #1] - revisit Sep 12th, 2015 - revisit May 2017 **REVISIT** June 2018

[Kimberly]

Chapters 12 - 15
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5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?
The Wall has become a place to send the criminals, outcasts and other less desirables. It no longer carries with it the noble status it once did. I guess it's a way to rid the general society of these people while keeping them useful. A historical equivalent of having prisoners work to make masses of goods, I suppose.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?
The Lannisters ALWAYS take, and not always what is offered. This sentence does not change my opinion, just reinforces it.

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?
I LOVE it. Two of my favourite characters. People who are ultimately good at heart - but are not accepted by their families. Family is what seems to define a person so being ostracized is the ultimate punishment. These two, however, remain good...er... so to speak.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?
Poor old Catelyn. She is a mother (of her own kids) first and foremost and, although she seems a bit brutal, it's not hard to see where she's coming from. Her husband cheated. She can't just leave him. And, her husband is a good man, for the most part. She struggles with being a good wife to a man who may not always deserve it. I really feel for her. And she's nursing a dying child - her ferociousness and motherly instinct couldn't have been any more clear than in the scene where the library fire blazed.

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[Amanda]

Lisa Kay’s Questions for Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)
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1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom?
I knew what was going to happen because I saw the first season of the tv show. But I do remember even then thinking that it was a bad idea and something was being set up. His pup's growls made me even more apprehensive.

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one?
Same as above, I already knew. But even then, I think it was fairly obvious who they were after a minute.

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frightened cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement?
Yes, eavesdropping was very effective. Otherwise, the reader would always have a bit of doubt. I think Jon knew a secret and the two of them were worried he may have told his wife one night.

4) Since Bran is a POV character in this story, it would be surprising if he died so early in the story; therefore, what condition do you think he will be in after the push? (Any comments about the push?)
I was surprised to realize that maybe Jaime had a bit or remorse, or at least self-loathing about hurting Bran. I would have been surprised if he had died so early in the story.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark?
I loved the part where Tyrion slapped the prince. I wish had had done it again :D. I think he was trying to teach Joffrey that he needs to treat others better than he had been, regardless of his feelings.

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer?
I think he guesses quite a bit of it. He is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. I think people underestimate him because of his outer appearance.

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers?
I loved that he said goodbye to Bran, even though he knew she was going to be a coldhearted bitch about it. I don't have any respect for her so far. Jon was brave for going up there, and I think it shows how much he cares for his siblings.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature?
I'm not sure about him yet. He certainly seems to have something up his sleeves.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality?
I'm not sure yet...still deciding what I think of him. He seems to have his own agenda.

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments.
Yes. And I was surprised by the fact that he was somewhat affectionate/gentle. I wonder why they made that scene in the show into a rough grapple?

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Sarah's Questions for Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)
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1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair?
I was confused by this. I think he had only one affair, but both women were something to him. Ashara seemed to be very important. I'm intrigued.

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?
It makes me question Viserus’ accounts of his family's downfall. He seemed to think they had all been wronged and that his brother was some hero. But now I wonder just how terrible they had been.

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice?
It is very good advice, but I think it is foreshadowing something. The Lannisters all seem to want control of as much land and people as they can get. That would be very bad!

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne?
Jaime is very insolent, but he doesn't seem to me to want the crown. I could be wrong, but he seems like he would prefer to be the one running things from the shadows.

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?
Yes. I hate that Jon was allowed to believe he would be working with honorable men who joined of their own free will.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?
I think it means that they will use anything they are given to further their own ambitions. In a way, that does change how I think of Jaime. Maybe he thought the throne was offered because he was the one to kill the king?

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?
I like it. They are misfits in their own way and they should help each other out. Tyrion can give Jon some much-needed advice, and Jon can give Tyrion a small bit of friendship.

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why?
Definitely a Lannister sent him to kill Bran. Since we know the queen is afraid of what he'll tell, I believe it was her who sent the man.

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters?
I think he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Or a fish in wolf's clothing, to be exact. I don't like him nor trust him.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?
Because she's a horrible person?? ;) I think it has to do with family pride and a sense of where she came from.

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why?
Huh. Never even occurred to me. But yes, I think it is significant. Their father's blood and the Northern ways have made them wild. In a good way, I think.

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow?
I love that she got a good whack in at Joffrey, but it will end badly. I can see that it will color a lot of relationships. Joffrey will get revenge somehow, Sansa will always hold it against Arya, and the queen will use it to make people think the Starks are wild.
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[Lisa Kay]

@ Steven

Chapter 8 - #7 - I really struggled with this because I truly liked Catelyn, except for her MAJOR flaw in not liking Jon Snow.


@ Renee

Chapter 8 - #5 - LOL! True!


@ Kimberly
Chapter 8 - #10 - FOFLMBO! What a great idea.


@ Amanda

Chapter 8 - #9 - (view spoiler)[We read this the first time before the HBO special. I remember there was a big debate on whether or not the eggs were viable. (hide spoiler)]

[Teresa]

Well, that took a turn, didn’t it?

Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)

(view spoiler)[1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom?
It did make me concerned because Bran climbed all the time. The direwolf should have been used to this, so the fact that he was unsettled seemed to foreshadow something bad.

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one?
I figured out the queen right away. It took me a bit longer to figure out her brother. Maybe it is good that I did not jump to the assumption that she was sleeping with her brother. Ha.

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frighten cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement?
This was an interesting way to reveal the information. I think this statement suggests that she should not be dismissed lightly because she might be frightened now, but she is used to a position of power and strength. I would also assume that she learned a trick or two being married some someone with that much political power.

4) Since Bran is a POV character in this story, it would be surprising if he died so early in the story; therefore, what condition do you think he will be in after the push? (Any comments about the push?)
I may have peeked ahead to make certain that we would see him again. Because of his resourcefulness, I am hopeful that this trait will carry through after he wakes up.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark?
It seems like Tyrion has a realistic view of his brother and sister, although we have not seem him moving directly against them. This scene felt like a familiar role for Tyrion in providing a counter-balance to the influence of his brother and sister over Joffrey. If so, his influence does not seem to be working, Joeffrey acts more like his own mother.

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer?
At the least, I think he has guessed what they did to Bran. And knows that Bran must have information about something much bigger. I think he may have separated himself from his brother and sister when they left the castle so that he can learn what Bran knows if he wakes. Although, I wonder if he won’t use the information to protect them from themselves.

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers?
I thought it was appropriate because he is about to head out for the Night’s Watch, which will make him grow up much faster. Also, by refusing to allow him to stay, Catelyn removed any leverage she had over Jon to make him behave within a particular way. I don’t think she intended to tell Jon about her prayers. It seemed to be something she was ruminating about, and just came out.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature?
I do not trust Illyrio or his “aid.” I assume that the match was somehow in his best interest.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality?
I think the gift was intended to be a great show. If they are viable, I assume that he is unaware. If he is, it is interesting that he gave them to Dany rather than Viserus.

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments.
This could end up being an interesting story line. It seems that Viserus has given his sister, who he is used to controlling, to a man that will ultimately take full control of her. Viserus’ threat to waken the dragon if she does not please Khal seems silly at this point in the story because I can’t imagine that Khal will allow the dragon anywhere near her. (hide spoiler)]

[Lisa Kay]

@ Teresa

Chapter 8 - #9 - Yes, very interesting. Good catch.

[Teresa]

Sarah's Questions for Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)


(view spoiler)[1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair?
I thought his reaction to Wylla was strange. I had assumed he kept her name quiet out of affection, but Ned seemed to brush her aside in this conversation. It makes me suspicious that Wylla was not actually his mother. Hmmm. Could Jon be Ashara’s son? I have lost track somewhat of the timing, but for some reason I keep wondering if Jon is Eddard’s son or he took him on in someone’s stead. The only ones he seems close enough to for this would be the King or perhaps his sister? I will just have to wait and see, I suppose…

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?
I was not surprised to hear this. I figured whatever he did was not good.

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice?
I think the King is placing himself in harm’s way by giving this much power to one family, especially since we know that they are not looking out for his best interest anyway.

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne?
This did surprise me. Although, on reflection, it fits within the character. He is ruthless enough to push Bran to his death if necessary, so I suppose killing the king he had sworn loyalty to isn’t that different.

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?
Up until this discussion, I was thinking the Night Watch was a noble calling. The book started with the one noble-born NW, and there was a romantic picture of Ned’s brother as NW. This new view of the vocation is quite the opposite, suggesting that the dregs of society are thrown on the wall. Makes me wonder again what they are guarding against, and whether they are getting lax. Interesting that Martin put us in the same place as Jon – thinking the NW was one thing when it was another.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?
I thought this statement was quite true to nature for these characters. They are like passive-aggressive graspers. Even Tyrion, who I like so far, is very comfortable with his position and power. If Jaime could have had the thrown without danger to himself at that moment, I am sure he would have taken it. And I do think that is his current goal.

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?
This has been interesting so far. Tyrion talks to Jon more like he is on the same level. Ha – perhaps he knows who Jon’s mother/father(?) are…

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why?
The only ones to gain from Bran’s death are the Lannisters. And the only ones that know that for sure are the Queen and Jamie. So, my first assumption is one of them. But, I think Tyrion definitely knows that Bran poses a threat they unsuccessfully tried to eliminate. And, for some reason, I think that he does look out for them. I just hope he was not involved because he was one of my favorites so far.

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters?
I think she should be careful who knows about her suspicions. I haven’t formed an opinion of Theon yet.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?
I had not even picked up on this – I just assumed she meant a make Stark. But, there was also her comments of missing home when she went to the sanctuary, so perhaps she does still see herself as an outsider. Rather sad, when you think of it.

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why?
They do seem to fall in one camp or the other.

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow?
This was an interesting parallel to the storyline of Rhaegar, from the little we have so far. There, we aren’t told why Rhaegar ended up raping Ned’s sister, but it seems to have played a large factor in the ensuing rebellion. Here, Arya impulsively decides to take a whack and Joffrey and things take yet another wild turn. I suspect that she placed in danger herself, her pup, and her friend. Not only that, but likely seriously damaged Sansa’s prospects (which may not upset me all that much) and placed her father in a precarious situation. Not so say Joffrey didn’t deserve a good whack – he did. Just think it will have much larger ramifications than poor Arya can imagine or certainly intend. (hide spoiler)]

[Teresa]

@ Amanda

About Rhaeger's acts revealed in Ch. 12-15:

(view spoiler)[2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?
It makes me question Viserus’ accounts of his family's downfall. He seemed to think they had all been wronged and that his brother was some hero. But now I wonder just how terrible they had been.

That is a great insight. It does serve to cast the outgoing rulers in a negative light, and make it much more palatable that Robert and Ned stole the crown.

This also plays out in Robert's reaction to Ned's account of Jaime killing the old king. Robert rightly points out that if not him, it would have been one of them. There is an important line between Jaime, who killed the king he was loyal to, and Ned, who was killing at least in part to avenge the treatment of his sister. (hide spoiler)]

[Renee]

Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)
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1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair?
He doesn't seem the type to cheat, but at that stage he barely knew his wife.

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?
Not really

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice?
Very good advice. If Robert does give East and West to the Lannisters, then dies, his son will be king, who is more a Lannister than a Baratheon, so that is 3/4 of the kingdom in control of one family. Thant canat be good, especially for the Starks who hold the North.

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne?
That doesn't show loyalty, he betrayed the last king he swore fealty to by killing him then sat on his throne. Don't think he was just having a rest - "Iron throne" doesn't sound very comfortable.

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?
No.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?
Don't like him. I think all the Lannisters put themselves first and take what they can get.

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?
Out of all the Lannisters, Tyrion is the most likeable. They are both outcasts. I think Tyrion had some good advice for Jon.

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why?
A hired assassin, probably by Jaime.

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters?
Don't think we know much about him yet. Even though he said he saw himself as one of Neds sons,the Starks did take him as a hostage.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?
The men rule the houses. She married in, she doesn't actually have Stark blood.

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why?
Genetics, these are the traits that go along with those bloodlines.

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow?
Joffrey won't take this humiliation, he will retaliate and through around his power. (hide spoiler)]

[Amanda]

Teresa wrote: "@ Amanda

About Rhaeger's acts revealed in Ch. 12-15:"

Very true, Teresa. That conversation was very telling.

[✿Claire✿]

I'm still a bit behind but I'm working a very late shift tonight so tomorrow is a write off for anything other than sitting on the sofa so I should catch up then! :)

[CassieV]

Lisa Kay’s Questions for Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)


(view spoiler)[ 1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom? I definitely caught the warning from the direwolf, but I would have never predicted that he would be pushed like that! Found my villain to hate :).

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one? My library's blurb on this book lists at the end "Treachery, murder, incest." ...not sure why, but with that bit of a spoiler I guessed pretty quickly who she was talking to and wasn't surprised when the extent of their relationship was revealed.

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frighten cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement? I'm thinking it was a warning not to underestimate Arryn's widow. Pillow talk leads to a lot of secrets being shared and if Ned can get to Lysa before the Lannisters, she may have some condemning evidence to share.

4) Since Bran is a POV character in this story, it would be surprising if he died so early in the story; therefore, what condition do you think he will be in after the push? (Any comments about the push?) I actually checked the reading schedule to see if there were any more chapters with his POV. I was afraid he died! It sounds like he will be crippled for life. Maybe another to join Tyrion's gang of misfits.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark? Well, it was definitely a political move, to keep Joffery from insulting them by not paying his respect. I'm not sure where Tyrion's allegiance lies...probably just with himself (though not in a bad way, he seems to have a good heart..so far...).

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer? I think he can guess a lot of them. He does seem to be a little willing to allow some of this because Jaime was the only one in his family to be kind to him. Will that keep him on the Lannister side, though? Not sure...

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers? Awesome, good for him :). I think she's grieving and lashing out at the only person she can. She's already shown that she can't emotionally handle him, so it makes sense to continue the attack.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature? I think he sees Dany as less willful than Viserus, and therefore more easily controlled. Maybe he has plans to use her to get himself in higher power rather than following Viserus' plan.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality? I seriously doubt if they are viable and he knew it that he would have given them to Dany. My question is, why are there three? There was a perfect number of direwolves for the Starks, so why three dragons?

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments. He surprised me by being more considerate of her than I expected based on previous descriptions of him. Maybe Dany will find her guide to strength after all. (hide spoiler)]

[Lisa Kay]

@ Cassie V

#9 - Great question.

[Steven]

Lisa Kay, I completely agree with the "liking her other than her MAJOR flaw" part. I thought she had potential to be a great character and is a strong woman... but if she chooses to remain this way, I won't like her... tis a shame!

[Lisa Kay]

Ohhhhhh, Steven! Steven, Steven, Steven. I'm dying to say something; however, it is books away. So, I'll keep my lips zipped.

[Lisa Kay]

Read faster.

[CassieV]

Sarah's Questions for Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)
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1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair? I don’t think he had more than one affair. My guess at this point would be that she had something to do with the take down of the Targaryen(sp?) king.

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you? No, his younger brother has been portrayed as violent and unstable, so it’s not surprising that the older brother was that way as well.

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice? Yep, pretty sure this is foreshadowing. I’m assuming eventually Jaime will hold east and west and then the Lannisters will make their grab for the throne.

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne? It all seems to be within character for him.

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you? Well, it doesn’t sound like there’s anyone at the wall but men so that’s probably an appropriate place for rapists. Plus the grueling life would be quite a punishment, I’d think.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister? Again, I think it matches what we’ve seen so far about Jaime. I’m interested to see what else they will be offered (as I’m sure something pointed out that obviously within the narrative will come back around).

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion? It’s definitely a case of the older being able to empathize with the younger. Whether or not they will be able to move past their pride to create a true understanding/friendship remains to be seen.

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why? At this point I’m definitely with Catelyn on suspecting the Lannisters.

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters? Definitely dangerous, though in this case he said all the right things. I’m still withholding judgment on him…

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark? With these kinds of clan/ruling family setups I’m not surprised that she would not consider herself an official Stark. She doesn’t have the clan blood, which seems so important to them. Also, the “first men” keep getting mentioned and I know that the Starks still have their blood, so I’m assuming that’s part of it. It’s interesting how much blood and tradition plays in so far.

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why? I’m going to fall back on the “first men” for this as well (see above, lol). It might be nothing more than giving us an indication of their personalities, though Ned is accused of not being wild enough by Robert, so it may not be a Stark/Tully thing after all.

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow? Joffrey definitely showed his true colors to Sansa, we’ll see if she’s disillusioned enough to back out. I think Ned is too hemmed in at this point, though, to do much more than smooth this over. (hide spoiler)]

[Steven]

Haha, LK I'm reading! I can't wait to get there!

[CassieV]

Teresa wrote: "Sarah's Questions for Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)


1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's m..."


For number 1- I hadn't thought of Jon being someone else's son! (Speculative spoiler, I haven't read ahead, lol!---->) (view spoiler)[Maybe the sister's? That would explain why he's so loyal to Jon, and if the baby was a result of Rhaedgar's rape I can understand why Ned would keep it quiet. Ohhh, and he would be the third dragon child! gah! (hide spoiler)]

[Amanda]

CassieV wrote: "For number 1- I hadn't thought of Jon being someone else's son! (Speculative spoiler, I haven't read ahead, lol!---->)"


Wow. That's a very interesting speculation! It would actually be pretty cool if that turned out to be true :D.

[Teresa]

1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's m..."


(view spoiler)[CassieV wrote: maybe the sister's? That would explain why he's so loyal to Jon, and if the baby was a result of Rhaegar's rape I can understand why Ned would keep it quiet. Ohhh, and he would be the third dragon child! Gah!

That is brilliant! Had not even picked up on the third egg, but it fits perfect. Clearly, if GRRM didn't write it this way, it is only because he had not met us in time! And I can think of no other candidates for the egg... (hide spoiler)]

[Kimberly]

I'm just checking in - Is everyone happy with the pace of this group read? I, for one, am finding it a bit slow an would prefer perhaps 2 days/segment, as opposed to 3... I don't mean to stir however- so if everyone else is happy, I'll just carry on reading other books at the same time.

[Sarah]

Teresa wrote: "1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's m..."


CassieV wrote: maybe the sister's? That would explain why he's ..."

(view spoiler)[ Also who says Reagar raped Ned's sister? Does that make it true. Robert hates the Targaeryns and was in love with Ned' s sister.Did she love him? - maybe she loved Reagar and it was consensual. But if John was there son Ned would have to keep this secret close because Robert would have killed John due to his Dragon blood line I am sure. (hide spoiler)]

[Renee]

CassieV - I like that idea too, it all fits together.

[Renee]

Chapter 16 (Eddard) - Chapter 19 (Jon)
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1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.
I didn't see that coming. I thought Micah would be punished, but not slaughtered. Not fair that Lady was killed. Nymeria would be hiding in the woods somewhere, i don't think she would run away from Arya forever. Wondering how this bodes for Sansa, Bran's wolf saved his life and now Sansa doesn't have her protector.

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?
The name Brandon means prince or brave but the name Bran means crow or raven. Crows and ravens often represent spirits or death in mythology. The third eye that the crow had represents a deeper knowledge and understanding, and the crow pecked open Bran's third eye at the end of the dream. I think Bran will have visions as a result of this.
I didn't think Varys had visions, I thought he just had a web of spies.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?
Only Tyrion went to the wall, because he was curious. He wanted to piss off the edge of the earth, what better reason than that? News of Bran would get back to them wherever they are.

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?
I don't think Tyrion would be so stupid as to give an assassin his own knife, which would point to him if the assassin was caught. I still think Jaime organised the assassin.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?
I think she needed to let Ned know and I wouldn't know who to trust with that information. She probably should have stayed home and sent the men who she had alreadty confided in.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?
I think it means be prepared. The winters in this land last for years, where it would be hard to grow food etc. I think it might also be a warning about the evil creatures that thrive in the dark and cold of winter.

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?
I think he could have had a much easier life somewhere else. But I think he will be crucial to training the men and holding the wall.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?
I think it helped him put things in perspective.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?
Make his life difficult. be tougher on him in training.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?
I like Tyrion. I wouldn't call him a nice guy, but I don't think he is trying to turn Jon against his family. I think he is just pointing out the truth.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?
The only thing that keeps winter at bay is summer, so I think this wolf will play a vital role in something. (hide spoiler)]

[CassieV]

Sarah wrote: "Teresa wrote: "1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's m..."


CassieV wrote: maybe the sister's? That would ex..."

@Sarah- Very true, we only have Robert's side so far that she was raped. Ned didn't say one way or another...

[Imke]

Questions for Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)
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1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom?
Yes I was, he was warned time and again, not only by his mother, but also other people living in the castle. The direwolfs growl did give me a sense of doom and Bran should have been more cautious.

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one?
No it didn't take me long, but I have seen the first few episodes of the tv series and I knew what was going to happen.

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frighten cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement?
They are out for control of the land and want to take the crown for themselves.

4) Since Bran is a POV character in this story, it would be surprising if he died so early in the story; therefore, what condition do you think he will be in after the push? (Any comments about the push?)
Again, I know what is going to happen from the tv show, but he'll be in a coma for a while and then wake up with a very long road to healing.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark?

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer?
Yes, he knows a lot more than he's letting on.

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers?
I think it was very courageous of him to stand up to her. I think she told him because she wants to hurt him and drive him away from the family.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature?
There is something in it for him, a lot of money and status I think.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality?
I don't know, but for the story it would be great if they are and under control of of Dany. Maybe it will be like in Eragon where the dragon eggs hatched when the right person came along.

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments.
Yes he does, I liked the way he handled the situation with her despite the fact he married a 13 year old girl.
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Questions for Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)
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1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair?
He definitely had more than one affair.

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?
no

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice?
Maybe,foreshadowing, but definitely advice.

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne?
Nothing to surprising, with what know about Jaime so far.

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?
No it doesn't shock me.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?
No

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?
I think it's developing into a mentoring relationship, I think Tyrion has much to offer Jon.

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why?
The man was an assassin send by the Lannisters. To prevent Bran from telling people about their relationship.

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters?
She seems to trust him.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why?

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow?
Nothing good, Joffrey is a proud boy and has a lot of influence with his mother. And she will do anything to hurt Ned Stark.
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Questions for Chapter 16 (Eddard) - Chapter 19 (Jon)
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1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.
I think Arya send Nymeria away to save her.

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?
I think it wasn't just a dream, maybe he now has the power of premonition, the crow was making a third eye in Brans forehead. I think Varys just has a lot of contacts and no extra powers he is really like a spider, weaving his web and watch his victims come to him.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?
I think Tyrion wanted to go to the wall to keep an eye on Jon and to see how things go at the wall.

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?
No not yet, I think his brother or sister took the dagger from him.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?
Not sure, I feel she should have stayed there for her son,but I can understand why she wanted to tell her husband about the dagger and the attack on Bran herself.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?
I think so, it feels like a warning that there are difficult times comming.

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?
No, I think he will learn to defend his land and family there.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?
I think it was smart advice, it gives him a chance to bond with his fellow recrutes.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?
He wil make things difficult for him.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?
I think he is a nice guy.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?
Yes, I think he will.
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[Teresa]

Kimberly wrote: "I'm just checking in - Is everyone happy with the pace of this group read? I, for one, am finding it a bit slow an would prefer perhaps 2 days/segment, as opposed to 3... I don't mean to stir how..."

Personally, this schedule is working for me. There is enough breathing room for the days I can't read.

[Kimberly]

Teresa wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "I'm just checking in - Is everyone happy with the pace of this group read? I, for one, am finding it a bit slow an would prefer perhaps 2 days/segment, as opposed to 3... I don't..."

Thanks Teresa. I just figured I'd check. I'm happy to read other things along with GoT. I'm being careful to pick wildly different sorts of books so I don't bungle them up in my head.

[Teresa]

Kimberly wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Kimberly wrote: "I'm just checking in - Is everyone happy with the pace of this group read? I, for one, am finding it a bit slow an would prefer perhaps 2 days/segment, as opposed t..."

I can't imagine reading a similar book at the same time, with this cast of characters and events. My brain would likely just quit! I am reading Neverwhere for the Gaiman challenge later this month and figure that is safe as well.

[Teresa]

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 16 (Eddard) - Chapter 19 (Jon)

(view spoiler)[1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.
I was shocked when they killed Micah – it does seem an extremely harsh punishment. And I think Arya sent Nymeria away somewhere. I wonder if she could find her way back north on her own or if she will stay around Arya. I don’t think we have seen the last of her. I know this means I am in denial, but any chance that Ned just sent Lady away rather than killing her?

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?
That dream was crazy! It would make sense for Bran to get something in exchange for losing his legs. And he always saw things from a different angle by climbing on the walls – could that have been foreshadowing? I still think the Starks have some tie to the other side of the wall, and this could be another example of that.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?
I was somewhat suspicious when Tyrion went to the wall in the first place. There does not seem to be real interest in the wall or defense itself – Tyrion even shrugs off the warning to the king about the weakening of the defense.

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?
Ok – this is what is bothering me. If you are going to send someone to kill Bran, why arm them with a dagger that could easily be identified? Even if one of the siblings took the dagger, then why frame Tyrion rather than some other random lord? But, it seems obvious the Lannisters were the only ones who benefitted from his death. Hmmm. Could it have been Jamie himself that tried to kill Bran and he just happened to have the blade that Tyrion won?

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?
It seemed like she would need to tell Ned about the attempt on Bran’s life. But, she left him there, which I could not have done. And, why does she think that the Lannisters wanted to kill Bran? Until the secret is out, there is still every reason for the Lannisters to kill him.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?
I think it is meant to be reminder to be prepared. When you have summer for years on end, it would be easy to get lax in your preparations for winter. And I would imagine preparing for a multi-year winter is no laughing matter.

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?
I think it seems like it in the short run. But, I am not sure where else he could have gone, and I think it will turn out he is right where he should be.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?
I actually really liked this character so far. He is rather harsh generally, but gave very good insights to Bran. Now, I reserve the right to hate him later if necessary.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?
I don’t think we have seen the end of this. But, I think it won’t be an immediate response – just something that simmers in the background.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?
I want him to be a nice guy. Just can’t get a good read on him. I don’t think he is trying to turn Jon against his family as his advice so far is focused on just helping Jon cope with the situation. However, he could be using this as his “in” to the family.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?
That would be interesting. If the family motto is a warning to stay prepared, could the name Summer be a reminder to also be in the present? (hide spoiler)]

[CassieV]

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 16 (Eddard) - Chapter 19 (Jon)

(view spoiler)[ 1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart. I didn’t expect that they would kill Mycah, though I’m learning that I need to expect people to die off a lot :P. My guess for Nymeria is that she lying low until things clear up. Part of that wolf instinct and everything. I HATE that they killed Lady, but I think it might be a sign that Sansa could pull away from the Strak family and eventually ally with the Lannisters (most likely through bitterness from this).

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider? I’m thinking it’s a sign that he will be a seer now. The third eye is usually a sign of a prophet/seer. Whether that will mean actual visions or just abnormal wisdom, I’m not sure.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place? Tyrion is definitely researching something, but I’m not sure what and why at this point.

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought? Possibly, though it’s also entirely possible that they stole it off of Tyrion, or that Tyrion made a gift of it to his brother.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home? Part of me says yes, but part of me is thinking it was an impulsive thing to do and could get her into trouble by the looks of it.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared? That’s what I took it as until Bran’s chapter with the raven. That chapter made me think there was something coming with the winter. It could just be a warning that they have more than just a physical winter coming, maybe also an emotional one as things seem to unravel around them.

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall? I don’t think there was any other choice as he was basically forced into it, but yes I think it was a mistake even still.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon? I thought it was good advice, hopefully it will help Jon with his interactions with others.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do? Definitely make life miserable for him, most likely something even more sinster than that.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family? I think Tyrion is on no one’s side, just his own, and that he may want Jon to join him against everyone else. Tyrion is planning something for sure.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming? I think because of his third eye visions/wisdom, he will be a pivotal point to holding back whatever figurative and literal winter is coming.

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[CassieV]

Kimberly wrote: "I'm just checking in - Is everyone happy with the pace of this group read? I, for one, am finding it a bit slow an would prefer perhaps 2 days/segment, as opposed to 3... I don't mean to stir how..."

I'm good with either :). I am trying to keep myself slower at this point, but I don't mind it. Gives me lots of time to speculate, lol!

[Sarah]

Cassie - speculation with GRRM? - you are all in for so many suprises. And his characters are not black and white - well except maybe a couple like The Hounds brother - he may simply just be pure evil.

God - I really wish he would get to writing the rest of the books.

[Lisa Kay]

Sarah wrote: "God - I really wish he would get to writing the rest of the books."

He's too busy with the HBO shows.

[Sarah]

Well that is just unacceptable.

[Lisa Kay]

**chuckles**

[Amanda]

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 16 (Eddard) - Chapter 19 (Jon)
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1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.
Sometimes it seems like the wolves know more about what is going on than the humans do. Poor Lady, though. That part was so sad and I felt sorry for Sansa. I wonder if she wishes she stood up for her sister? What they did to Micah shows just what kind of people the Lannisters and their followers are. I think they'll pay for it, though :). Well, I hope so.

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?
I think Bran's dream was real. I mean, he was able to see things that he couldn't possibly have known, like his mother travelling. I think his almost-death and return from it would give him some ability to see things in the future. I am very interested to learn more about the crow.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?
I'm not sure, really. I wonder if it was just a whim on Tyrion's part that happened to pay off?

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?
No, I don't think so. He doesn't seem the sort to me. I think someone is trying to frame him for the attempt on Bran's life.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home? Hm. I'm not sure. I know she thinks she is getting answers, but I think she is too trusting and not wise enough to search beyond the layers of lies. I think she is being played. She is taking what other people say at face-value and not even considering the fact that there may be more to it or they may be lying. I have a horrible feeling that she is going to mess things up here.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?
Definitely be prepared. I think maybe it also has another side. I think there is a warning that all plots, alliances, and grievances won't matter in the end because winter will kill discriminately. So keep your household close and don't rely on anything else.


7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?
Poor Jon! I felt horrible for him and I'm angry with the others for leading him to believe there was something glorious in it. I think he'll make the best he can of the situation, but I feel terrible for him.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?
I think it was good advice. Jon wouldn't have lasted long making enemies the way he was. Noye seems like he understands people and their motives well. That's an important ability to have and I think Jon can benefit from it.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?
I think he'll do absolutely anything to get Jon out of his way. He seems like a sadistic man with little feeling for anyone else. Now that he's losing control and losing face, I think he'll try to either humiliate Jon or take him out silently.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?
It's hard to say, but I think he's a nice guy. Or as nice as a Lannister can get. He's not nice to everyone, but I think he likes those who he can connect with, i.e. the outcasts.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?
I think in a way he already has. He has a sense for things, and if Bran ends up with some sort of 'sight', then Summer will be even more important. I think all the wolves will be equally important, and I fear for Sansa who doesn't have the protection of hers anymore.
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[Kimberly]

Chapters 16-19
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1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.
I can't stand that the wolves are being murdered. I know these people are ruthless but I love those dang dogs. I, like someone else who answered previously, am holding out hope that Lady was sent away and not actually killed. But I am doubtful - especially since a dog would not stay away - their nature tells them to return home. :( :( :(

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?
What a cool dream! I've read that people in comas often awake just after having surreal dreams in which they feel forced or compelled to wake. I hope the 3-eyed crow returns.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place? & 4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought? I feel like I should be able to remember the answer to this from having watched the series, but I cannot. I don't want to think Tyrion had anything to do with Bran's attempted murder. He is being implicated, sure - but I want to believe he's not involved. Peter Dinklage would never... Ah, I digress.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?
No - a woman travelling on her own in this era is silly. I like Catelyn. I think she's fierce despite her being downtrodden but she is acting foolhardy.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?
Or, is it a play on Winterfell?? Beware, the Starks are coming?

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?
No. I'm not saying any more about Jon Snow though. :)

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?
No one is "nice". Each and every person is playing a game of some sort. Trust no one.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?
Summer is here to stay for Bran, even though Winter is coming? I don't know...
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[Renee]

Chapter 20 (Eddard) to Chapter 23 (Daenrys)
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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt . Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?
That surprised me, but then you learn that the king doesn't want to be involved in the financial planning, just the partying. He is "the usurper" and wouldn't have been raised and groomed to be a king, so may not be all that sensible.

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?
He comes across like a bit like a philandering fool sometimes. I think he is easily manipulated by the queen. He was popular and had the support to become king, but I don't think he is the one running the kingdom.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?
Littlefinger seems slimy. I think he was madly in love with Catelyn and very hurt by her rejection. I'm not sure if he wants love or revenge. I think he would stab Ned in the back because he married Catelyn.

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?
There is no immediate threat there, so noone is worried. There is suspected threat from the Lannisters. I think everyone is so busy playing their game of thrones that they disregard any possible threat from outside the realm. They have also heard Dany is married and has thousands of men but aren't concerned because there is an ocean between them.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war?
I think it was just curiosity. Tyrion has said his strength is his mind, and all the knowledge and information he can get.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?
Jon will have to grow up fast on the wall. He is still pretty green, so I don't know if they will want to send him out too soon.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile?
They are very different personalities. I don't think they will be really close.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?
Was surprised but very happy.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command?
I'm glad Dany has found her strength and self confidence. I think she will go far.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it?
Seen too much of the tv series to speculate on this.

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well?
It only takes once to get pregnant, and they seem to have been married for a few months by now.
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[CassieV]

Sarah wrote: "Cassie - speculation with GRRM? - you are all in for so many suprises. "

No doubt! :) I'm just working off the questions, but I'm under no illusions that I can guess correctly, lol. I usually plow through a book without stopping (this is my first buddy read), so having the slower pace is interesting.

[Teresa]

Question about Lady:

(view spoiler)[ A couple people have commented that Lady's loss may forewhadow Sansa splitting from the Starks, and a couple worry that the direwolves indicate protection and Sansa is vulnerable without Lady.

Just thought these were really interesting insigts and was just wondering what everyone else thought?

I could see Sansa being manipulated by the Lannisters, particularly because she blames the Starks for Lady's death. (Although, can I just comment as an asside that had she told the truth when asked, things would have gone a very different way? Not sure she can blame Arya without taking some reponsibility herself.) (hide spoiler)]

[Imke]

Questions for Chapter 20 (Eddard) to Chapter 23 (Daenrys)
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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt . Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?
No it didn't suprise me, with Robert being the party king I guess it could have been more. The implications are that Robert is even more dependend on the Lannisters and they have a lot of influence on him.

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?
I think he isn't who Ned thinks he is, and I guess Ned is noticing it now too. The only thing Robert thinks about is women, food and alcohol. He doesn't care about his people, only his own comforts.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?
No they were not wise to trust him. I think he sees a way of revenge.

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?
I think so too, Mormont's request is understandable but I don't think the king will listen.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war?
I think it was part curiosity and part inspection of the Night watch. And maybe seeing to it that Jon would be alright.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?
I think something has happened to Ben and Jon will go after him when he's finished his training on the wall.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile?
I loved this scen between father and daughter. It shows he knows his girls and he understands. I'm not sure Arya and Sansa will reconcile they are very different in personality.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?
Agree, I think Ned wants her to be able to defend herself.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command?
I was right there cheering her on. Her marriage seems to have brought her a lot of good things.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it?
Yes, I'm looking forward to reading about the dragon.

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well?
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[Steven]

16 (Eddard) - 19 (Jon)
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1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.

Yeah that was sad. I was especially sad for Lady, as it was unfair of Queen Lannister to target Lady when Lady wasn't responsibile... but I'm not surprised. She's a horrible person, clearly.

And Arya's poor friend didn't deserve to die!

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?

I think he will gradually remember it, yes. Maybe he will see things?

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?

Not sure!

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?

I think they stole it and used it to implicate him.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?

Not right after multiple attempts on her son's life were made. But she's kind of selfish, so can't say it shocked me that she HAD to do her mission herself.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?

It has to do with their weird seasons that last really long times, I think, and the fact that the cold people are coming ("the Others") [not that they know it... just foreshadowing, perhaps] (this is just a guess)

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?

Mistake? Maybe. He'll definitely grow up a lot there. And become a hardened warrior, I think.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?

I'm not sure if I like him or not... but he seemed geniune in his advice.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?

No, that won't be good. He'll make Jon's life HELL!

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?

I think he's a good guy. Just a gut feeling.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?

Hmmm, that would be some interesting symbolism if that's what happens!

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[Sarah]

People - you will learn, this is not a book about good and bad people. It is fun to see how early on that is exactly how people want to categorize everybody. Bwahh ah ah. This is why GRRM is the master of character development - which I know I always say.

[Kimberly]

Chapters 20-23
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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt. Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount? &
2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?
Robert is irresponsible and carefree so it is not at all surprising that his finances are out of control.
It seems to me that Robert married for money, not love and so it is somewhat fitting (and in line with the old adage that money cannot buy you love) that his kingdom is in such dire financial straits and that his wife does not love or respect him at all. Robert is a pawn in this game, with all the implications that that analogy carries.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?
No one is ever wise to trust anyone - but Littlefinger is a master conniver. I don't really know how he feels about Catelyn now. It is apparent that he used to love her but as he's grown older (not necessarily matured) he has become more selfish and is no longer capable of that selfless love. Would he take her if offered? Sure, but I don't think he'd do so for the right reasons - it would be more to prove a point or win a battle than because it would make him happy.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war?
I have always found it odd that Tyrion would be on the watch. Sure he is an outcast of sorts, but not really. His presence there has confused me.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?
Yes. :)

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile? &
8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?
Ned is a great father. I am disappointed that he cannot be so to Jon as well. I loved this scene - Ned seems to understand that Arya is full of fire and he respects that about her. He is not trying to tame her but rather he embraces these qualities in her and wants to improve her by enhancing them, hence the "dancing" lessons. I think Sansa and Arya will have their time. It's just that Arya is naturally more intuitive than she is and Sansa's maturation will take some time. It is important that the sisters have the same blood running through their bodies - they will find their way to each other.

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[CassieV]

Vi's Questions for Chapter 20 (Eddard) to Chapter 23 (Daenrys)
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2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him? So far, I’m undecided on Robert. I think we’ve only seen the outside of him so far, with the possible exception of how he feels about losing Ned’s sister. Even that, though, could be nothing more than losing something that he thought belonged to him.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably? I think it was terribly unwise. I get that Catelyn was kind of forced into it by Varys knowing so much, but she didn’t have to continue trusting him with info. Littlefinger may think of Catelyn somewhat favorably, but ultimately she’s a pawn to him and she’s giving him powerful information; who wouldn’t take that?

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request? Yes, definitely taken too lightly. Re: the Prologue, there are stinkin ice zombies out there! (Smart, fast ones!) Mormont’s request shows that some are still aware of the threat, but I’m pretty sure that his request will be disregarded.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war? Possibly, but I still think Tyrion has his own agenda that is neither pro-Lannister nor pro-Stark.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile? Only if Sansa grows up a bit and becomes less superficial. Of the two of them, Anya seems to be acting more mature (at least in this chapter) than Sansa even though she’s the younger sister.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree? Yes, the whole interaction between him and Anya surprised me. He seemed much more understanding than I would have thought, but then we haven’t seen as much interaction between him and his children yet.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command? It’s starting to sound to me like Dany could be the next Dragon lord/lady and possibly be the one to lead the charge to get the throne.

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[Teresa]

Chapter 20 (Eddard) to Chapter 23 (Daenrys)
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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt . Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?
I wonder if the Lannisters influenced this as well. Another way to control the King.

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?
I think his heart is in the right place, but that he has suffered from his association with the Lannisters. It would not surprise me if they have been positioning him since he took the throne.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?
Definitely don't trust Littlefinger. He has a vested interested in things not turning out well for Ned. I think he would love to tell Catelyn "See - should have married me!"

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?
Seems like whatever threat was guarded by the wall has not been active for so long that people are now acting as though it will not be coming back. However the creepy ice zombies (thank you to the prior commenter that coined that phrase) beg to differ. Mormont is trying to warn others and keep the wall strong, but doesn't seem likely to be granted

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war?
He does not seem to take Mormont's request very seriously either, so I don't think he is assessing the strength of the wall. Tyrion seems so far to make his way by knowing those around him, so it may have been just him gathering intel in general.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?
I think he will have to go after Ben. Perhaps this will give us a glimpse at whatever danger is coming. Hmmm. Wonder if a dragon will be necessary to fight whatever is out there? Could be why the dragons ruled this area...

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile?
Makes me think of the earlier discussion of what Summer's name indicates. I think Arya took her father's words to heart, but agree with others that think Sansa may not be as kind.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?
Pleasantly surprised. And agree that Arya and Sansa's future are tied to each other, so the actions of each will likely affect the other.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command?
I think Dany's role will continue to expands even as her brother's diminishes. Her perception has already changed just by having a counter to his power and control over her. This can only continue at this point. I think if there is a challenge to the throne, it will be from Dany and her husband, not her brother.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it?
It makes more sense for her to wake the dragon as she is stronger. I think this will end up being a very interesting story line.

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well?
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[Amanda]

Chapter 20 (Eddard) to Chapter 23 (Daenrys)

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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt. Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?
After reading about Robert and his excess drinking and feasting, I'm not surprised. Even his tourney was all done to excess. I'm not sure he even cares. I'm not sure the councilors would lie about it when the truth could be so easily found out.

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him? I don't have much respect for him at the moment. I think he regrets being named king and he hates every moment of it. He sees what it is doing to him, but seems to drink more just to forget. He's stuck, but his actions are only digging him in deeper.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably? Definitely not. I think that was a big mistake. I think Littlefinger still thinks of her fondly, but not in the same way he had as a boy. He still won't hesitate to use her or cause he family harm.

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?
I think they have grown complacent and put too much trust in the Night Watch too keep them safe. Mormont is right that people need to be told and more men requested, but Tyrion is also right by thinking that he will go unheeded.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war? None whatsoever. He is still largely a mystery to me.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him? I think something must have happened to Ben, otherwise he would have returned long ago. I really like Jon's new maturity. I think it will go a long way to strengthen his group when the bad things start to happen.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile? I have no idea. I would like them to, but the way Lady was murdered will always be there between them.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree? Agree. I love her 'dancing lessons' and I think she is coming along nicely :). She is going to be one tough girl. I think Sansa is getting lessons of a different type, like court intrigue.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command? I think she is coming into her own and leaving her fear behind. I like seeing her like this.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it? It seems that the eggs are waking up finally. She's going to be the one to wake the dragon, and her brother will pay for it :).

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well? Wow, that was fast. Maybe she is in a way giving birth to the dragon. Symbolically.

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[Kimberly]

CH 24 – 27 (Qs 1-3 only)

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1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?

I like how Old Nan says she’s going to tell Bran a story about a boy who doesn’t like stories and then proceeds to enthral him with the story she wanted to tell, having nothing to do with a boy who didn’t like stories. Previously, Nan clearly foretold Bran’s injury when she told the tale of the boy who climbed too high (yes) got struck down by lightening (Jaime) and then had his eyes pecked out by crown (third eye pecked at in dream). That foretelling was pretty straightforward but it does beg the question – what is Nan trying to tell us now?? Are the “children of the north” really just that? Or is this a parallel for something else? Did Ben become an “ice zombie”? As for this story having a happy ending? No. Nana is like the Brothers Grimm. She doesn’t tell happy fairy tales…

2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?

Tyrion’s affinity for Jon has transferred as affinity for those that Jon cares about. Am I assured Tyrion had **nothing** to do with the attempted murder? No. I am never assured of anything. I am on my toes in anticipation of just what Tyrion is up to. He’s intriguing and mysterious. The saddle uses the premise that short-legged Tyrion’s saddle does – he is simply sharing his wealth of knowledge to those who he feels worthy of receiving it.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?

I get the sense that the wolves are deeply connected to their assigned master – so if Bran feared Tyrion when he first spotted him, so too would Summer. Once Bran called Summer off, the wolf obeyed. However, had Tyrion made a sinister approach, I suspect that would have been his last.
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[✿Claire✿]

I'm finally getting caught up!! Hopefully I'll get almost up to date before I go back to work tomorrow and drop behind again! I’ve also just looked up some of the characters to see what they look like in the show, I’m not keen on some of them, they don’t look anything like I imagined.

Prologue through Chapter 3(Daenerys)
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1. Many fantasy stories have a "medieval" feel. They incorporate elements that seem or are very fitting to the medieval time period. Why do you think authors do this?
I think things like magic and swordsmanship, which are key elements of fantasy were most relevant in the medieval period and therefore it makes sense to set the stories in that sort of era. The politics of the time also suit fantasy well, with kingdoms and loyalty and oaths meaning a lot more than today.

2. Tolkien was asked many times how WWII affected his writing of The Lord of the Rings. Was it allegorical? Tolkien always insisted that it wasn't. That being said, does Martin "mean" anything by setting the North vs. the South? Those things obviously "mean" something to us- the Civil War, North and South Korea, Vikings, etc.
I think there needs to be a distinction in a story like this but whether it is North/South, East/West or Above/Below isn’t necessarily important, although the choice may stem from the author’s own experiences, whether conciously or unconciously.

3. For some reason, many epics start with an execution (or perhaps a death/murder). What is the author's purpose in doing that?
I think it often sets the scene for the brutality of the age and builds the suspense right from the start. It also gives an idea of the characters, for instance, Ned insists that it is his responsibility to carry out the execution himself, rather than passing off that responsibility to someone else, suggesting he has a good sense of his morals and duty.

4. Does the direwolf, and her pups, appearance foreshadow anything? What do you make of the pups numbering the exact amount of Stark children?
It may suggest the events that follow, or be a premonition of things to come. I liked the fact that there was one extra, a different colour, for Jon. I thought it was a very grown up move for him to discount himself initially.

5. The orphan is a powerful literary symbol. Especially historically where one's birth determined career, marriage, etc. Orphans are free to, sort of, create their own destiny. What, if anything, will Dany (Daenerys) choose to do to break with her "destiny"?
I think she may eventually disobey her brother in some way, maybe in support of the man she is destined to marry.
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Lisarenee's Questions for Chapters 4(Eddard) - 7(Arya)
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1. We now know what was so significant about how the direwolf was killed. The fact the antler was the means of death suggests the King, whose symbol is an antler, must somehow cause the death of Eddard (aka Ned) leaving his children orphans. The question is should this be seen as a warning as to what could happen or a prophecy of what is to come? What do you think? Knowing what could happen can the outcome be changed?
It could be seen as a warning or a prophecy although Ned and his family must be careful not to do anything to cause problems with the King. It may also be that something happens while he is working in the name of the King. Or to do with the fact that the King has resulted in the splitting of the Stark family by removing Eddard to be the King’s Hand.

2. Knowing how close the King and Ned were do you think Catelyn was right to encourage her husband to become the King's Hand?
I think that, despite their closeness, it would have been dangerous for Ned to refuse the ‘honour’ and that Catelyn was right to encourage him.

3. Do you think Jon Snow's jealousy of his siblings tureborn siblings will cause trouble in the future?
It may do, although it may just result in him splitting away from the family. He isn’t jealous of all of them, only really those who are disdainful of his position.

4. Were you surprised that Catelyn would ask that Jon either go with her husband or become one of the brother's of the Night's Watch?
I was initially surprised at how vehemently she insisted and how much she appears to hate him but when I actually thought about what it meant and then discovered the timing of his birth, I could understand it.

5. Wall are usually put up for a reason. Any ideas as to why the Wall was put up thousands of years ago? Do you suspect it had something to do with the Others? What do you the the Others are?
The way that the Others are used as a ‘curse’ suggests they are old enough to be the cause of the Wall. I think the Others are either supernatural (although I’m not sure that fits with the rest of the story, there’s been no mention of magic yet) or a band of well trained descendants of exiles from the ‘right’ side of the Wall.

6. What do you think of Tyrion's advice to Jon? "Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you."
I think it’s good advice which will make Jon stronger, however, it could make him bitter and turn ‘bad’ and against his family.

7. What character(s) do you find the most interesting so far?
I like Jon and I’m really interested in Bran, Arya and Tyrion.

8. Thoughts on why the Lannisters would want to get rid of Jon Arryn and then foster his son?
It gives them someone they can then easily manipulate who is destined to gain a place of power when he comes of age.

9. Sounds like Rhaegor did something to Ned's sister. Any thoughts on what that was?
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Lisa Kay’s Questions for Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)
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1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom?
It was one of those occasions where you could tell something bad was going to happen but I didn’t think it would be as simple as a fall.

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one?
I figured that the woman was the Queen almost straight away but I forgot she had a twin brother so it took a while to work that one out!

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frighten cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement?
I think that, although it may have been obvious that the Lannisters have a problem with the King, eavesdropping was the only way to show it for certain, anything else would have been too obvious. I think that the statement implies a lot of disdain for the other families involved, including the Arryn family.

4) Since Bran is a POV character in this story, it would be surprising if he died so early in the story; therefore, what condition do you think he will be in after the push? (Any comments about the push?)
I think he’ll be a cripple after the push which will cause him to be almost seen as an outsider and give him access to areas and information he may not otherwise discover. The push shows what a cruel family the Lannisters are and how far they will go to reach their goals.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark?
I wasn’t surprised, Tyrion is an outsider therefore given some leeway because of his ‘crippled’ status. I think he understands the politics involved, more than the Prince or maybe even his mother. I also think Tyrion sees a lot more than some expect so knows exactly what happened and maybe doesn’t fully agree.

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer?
I think Tyrion knows a lot about the secrets and suspects more than they might think he does.

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers?
I was glad he did, I think he holds Bran in more regard than his other brothers. I think that, despite her denial, she did want someone to tell her that she wasn’t to blame, and that Jon was ideal because of his lower status.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature?
I think he’s probably looking out for himself and using Dany as a means to an end.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality?
I think that they are symbolic although there may still be viability, we don’t know enough about the dragons of this world to determine that yet. I think it’s interesting that he’s given three and he’s given them to Dany and not to her brother. Maybe the future of the ‘dragon’ line lies with her and not him.

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments.
I thought he was a lot more gentle and understanding with her than I expected and he used that word very effectively, to calm her and relax her.
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