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Nope. I believe Harry Potter will live on :)
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How long has 'The Da Vinci Code' lived on past its fad? How long has 'The Road'? Recent history certainly doesn't look promising for HP.
Does anyone really think in this day and age, that anything will enjoy 'lasting fame'? Seriously? At the fantastic, insatiable pace which today's media-addicted children and adults all need to be fed? Has there ever been a timeperiod when people could be reached by media..24/7..via a lightweight device which constantly accompanies them.. no matter where they go?
Ever seen kids only truly 'unhooked' from the churn of advertising..when they're asleep? Ever seen an era when movies ($200m budget movies) went from the big screen to a portable screen [or a wire-rack in KMART] in less than three weeks?
Has there ever been a timeperiod when individuals were hooked up *from infancy* to a constantly refreshing entertainment medium? Whether at school, home, or play, or even just sitting alone by themselves?
Don't you know the kind of money involved; the amount of maneuvering and angling going on right now by new authors, new agents, new marketing teams...all constantly striving to create 'the next' paperback franchise? The 'next tv series' we obsessively follow? The next 'Avatar'? There's already someone slated to be 'the next' Stephanie Meyer, did you know this?
Yep. If recent entertainment history shows anything--its that no franchise will last. Already many Tom Hanks films (including Forrest Gump) are out-of-favor. Tom Cruise is considered a has-been, a washout. Name two bigger modern stars?
Prior to this electronic onslaught, yes--some things did last. Now its gotten too lucrative, too big a business. Heck, you wont be *allowed* to hang on to any franchise longer than a few short years. You're not supposed to hang onto anything in this era.
Da Vinci Code? The Road? Are you kidding me?Harry Potter is more in the league of Lord of the Rings or Star Trek. It's got a cult following that will never outgrow it and will share it with their kids. Someday, the whole series will be re-released with new covers or something; somebody will rewrite it as a graphic novel; they'll remake the movies...
This is a fad that will fade and then come back over and over again. The same money-movers that will try to not "allow" our culture to hold onto things will keep pulling this one off the shelf.
it seems to be lasting ok, every book store still has the books, the movies still sell well, kids in school still talk about harry and dress as him for book week. if the books make it through to the children of our children then they will last, and given i currently read my kids The Magic Faraway Tree and The Iron Man i'd say it's likely that they would read to their kids the stories they read as kids
There are so many who will pass these books onto their children. I know I will. They brought me so much pleasure and happy memories, I want to share them with my children. And it is an international sensation; this isn't some small-town fad. It is huge! Even if it decreases in popularity somewhat in the future (doubtful), it won't be forgotten. And Feliks, don't worry. There's still hope. :)
Harry Potter will not be forgotten , I assure you
It won't be forgotten. We Potterheads will pass on this greatest series ever to the next generation.
Feliks wrote: "How long has 'The Da Vinci Code' lived on past its fad? How long has 'The Road'?Recent history certainly doesn't look promising for HP.
Does anyone really think in this day and age, that anythin..."
How long has the Lord of the Rings been remembered? The Chronicles of Narnia? If you're going to compare HP to other books/series, at least compare it to ones that are comparable. The Da Vinci Code and the Road did not sell multi-milion copies worldwide on the same day they were released. Harry Potter is a phenomenon of incredible proportions. Beyond the fact that I do think new generations will continue to read HP (same as LOTR and Chronicles), it will always be remembered for its unprecedented book sales.
Also, I think it's worth noting that neither the Da Vinci Code nor the Road have an entire theme park dedicated to them...
HP isn't going anywhere.
Well I certainly will introduce these books to my kids.
It's going to last for decades, at least.
Every 30 seconds, someone begins reading a Harry Potter book. There is an entire generation that has grown up with and loved HP. When that happens, the story will last.
Wuthering Heights has been around for 166 years; LOTR has been loved for nearly 60 years (and has a HUGE fandom); P&P for 200 years; Sherlock Holmes first appeared in A Study in Scarlet 126 years ago; and Tarzan of the Apes first appeared 100 years ago.
If Harry Potter cannot last as least as long as these, I would be surprised. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that in 100 years, all these stories AND Harry Potter will still be popular.
EDIT: I thought of two others that were loved by the generation during which they were published: Alice in Wonderland was published in 1865 and the Wonderful Wizard of Oz was published in 1900.
The rest of the world can do whatever they want, but my future children WILL read it and you had better read it to your kids too. Otherwise my children will track down your children and laugh at them. If any book from our generation lasts a hundred years, it will be Harry Potter.
I stand by my remarks. You folks need to study up on the topic. There's example after example to cite. 'Avatar' for instance, remember? Basically sank from people's attention-spans about 16 months after its debut. It was wholly poor filmmaking only made novel by the silly re-introduction of 3d. Why'd it fade so fast? Because you couldn't re-create the experience on your home TV. Now, 60% of movies are being done in 3d (ruining theaters) but who remembers, cares, or follows 'Avatar'-mania at this date? Was there ever any meat in that sandwich? Nope. The biggest budgeted movie of our time, had a storyline that was a one-off, had nowhere to go, was just a showcase for a new tech gimmick. Now, except for 3D, where is the movie biz? Still feebly and cowardly triple-dipping into hoary old chestnuts like 'The Lone Ranger' for chrissakes. Ancient. You can't find a movie with any bold, original, new story content these days. The entertainment industry is basically surviving on stale, cold leftovers. They lunge at anything with wizards or lasers. Why do they keep reviving any possible child-friendly story from the vaults of time? Duh, they need to keep things churning; need to keep those kids in their folding seats! Cha-ching!
Harry Potter? Don't make me laugh. The seat wasn't even warm on that franchise before George RR Martin came barging down the door. And then 'Hunger Games' came along (what the heck is that but a re-hashed regurgitating of 'The Most Dangerous Game'?) My point: nothing is allowed to linger. Ask yourself: where is 'Lost' these days? Where is 'Sopranos' mania? All replaced by something else. 'Breaking Bad' and 'Walking Dead'.
Face up to it! These are all just fad projects just blowing by on the wind. Yet at the time, all were praised as 'best programs in our era'. The equivalent in books? Take a look at the Goodreads section for "recommendations-wanted"..its roughly 70-90% people asking for more fantasy, paranormal romance, more dystopics; and zombies. They're sucking down series-books like Raisinets. How do you think that will be remembered years from now? With distinctness?
You almost can't name any 'big premise' which isn't first serialized; then rebooted. Batman, two separate franchises (and the fans of each are now at odds with each other). Star Trek, already in its second incarnation. Spiderman, as well. Superman--how many times do they keep trying to get that rebooted, meanwhile who remembers the first outing with Christopher Reeve? Can you calmly predict that Harry Potter movies won't get a re-boot in a few years? Watered-down? Made foolish and cluttered with spin-offs?
Wizards and spells do not for greatness make. Thin content intended for quick consumption is always easily replaced by whatever comes along next; no matter if the author cranks out 7 books to cement her position in the market. Audiences with the attention-spans of fruit-flys never have time to develop a bond with these rapidly-passing objects of their fandom. Franchises this 'hot' never achieve monumentality; they aren't given enough time to attain any stature. Plus, they're just genre products anyway; and furthermore they have to compete with the internet and computer games.
Care to reconsider your denials?
Having a different perspective and opinion is not a denial.I think Harry Potter is more timeless than any of the movie examples you provided-which is a completely different venue and an entirely different argument. I believe the books are much, much more than you give them credit for.
Nope, Feliks, I don't care to. Jeni is absolutely right. Give these books more credit. There is no way you can compare Avatar or Lost or the Sopranos or any of those other TV shows to Harry Potter or any other hugely popular phenomenon. Sorry, you just can't. The comparison doesn't work.
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..supporting my POV. As the movie industry bends, so too will the publishing industry. What happens in one, will happen in the other--now that they're becoming joined at the hip and resorting to similar business/marketing models.
Very interesting discussion. HP does seem to have legs beyond those Feliks mentions, but his point is well taken in my case. We are all driven by the next big thing. Keep in mind that Lord of the Rings simmered on low boil for decades before being reintroduced to the masses by those wonderful movies. All we can do is share those stories that we loved with future generations. They will have the final say as to what endures.
Feliks wrote: "I stand by my remarks. You folks need to study up on the topic. There's example after example to cite. 'Avatar' for instance, remember? Basically sank from people's attention-spans about 16 month..."
You keep making the same fallacy. None of your examples compare to Harry Potter's following at all. "There's example after example to cite" and all of them that you've cited were low quality stories.
You specifically spell out Avatar's shortcomings and think that it's an example of HP's future? Seriously? All of your examples are nothing more than entertainment. Not one of them touched people's hearts and souls the way Harry Potter does. Don't even get me started on Hunger Games. Why don't you just throw in Twilight while you're at it?
For me, Harry Potter was my patronus during the darkest stages of depression. I've heard similar stories from many people. The only other book that I've heard people talk about like that is the Bible. That one's been around a few years too.
You say "The seat wasn't even warm on that franchise before George RR Martin came barging down the door" but it continued to get warmer. I've read the 1st five books in Song of Ice and Fire. And most of the other books you mentioned. Once, each. Haven't bothered watching the HBO series. But I'm currently reading Harry Potter for the 5th or 6th time. I re-watch the movies anytime I get bored. For the first time ever, I thinking about buying a 2nd copy of an entire series just to have it in a different format. I don't watch tv, but if I hear the family channel is airing a Harry Potter movie, I will watch it.
"Thin content intended for quick consumption is always easily replaced" - that part is true. But Harry Potter is not "thin content". People love these characters. JKR created a whole new world that fans still want to explore. Every time I read them some new gem of wisdom stands out at me depending on what's bothering me that day.
Perhaps you're confusing the question. The "franchise" will come and go in waves. It's a big money-maker. Every time they find a new way to market it, it will blow up again. Then it will make way for something else for a while until somebody finds a new angle. This pattern will continue until some fool remakes the movies and does a truly a horrible job.
But the story, the characters, the whole world this series created will live on in our culture (whether it's selling or not) for at least a hundred years. Even in the information age, the most powerful elements of culture are still those handed down from parent to child, not producer to consumer. Harry Potter is not going anywhere.
till the world ends people would remember Harry Potter
We remember Pride and Prejudice even after 200 years of its release. How can we forget Harry Potter? He will be remembered forever.
I think Harry Potter is a modern classic and will be remembered for however long literature is still appreciated.
'Pride and Prejudice' was written in an era when there was no modern publishing industry; and people generally had a very few books come their way.Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
Who here's a fan of 'The Time Traveler's Wife'? Big fan? Made a deep impression on you? One of your favorite books? Great. Hold that thought.
Now take a look at this:
'The Shoe-Maker's Wife'
'The Aviator's Wife'
'The Anatomist's Wife'
'The Memory-Keeper's Daughter'
'The Bone Collector's Son'
'The Baker's Daughter'
'The Magician's Nephew'
'The Alchemist's Daughter'
'The Fortune-Teller's Daughter'
'The General's Daughter'
'The Merchant's Daughter'
'The Grave-Digger's Daughter'
'The Bone-Setter's Daughter'
'The Heretic's Daughter'
'The Hangman's Daughter'
'The Robber's Daughter'
'The Apothecary's Daughter'
'The Hummingbird's Daughter'
'The Witch's Daughter'
'The Demon's Daughter'
'The Ambassador's Daughter'
'The Madman's Daughter'
'The Vampire's Assistant'
'The Marsh King's Daughter'
'The Bone Doll's Twin'
'The Orphan Master's Son'
'The Queen's Governess'
'My Sister's Keeper'
'The Ice Captain's Daughter'
'The Midwife's Revolt'
'Ahab's Wife'
'The Zookeeper's Wife'
'The Undertaker's Widow'
'The Spy's Wife'
'The Demon Trapper's Daughter'
Can you hear me now? Hoot
Again, Feliks, you are still not supplying an example that is anywhere near the level of Harry Potter fame.
The fact that Pride and Prejudice survived despite the lack of wide, immediate readership Harry Potter has enjoyed and still manages to inspire readers is even more proof of how a story can affect people.Your examples fail to sway my conviction that Harry Potter is a deeper and more meaningful story than a slew of books that are only related through the type of title they have.
You don't like Harry Potter; many more people do. Try giving solid examples of why you dislike it instead, and you may get some interesting dialogue.
I think kids will always discover this series. They speak to the human condition so well.
The trolling Iron Feliks has confused the ravenous appetite of consumers for something new (about which no one is disagreeing), with how people relate to certain works on an emotional level. Apples and oranges.By the way, the point about The Time Traveler's Wife only applies if one believes that books are fungible commodities. They aren't. The notion that books are similar because of the form of their titles is laughable.
By his reasoning, nothing of lasting value will ever be created ever again. Which is only true if you believe that people have zero taste and zero memory.
JDK1962 wrote: "The trolling Iron Feliks has confused the ravenous appetite of consumers for something new (about which no one is disagreeing), with how people relate to certain works on an emotional level. Apples...":)
I don't know about denials, but I am most certain that Harry Potter will live on.
I personally think they'll be around for at least one or two more generations because the Potter fans are very likely to pass on their enthusiasm (and the books, of course!). Maybe our great grandkids won't care for them (but our kids and grandkids definitely will because we'll be around to make sure :D)
I think that it's going o be sticking around for a while yet. At least I hope it does. If you consider the amount of fans, who then will have children in their life that they will makke read harry potter. Because of this I am hopeful that it will live on.
Emily made a good point about the theme park. I would expect that to stay open for 30 years, maybe more! Plus there's the video games, and Pottermore, and as long as J.K. Rowling keeps writing people will be comparing her new books to Harry Potter. I don't think it's going anywhere just based on those points, and that's not even taking into consideration the fact that so many people love these books that I'm sure they'll read them to their children. I certainly will.
People are STILL figuring out Harry Potter. I'm absolutely certain that somewhere, Rowling is looking at the many explanations of the hidden puzzles in her books and saying, "Well, they haven't found ... yet." Harry Potter is so endlessly complicated and unforgettable that it's going to be in bookstores for many, many years.
It won't. It will live on to be remember ALWAYS. Do you think it will someday be considered a classic? I hope so.
Feliks wrote: "I stand by my remarks. You folks need to study up on the topic. There's example after example to cite. 'Avatar' for instance, remember? Basically sank from people's attention-spans about 16 month..."
Most people, here, are referring to the books. You're talking movies. The movies may be remade, but the books won't be rewritten. And, the fact that I love Harry Potter books doesn't mean I'm never going to read anything else. The same goes for the movies. Regardless of whatever I read or watch, I'm still going to love Harry Potter.
You seem to think that going to see a new movie means forgetting about past movies. It doesn't. But, they're not making anymore Harry Potter movies and life does go on.
Julia wrote: "Da Vinci Code? The Road? Are you kidding me?Harry Potter is more in the league of Lord of the Rings or Star Trek. It's got a cult following that will never outgrow it and will share it with the..."
New covers are being released now for the 15th anniversary of the release of HP atSS!
I'm not aware of anything published after Harry Potter in the English language, with the possible exception of Twilight, have comparable popularity & cultural impact on a global scale. I don't know for sure but my guess is that HP will still be around long after the likes of Dan Brown, GRRM etc. are forgotten.
Harry Potter will be remembered...always."After all this time?"
"Always."
I agree. You can't compare the Harry Potter franchise to any single movie or book. You have to compare Harry Potter to Lord of the Rings, Chronicles of Narnia, Star Trek, Star Wars, James Bond, etc: many books over a course of several years, many movies, many fan clubs, Halloween costumes, toys, spin-offs, parodies, fan fiction, theme parks, etc. They'll be around a while.
The Harry Potter series is not a fad it is and will forever be a classic.
Yeah, I really don't think they're ever going to go away. Ever.And by the way, I think that Harry Potter will only fade if the fans let it happen. But hey, Harry Potter's been going strong for sixteen years so far. People have almost become more devoted to them over time, I think. Because of exactly what most of you are talking about doing: they loved it and told their children about it, and it keeps going down through generations, and I think it will continue to do that too. I don't think the fans are giving up that easily. Not on something this great.
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