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Carol (Kitty) wrote: "I see you like Moby Dick, I may have to re-evaluate you. (Tag you are it)"

In the two posts I have left here, how comprehensive an evaluation were you able to make of me (apparently, such a one that was reëvaluated with a simple checking of my profile)?


message 1552: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments LOL! What can I say I am shallow. hee hee. I will need to compare our books which I have not done. I hated Moby Dick ,I didn't even finish it . It is on my maybe someday I will finish it list.


message 1553: by Ken, Moderator (last edited Aug 28, 2010 11:03AM) (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
I've tried it a few times, liking it more each time, getting as far as the Queequeg-as-bed-mate scene. I'm thinking Melville's prose is an acquired taste and that I am slowly acquiring it more and more. I love the sentence he wrote in the first paragraph, especially the metaphor "whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul":

Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet: and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping in to the street and methodically knocking people's hats off -- then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball.

Writing like that makes starting the book over every few years for another attempt all the more worthwhile.


message 1554: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 530 comments I like Melville a lot. If Moby Dick seems too formidable because of the length, Carol, you might try (although maybe you already have) the short story "Bartelby the Scrivener," which is a favorite of mine because of the eccentric main character and the old New York setting. "Billy Budd," the novella, is also a good and quick read, although less rich as a story, I think, than Moby D.


message 1555: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments I will check it out I have not read either one. Stupid me tried Moby first.


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Newengland wrote: "I've tried it a few times, liking it more each time, getting as far as the Queequeg-as-bed-mate scene. I'm thinking Melville's prose is an acquired taste and that I am slowly acquiring it more and..."

I often think of Melville and Hugo together. Both have very meaningful, symbolic, and thematic stories that reflect their own biases and passions; both deviate for considerable periods of time for thematically inconsequential exposition: but, while I love Hugo, he's not the gorgeous stylist that Melville is.


message 1557: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments See I love Hugo what does that say about me.


message 1558: by Ken, Moderator (last edited Aug 28, 2010 01:14PM) (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
That you're a Melvillian-in-waiting?

I once was put through Pierre for a college course. I still haven't forgiven the professor.

"... thematically-inconsequential exposition..." Love that, Logan. And it really shows something positive about Melville that you love him stuff despite the deviations!

Jonathan, what was it that ole Bartleby kept saying? I prefer not to, sir, or something like that? When I was in high school (long, long ago) the English Dept. switched required novels from Moby Dick to Billy Budd. Maybe if that time-saving move never happened, MD would be on my resume.


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Jonathan Lopez | 530 comments Newengland wrote: "Jonathan, what was it that ole Bartleby kept saying? I prefer not to, sir, or something like that?"

Yes. "I would prefer not to." That was pretty much his all-purpose answer. And there are times when I feel that way myself.


message 1560: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
I have my own variation on that, borne of many years of teaching:

"After careful consideration: no."


message 1561: by Ruth (last edited Aug 28, 2010 06:10PM) (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
I read Moby Dick when I was, oh, maybe 12-14 and deep into sea stories. I had no idea at the time that it was anything other than an adventure tale. (I'm sure I must have skimmed the interminable equipment descriptions.) I remember thinking it was okay, but I liked Two Years Before the Mast better.

I tried to read it again maybe 4 or 5 years ago when it was a Constant Reader selection. I didn't last very long.


message 1562: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Did you get past the damp, drizzly November of your soul?

On Monday, I'm hitting the dry, scorching September of MY soul in a school without air conditioning (ideal learning conditions, apparently).


message 1563: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments I preferred Two Years Before the mast also Ruth. Maybe because of the history around here and Dana.


message 1564: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Yeah bake those lessons into them. Make a scorching imprint upon the little tikes. ha!


message 1565: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Did you read the Horatio Hornblower books? Me, either. How about the Patrick O'Brian books? Me, either.


message 1566: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Nope and Nope. That was boy stuff.


message 1567: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
And Two Years Before the Mast was a chick book?


message 1568: by Carol (last edited Aug 28, 2010 06:50PM) (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Weeeeeellllllllllllll yeah. (Giggling) I climbed trees till I was 14 years old, and I built rock cities with roads, houses, swimming pools the whole nine yards. I was queen of the town and everyone had to do as I said. Do you think that is why my family calls me the general? hahahaha


message 1569: by Ruth (new)

Ruth | 16546 comments Mod
Newengland wrote: "Did you read the Horatio Hornblower books? Me, either. How about the Patrick O'Brian books? Me, either."

Read a HH as a kid. Didn't like it. Never read anoterh. Tried a Patrick O'Brian last year on the recommendation of someone whose judgment I trusted up until then. Didn't last 50 pages.


message 1570: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
A lot of manunkinds are ga-ga for O'Brian. I'm sure if you checked the 4- and 5-star reviews here on GR for any of his books, you'd see few wimmins and many manunkinds.


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Kate (kateksh) | 144 comments Hello everyone,

I'm a busy Mom-of-three boys from Massachusetts. Lawyer by trade; book lover for fun. I garden, scrapbook, cook, complain and dabble in politics for fun. Great to be here! I love goodreads and really enjoy the L&G group (Political Science major making up for her lack of education in English . . .)


message 1572: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 530 comments Hi Kate--Welcome, and good to meet you.

NE, my dad was a big fan of the Hornblower books, and I remember trying to read them when I was a kid. Unfortunately, I was a little to young to understand the history and a lot of the period references were lost on me. Flipping through channels, I recently caught a few minutes of the movie adaptation with Gregory Peck and Virginia Mayo--a fun costume drama, but said more about the 1950s than about the turn of the 19th century, I think.


message 1573: by Carol (last edited Aug 29, 2010 08:21AM) (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Hi Kate--good to see you here.

See I am learning. LOL


message 1574: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
G'day Kate....you're our 2nd(?) lawyer I think.......that tells us anyway! Hey guys....praps Kate and David will dispense practical advice regarding NFH!!


message 1575: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Sue the hell out of em.


message 1576: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Hi Kate. Beautiful Springfield! (Heh, heh.)


message 1577: by Jamie (new)

Jamie Clancy (syfer_mc) | 1 comments Well I am a year late; but better late than never, right? I joined you guys sometime last year and then I proceeded to forget. Well I got busy and then I forgot. But I'm here now and looking forward to getting my Grammar on.

Oh, by the way I am an English Major currently pursuing my bachelors degree at Berkeley City College. So, of course I will have lots of questions.


message 1578: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Welcome back Jamie.


message 1579: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Nice to deja vu you again, Jamie.


message 1580: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments I was going to wait and try to be the 1000th, but I saw a thread I wanted to contribute to...describe a book in six words, so I walked past 100 or so people and here I am. I'm interested in books, poetry, film, words and their origins and the history of the English language.
My life in six words: so many books, so little time. I've written a few verses to celebrate joining this group:
I broke my arm
And while it set
Discovered the joys
Of the internet.

Three months ago I broke my arm while rollerblading. Since then I found Goodreads, started reading novels again(I'd been stuck in biography and nonfiction for a long time)and started writing poetry again after a break of thirty years. Just found this group today and it looks like a lot of fun. But I wrote a little warning for other newcomers:
Be wary of the kitchen
Where they're cooking up a roast
If you're not very careful
They'll have you on toast!

And I've even written one for the moderator:

His name is Newengland
Not Bill or Brian or Adam
You can call him New or NE
But please don't call him Madam!


message 1581: by Jonathan (last edited Aug 31, 2010 07:23AM) (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 530 comments .


There once was a woman named Jan,
Who said, “Just as fast as I can,
I’ll join Language and Grammar
(our group!), and I’ll cram her
full of verse and good cheer à la Jan.”

A warm welcome, Jan. No point waiting till number 1000. Too much fun to be had in the meantime.


message 1582: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments No sooner had she begun
Than Jonathon joined in the fun,
But wouldn't you know it,
Our new little poet,
Wouldn't let him stay long in the sun!


message 1583: by Jonathan (new)

Jonathan Lopez | 530 comments Well played, Jan!


message 1584: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments It's the last day of winter here in Australia, so how about something a little "Frosty"?

Two roads diverged in a wood
And I,
Joined Language and Grammar as I went by
And that has made all the difference.


message 1585: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments So glad you joined the fun
and skipped above all the others
With your sparkling wit and humor
Welcome from the heart
You have made a good start


message 1586: by Savvy (new)

Savvy  (savvysuzdolcefarniente) | 1458 comments Welcome Jan!
...our newest fan.
May you take much glee
in this merry menagerie!
We hail from all over the earth,
and find "Kiwis" full of mirth!

Suz the Muse


message 1587: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Welcome from the kiwi moderator....got one for me?!


message 1588: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Hi, Jan. Are you Gabi's neighbor by any chance? I know, I know. Oz is a big country....


message 1589: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
No NE....Jan lives on the other side of the continent....a bit like you and Ruth.


message 1590: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Australian Geography for $800, Alex!


message 1591: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Eh?


message 1592: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Jeopardy joke, is all. I got one wrong, but I'm asking for the next question.


message 1593: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Aah....don't watch Jeopardy....


message 1594: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments Debbie, I'll try to come up with something better as I get to know you...but here's my first attempt:

A place where their lack of vowels
Can leave you in a fix...
Our Debbie's from New Z..l.nd
Where you can't tell sex from six!


message 1595: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments For what it's worth,
I'm from Perth
Best place on earth.


Take a look at: HQ.Australia Day Perth Finale 2009


message 1596: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Doesn't everyone in Perth belong to the Flat Earth Society ;-).....and for the record....when an Aussie says he wants to have six with you, he probably does mean a game of cricket!!!

Addendum for Jan....I lived in Sudney for suvun years so I know that of whuch oi spuk!


message 1597: by Jan (new)

Jan (auntyjan) | 1259 comments Debbie, I raise my hat,
Yes, the earth is very flat
Here, but I'm basking in the sun,
Are you having so much fun?


message 1598: by Debbie, sardonic princess of cheerfulness (new)

Debbie (sardonicprincessofcheerfulness) | 6389 comments Mod
Touche!


message 1599: by Carol (new)

Carol | 10410 comments Extoll the worth of a teacher
no higher praise for them
Of course you ask the kiddies
and they will say ahem


message 1600: by Ken, Moderator (new)

Ken | 18714 comments Mod
Free verse, anyone? (Willy already being free and all....)


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