The Fall of Five (Lorien Legacies, #4) The Fall of Five discussion


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Alex what would happen if the mogs did kill 4 in ohio, what would happen to five??? they would still need to kill 6,7,8 and nine, would they kill five to help their cause??


Alex according to five he was with the mogs since he was four of five years old, would they kill him to get to six???


Godwin Since he's blindly loyal to Ra, I suppose they're gonna use use him as bait then capture the Gardes. And when everyone's captured, Ra would kill them all starting with 5.


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defintly. the mogs dnt care about him


Alex Sam wrote: "defintly. the mogs dnt care about him"

thats what i was thinking, but why would the train him well if they were planning on killling him, it just doesnt make much sense to me


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Alex wrote: "Sam wrote: "defintly. the mogs dnt care about him"

thats what i was thinking, but why would the train him well if they were planning on killling him, it just doesnt make much sense to me"


so he could fight 4 6 7 8 and 9 if he had to.


Alex Sam wrote: "Alex wrote: "Sam wrote: "defintly. the mogs dnt care about him"

thats what i was thinking, but why would the train him well if they were planning on killling him, it just doesnt make much sense to..."


thats a good theory, i think Ra is ellas grandfather, the one that could change ages.


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YES! AGREED! THEY TOTALLY R RELATED, AND PROBABLY HES HER GRANDPAPPY. OMG THE BOOK WAS ALL CHAOS I THINK ELLA WILL END UP BREAKING FROM EVERYTHING IF THAT ENDS UP HAPPENING.


Alex WHEN EIGHT DIED MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, OH NO MY OPT, I MUST FIX THIS!!! AHHH THAT KILLED ME. HER NEW LEGACY WIL PROBABLY HELP HER BREAK FREE


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ikr! at first I was like "what-what?!" and I reread it over and over again and cried


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Alex YAH, I WAS SO SAD ASDDFGHJJKL


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Alex one of them has to get a turning the dead legacy


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Nasyiq Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?


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Alex Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather


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Nasyiq Alex wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather"


That's it! I've been thinking over and over to find the logic why Setrakus Ra really wants the Heir, how he has those powerful yet manipulative legacies as of Loric does, and how he can be related to the story of the long-lost Tenth Elder.


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Alex Nasyiq wrote: "Alex wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather"

That's it! I've been thi..."


or he not an elder, and just has legacies like some others had. also, remember that her grandfather could change ages.... i dont know if thats important or not but whatever


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Nasyiq But I believe he's an elder. Did you remember from the letter Crayton wrote to Ella, saying that her ancestor was one of the elder, suddenly vanished upon the secret war bla bla...?


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Jordan Alexander Gray Nasyiq wrote: "Alex wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather"

That's it! I've been thi..."


I reckon Setrakus Ra was one of the Loric elders but he resigned from his post and Pittacus Lore tried to stop him and that's how he got his scar.


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Jordan wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Alex wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather"

That's it..."


EXACTLY! if he wasn't loric he wouldn't have legacies, and he has legacies so hes probably loric. I would bet anything that hes loric


Georgia I'm guessing they were counting on the charm falling before they reached Five. Which, is what happened.


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Ahmad Syafiq Georgia wrote: "I'm guessing they were counting on the charm falling before they reached Five. Which, is what happened."

I don't thnik so. Five told us that 6 months after their arrival on the Earth, his Cepan died and he was taken by Mogs afterwards to be educated the Mogs way. I'm not sure how long it was the period between his Cepan's death and his being taken in by Mogs, but I'm pretty sure that Five got Mogadorianized since his young age.


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Alex Ahmad wrote: "Georgia wrote: "I'm guessing they were counting on the charm falling before they reached Five. Which, is what happened."

I don't thnik so. Five told us that 6 months after their arrival on the Ear..."

i agree, and it doesnt make much sense to me...


Cassidy The Mogs are using him against his fellow Loric. Its actually pretty smart. Why get rid of something potentially useful? anyways, they couldnt kill him with the charm and all...


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Nate Stadler I do see the reasoning in that but I also believe that it is irrelevant but they had Nine captive so if they introduced each other then the charm would be broken.


Cassidy That's true, Nate! Unless they were both being held at different places though.. I guess we'll have to figure out the Mog's reasoning. This is gonna bug me now! :/


Michelle Nate wrote: "I do see the reasoning in that but I also believe that it is irrelevant but they had Nine captive so if they introduced each other then the charm would be broken."

Haha, I didn't even think about that. Even if they were being held at different places, they could have taken Five to West Virginia. It's not like Five was being held captive. He was loyal to the Mogs, so he wouldn't have tried to escape or anything. Maybe Five didn't tell his full story or didn't tell it very truthfully. Or maybe the Mogadorians knew about the Charm then, but they just didn't know how to break it.


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Mia Nasyiq wrote: "Alex wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather"

That's it! I've been thi..."


Setrakus Ra is DEFINITELY loric
During the books it is mention that he wears the pendants of the three dead Loric children but at the start of I am Number Four John says that only Loric's can wear the pentant which means that he his definitely Loric and that he could possibly be the tenth elder since he is so interested in Ella


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Alex Mia wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Alex wrote: "Nasyiq wrote: "Have something ever crossed your mind that Setrakus Ra is Loric, like what might be the latest theory of John?"

i think hes ellas grandfather"

That's it..."


where does it say that?


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Starcrystal Setrakus Ra definitely has some connection to Ella, and is DEFINITELY Loric. Wonder how that will play out. One thing..... did the Mogs know about the charm? You would think they would. So if Five was with them when Six or nine was captured,why wouldn't the Mogs just bring them together to break it, then kill them all? And if they didn't know about the charm and how to break it, you'd think Five would have told them........


Cassidy I think that the Mogs definitely knew about the charm, but i don't think they knew how to break it. It does make sense that 5 would tell them... so why didn't he? Maybe the Mogs wouldn't chance loosing their element of surprise. They knew that eventually the other Loric would band together on their own, so why waste their secret weapon on something that would happen on its own? I dont think they knew that the Lorics would be so strong. I think they were taken by surprise.

Only speculating....


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Alex Cassidy wrote: "I think that the Mogs definitely knew about the charm, but i don't think they knew how to break it. It does make sense that 5 would tell them... so why didn't he? Maybe the Mogs wouldn't chance loo..."

did the garde no everything about their charms when they were young


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Alex know**


Cassidy I don't know! Because I was thinking: maybe Five didn't really know, so he couldn't help the Mogs. That would be a logical explanation. I mean, how do you break a Loric Charm that no one told you how to break?
I think maybe they all figured it out as they went along. Or, in everyone else's case, their Cepans told them. Five never had anyone Loric to teach him stuff.


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Alex Cassidy wrote: "I don't know! Because I was thinking: maybe Five didn't really know, so he couldn't help the Mogs. That would be a logical explanation. I mean, how do you break a Loric Charm that no one told you h..."

i know! fives cepan dies early on and the mogs took him in, so he wouldnt really know garde stuff


Cassidy I know right! It's kind of like he was a puppy being raised by chimps. He really has no clue :/


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