30.7.Delicious Dee's task: I blame Ms Anderson….and Ellen Hopkins

[[deleted user]]

Well, it not that I don't like the option but I don't have a lot of books in common with ms. Anderson, I will look again but It would just be a substitution.

[Angela]

Just to clarify, I am not seeing anything about a 300 page requirement. Am I missing something?

[[deleted user]]

ok, i found one! finally! for roll 1: Battle Royale (four Stars)

[Donna Jo]

Ms Anderson wrote: "Delmy =^.^= wrote: "I guess, maybe I will have to do another option. Thanks for the 5 star shelve link but a lot of them are under 300 pgs or children's or graphic novels...I will do another ..."

I will second The Fault in Our Stars as being a terrific book.

[Dee]

Angela - for any book that has been shelved as childrens, then it has to meet a 300pg minimum for use on any task that isn't a 5, 10 or 15 pointer...unless otherwise specified by the task designer

[Fran]

Dee wrote: "unfortunately, its shelved as childrens and has less than 300 pages, so it wouldn't work - sorry"


Dee, if it's also shelved as Young Adult is it ok to use? My choice, Marco Impossible is mostly shelved as YA, but a few shelved it as childrens. But I really think it's because there are high schoolers in it (children) not because of the level of the book. I have it and although under 300 pages, definitely not a childrens book. The content of the book falls under adult/young adult. I have a feeling The Boy In The Striped Pajamas is the same.

[Dee]

unfortunately, with the rule the way it is, it wouldn't work - sorry Fran :(

[Sandy, Moderator Emeritus]

Fran wrote: "
Dee, if it's also shelved as Young Adult is it ok to use? My choice, Marco Impossible..."

Fran, please see the Rules of the Challenge.

"5. Books with the genre "childrens" or "kids" that are between 100 and 299 pages may only be used for 5, 10, and 15 point tasks unless they are excluded by Rule 4. Books with the genre “childrens” or "kids" on their main page may ONLY be used for tasks above 15 points IF they are at least 300 pages long."

Individual task creators may specify in their tasks that shorter childrens book can be used for that task, but if that is not specified in the task, then books with the genre children must be at least 300 pages to be used for 20, 25, and 30 point tasks.

While there are 25 who have shelved this book as YA, as compared to the 19 who have shelved it as childrens, childrens is the 4th genre listed, out of 10, and is on the main page. The question is whether childrens is a genre listed on the main page, not whether other genres are also listed.

[Fran]

Sandy wrote: "Fran wrote: "
Dee, if it's also shelved as Young Adult is it ok to use? My choice, Marco Impossible..."

Fran, please see the Rules of the Challenge.

"5. Books with the genre "childrens" or "kids..."



OK, thanks Sandy.

[Fran]

Dee wrote: "unfortunately, with the rule the way it is, it wouldn't work - sorry Fran :("

No problem Dee :)


I found another author and book that looks great from the Literature Map that I will use -

The Hunchback of Neiman Marcus: A Novel About Marriage, Motherhood, and Mayhem by Sonya Sones.

[Angela]

Dee wrote:for any book that has been shelved as childrens, then it has to meet a 300pg minimum for use on any task that isn't a 5, 10 or 15 pointer...unless otherwise specified by the task designer

I guess my original question was more centered around this particular task. I found a book on Ms. Anderson's shelves that is a four star, but not 300 pages/ nor a children's book. I was wondering if this task had a 300 page requirement.

[Fandury]

Can I please have this approved for Option 5?

Young adult is second to last Genre and I can see it drop off just to annoy me...

Libriomancer

[Dee]

The 300 Pages only applies to children's books - so should work based on what u said Angela

[Dee]

Fandury wrote: "Can I please have this approved for Option 5?

Young adult is second to last Genre and I can see it drop off just to annoy me...

Libriomancer"

Got it and approved

[Bea]

When this task first came out, I rolled but did not write it down. So, when I got around to planning my books, I had to roll again. I got a 3 and a 5.

For 3, I am planning to read Good Blood by Aaron J. Elkins, a new to me author that I did not get around to reading during the Summer SRC.

For 5, it will be between two books - both poetry: Erotic Poems or Selected Poetry of Yehudah Amichai. Both are on my own shelves.

[Lacy]

Rolled 3 & 5 and both authors are new to me.
Option 3: Busted in Bollywood
Option 5: Crank

[Dee]

Looks good Lacy!

[Lacy]

Dee wrote: "Looks good Lacy!"

Thanks! Okay, enough planning for today...Time to start reading!

[Emily]

I just want to say that I, also, am not usually a fan of poetry or novels in verse, but I rolled a 2 and had to pick a book by Ellen Hopkins. I just finished Crank and thought it was amazing and now plan to read many more books by Hopkins. So, there you go. You've made another fan. Great task. :)

[Dee]

yay Kate! I'm glad you liked it! I was the same...its always great for a convert...so now it can be Kate > I blame DD, who blames Ms Anderson (almost like 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon)

[Andy]

In light of the number of people who have been burned by choosing books that were too short page wise for the task, I rolled a 3 & a 5 for this task ans chose a YA book for Option 5. Does this require that the book be over 300 pages? I don't see any page requirement in the task, but YA and children's books make me nervous

[Dee]

As long as its NOT shelved as children's - it can be less than 300 pages

[Andy]

Dee wrote: "As long as its NOT shelved as children's - it can be less than 300 pages"
Thanks, that clears the confusion in my mind

[Dee]

No problem and if you want me to check the book I can

[Andy]

Dee wrote: "No problem and if you want me to check the book I can"
it's not long enough because it has children's also listed as a genre

[Ashley FL]

So if I rolled 2 and have to read a book by Ellen Hopkins. . . which would you suggest? My inclination is to read Breaking Up is Hard to Do, which seems to have the most to do with my very young teen, but I am open to suggestions!

[Dee]

I haven't read that one but my first one by her was Crank - I've since finished the trilogy and read several others...maybe Ms Anderson will weigh in since she got me hooked

[Megan]

I haven't read Breaking Up is Hard to Do, but if I had to recommend some Hopkins that I have read, I'd probably say these two:

Tilt: One of the narrators is a younger teen going through the first love, pressure to do things she isn't ready for, and body issues aspects of growing up. The other narrators might not be as relevant, however.

Perfect: The narrator who stands out most strongly in this one faces unrealistic expectations from herself and others, while the other narrators are faced with choices that could destroy them. It may be good as a "looking for signs" deal with regards to issues your teen might face.

Another one you might read (and one you might share with your teen!) is Dear Teen Me: Authors Write Letters to Their Teen Selves, which Hopkins contributed to. There are lots of great narratives about how everything seems so intense when you're living the events, but those events may not really matter very much once you're older. A lessons-learned sort of book.

Hope that helps a little!

[Ashley FL]

Ms Anderson wrote: "I haven't read Breaking Up is Hard to Do, but if I had to recommend some Hopkins that I have read, I'd probably say these two:

Tilt: One of the narrators is a younger teen going through the first ..."

Awesome, thanks!

(and it's ok that it is only 192 pages, right?)

[Dee]

not shelved as children's so its ok...

[Ashley FL]

Delmy =^.^= wrote: "ok, i found one! finally! for roll 1: Battle Royale (four Stars)"

Delmy, I loved that book. Enjoy!

[Dee]

Judy - i'm going to say no to that one, because how it appears on the cover, it looks like a combo name, vice 2 separate ones - sorry

[Wanda]

I rolled a one and a three. Would this book be acceptable for Option 3

Alligator Crossing by Marjory Stoneman Douglas

[Dee]

Unfortunately it looks like several readers have it shelved as children's and its less than 300 pages so I'm going to say no - sorry

[Wanda]

Dee wrote: "Unfortunately it looks like several readers have it shelved as children's and its less than 300 pages so I'm going to say no - sorry"

No problem---I can use it for the 15 point task as an outdoor scene.

[Robin (Saturndoo)]

If an author's last name is hyphenated such as this author--Rachel M. Humphrey-D'aigle do you count the H and the D in the last name or just the D for Option 3?

If it doesn't work for this task I will slot it in some where else LOL

[Dee]

It would actually start with a H ;)

[Robin (Saturndoo)]

Dee wrote: "It would actually start with a H ;)"

OK Thanks :)

[Robin (Saturndoo)]

Dee wrote: "It would actually start with a H ;)"

OK thanks :) Just thought I would check because everyone looks at that differently lol.

[Dee]

Np - I work on the first word in the hyphenation is the letter to use

[Sandy, Moderator Emeritus]

Dee wrote: "Np - I work on the first word in the hyphenation is the letter to use"

This is the standard way we deal with hyphenated names and words. Until there's a space, it's all one word.