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message 1801: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Hahahaha!! They won't....we have a breeding programme!


message 1802: by M (new)

M | 113 comments Mwahahahahaha! (as the kids in the writing group say)


message 1803: by Jana (new)

Jana <- Jana, new here, just looking around.


message 1804: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Welcome, Jana. I see you are from New Milford. Turns out, I know more than a few New Milfordites (but, not to worry -- you're not one of them).

Hope you enjoy the site.


message 1805: by M (new)

M | 113 comments Hi, Jana! Welcome to Language & Gourmand.


message 1806: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments Language and giggles!


message 1807: by M (new)

M | 113 comments Real men don't giggle.


message 1808: by M (new)

M | 113 comments I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up.


message 1809: by Scribble (last edited Oct 22, 2010 07:51AM) (new)

Scribble Orca (scribbleorca) | 631 comments Gabi wrote: "Don't be frightened, dear. We are all fairly harmless."

Said the big black wolf to Red Riding Hood.

M wrote: "I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up."

In the cupboard? Up? What, exactly?

Welcome to Linguistics and Gravity, Jana!


message 1810: by M (new)

M | 113 comments I have no idea. I just try to look as though I know people.


message 1811: by Scribble (new)

Scribble Orca (scribbleorca) | 631 comments why did you take out the hastings bit?


message 1812: by M (new)

M | 113 comments When you spend your life wearing khakis, penny loafers, and blue oxford shirts, you have many adventures that people who wear varied and colorful clothes can't imagine.


message 1813: by Savvy (new)

Savvy  (savvysuzdolcefarniente) | 1458 comments Welcome!

And, rarely, it's Literature with Gravitas!

Okay guys and gals....cupboards and closets are verboten!
(though I would love to hear M's giggle!)


message 1814: by M (new)

M | 113 comments I have never giggled in my life.


message 1815: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Think I scared her away?


message 1816: by Jana (new)

Jana no didn't scare me away, I had to go to bed. My work start at 6:30am.
OK about me. I am on this earth for few decades, 2 of them in USA. English is my second language. I love to read, and that's how I learned English by listening and reading, no school. Don't be afraid to correct my grammar and spelling. I'm still working on it.


message 1817: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Jana welcome to Language & Goonies. As you can see we are a diverse lot.


message 1818: by Scribble (new)

Scribble Orca (scribbleorca) | 631 comments Kitty wrote: "Jana welcome to Language & Goonies. As you can see we are a diverse lot."

(loud guffaws from the rest of the audience!)


message 1819: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments We didn't scare David (Dafydd), M, or G N off so we are good to go.


message 1820: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Sheesh. Another youngster. I mean, TWO decades? Wow. Old. And only two years in the States? Clearly all the families I know in New Milford would be news to her. Boring news, that is.


message 1821: by Jana (new)

Jana Newengland wrote: "Sheesh. Another youngster. I mean, TWO decades? Wow. Old. And only two years in the States? Clearly all the families I know in New Milford would be news to her. Boring news, that is."

20 plus years in States, 15 years in New Milford.


message 1822: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Oh, then maybe you DO know some people. Anyway, I was just there for lunch on the green (well, near it) last month. You know, near the silly cannon, which is near the silly gazebo.


message 1823: by Jana (new)

Jana yes I know "The Green", I was there this Saturday at the Pumpking festival.


message 1824: by Ken, Moderator (last edited Oct 22, 2010 05:34PM) (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Pumpkin, unless the gourd was declared king (then we can have fun and call it a "pumpking").

Um, you DID say you wanted corrections, right? Some people like it; others take umbrage. I like it. So when I mess up, blow the whistle.


message 1825: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Ditto for me. I like to be corrected so I don't sound like an idiot.


message 1826: by Jana (new)

Jana thanks, yes I do want corrections, how else will I learn? I always make this mistake or I write pumkin too sometime.


message 1827: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
My grandmother, who was from Connecticut and thereabouts, always used to say "punkin." Is that a regional variation, or just her?


message 1828: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments My grand mother was from Kentucky and she said punkin also. English, Irish, American Indian descent maybe. We grew up saying pumpkiyn.(Ohio) We put a y in there.


message 1829: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Lots of people seem to pronounce it 'punkin'.....all over the world.


message 1830: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
I think it is a Native American Indian word. There's a fish called "punkinseed" hereabouts. Think it's a regional name, though. Some call the little guy a sunfish.


message 1831: by M (new)

M | 113 comments Punkin is easier to say than pumpkin, just as Jimson is easier to say than Jamestown. Pronunciation evolves along the path of greater ease and simplicity. Various societal institutions have had an unfortunate, ossifying influence on the natural course of pronunciation. As Ruth adduces with her comment about her grandmother, and Debbie, with her comment about the widespread pronouncing of pumpkin as punkin, public education and the mass media haven't entirely succeeding in arresting the natural development the word's pronunciation.

Punkin punkin punkin punkin punkin! Long live dialects, words that aren't pronounced as they're spelled, and colloquialisms that defy the simplistic categories of grammar.


message 1832: by Scribble (last edited Oct 23, 2010 05:56AM) (new)

Scribble Orca (scribbleorca) | 631 comments M wrote: "Punkin is easier to say than pumpkin, just as Jimson is easier to say than Jamestown. Pronunciation evolves along the path of greater ease and simplicity. Various societal institutions have had an ..."

Just happens faster than a hundred years ago...regression, perhaps?

1640s, alteration of pumpion "melon, pumpkin" (1540s), from M.Fr. pompon, from L. peponem (nom. pepo) "melon," from Gk. pepon "melon," probably originally "cooked by the sun, ripe," from peptein "to cook" (see cook (n.)). Pumpkin-pie is recorded from 1650s. Pumpkin-head, Amer.Eng. colloquial for "person with hair cut short all around" is recorded from 1781.


message 1833: by Jan (last edited Oct 23, 2010 06:31AM) (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments M wrote: "Punkin is easier to say than pumpkin, just as Jimson is easier to say than Jamestown. Pronunciation evolves along the path of greater ease and simplicity. Various societal institutions have had an ..."
It's interesting your use of the word 'ossifying', M. And why is it unfortunate? For ease of understanding and communication, it could be argued that it is indeed fortunate. And who can say what is the natural course of pronunciation? If it were not for widespread literacy and education, the speed of language change would have no doubt been far greater and we would not have been able to even begin to understand Shakespeare. Would there even have been a Shakespeare? The printed word and education have surely led to many wonderful literary achievements. An unfortunate use of the word unfortunate, methinks.


message 1834: by M (new)

M | 113 comments It's too early in a Saturday morning for me to charge into that fray. I haven't even put on my armor yet. When I got up, I looked out the window and saw some small dragons trotting by, so I flung a spear.

I need to go on a quest, but I can't decide whether for kolaches or biscuit sandwiches. My friends from Dunedin, who call biscuits scones, had a curious adventure at the supermarket when we all lived in Galveston. They had gone looking for biccies. Now, who ever heard of something like that? The poor clerk at last showed them the aisle where the biscuits were. It turned out they had been looking for cookies, I guess to go with coffee.


message 1835: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments They must speak the same as Aussies. We love shortening words and then lengthening them again by adding 'ie'.
So come down and have a good old Aussie barbie. At Christmas, we open Chrissie pressies. But it's hot in December and you have to watch out for mossies. How about a cuppa and a biccie?


message 1836: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
The pernicious habit is spreading. My daughter refers to California as "Cali," for instance. She also says, "Whatev" a lot.

God help us (and if He won't, any bystander will do.)


message 1837: by M (new)

M | 113 comments Do Aussies add but to the end of sentences?


message 1838: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Goats do.


message 1839: by M (new)

M | 113 comments Coyotes got my goat.


message 1840: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Howl (beat generation classic)


message 1841: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
Mossies? What the hell is a mossie?


message 1842: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Mosquitoes? Just a guess, mate.


message 1843: by [deleted user] (new)

Pathfinder Squadron


message 1844: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Mossies are mosquitoes (Aussie mossies are the size of jumbo jets)!
Aussies do add but to the ends of sentences, but. But Kiwis don't.
And scones are only called biscuites in America....they are scones everywhere else in the English-speaking world. A biscuit is round and flat and crisp....chocolate chippies for example! And we call 'em biccies down under.


message 1845: by Jana (new)

Jana M wrote: "Do Aussies add but to the end of sentences?"

I don't know about that. I met few "ozzies" (I'm sure I spell that wrong but thats how I hear it said) as they like to call themsefs and when they say "no" it sounds like "noaeyui"


message 1846: by M (new)

M | 113 comments That's interesting! Where's Jan? Jan, would you render that in IPA?


message 1847: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Or Gabi, I think they are snoozing.


message 1848: by Scribble (new)

Scribble Orca (scribbleorca) | 631 comments out of the woodwork for a minute...it's no way.


message 1849: by Carol (last edited Oct 23, 2010 01:45PM) (new)

Carol | 10410 comments G N wrote: "out of the woodwork for a minute...it's no way."

Are you responding to her noaeyui GN, is it no way you are talking about Jana?


message 1850: by Scribble (new)

Scribble Orca (scribbleorca) | 631 comments aaiiyyeee....sorry.

Jana's phonetic description of 'no way'. The 'way' rises in tone in the middle and the 'y' is quite drawn out.


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