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Is it true that The Mortal Instruments started off as Harry Potter fanfiction?
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Aug 03, 2013 07:45PM
If it is,wow,i mean really everyone loves harry potter,but for someone love for it to spawn a book series as great as this one is amazing.
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i dont think so, but who knows.
Yep! Cassie Clare first wrote a fanfic called The Draco Trilogy or something in which Draco went to adventures with Harry, Hermione and Ron. It went viral on Fanfic.net. Then something happened and it had to be removed. I haven't read it but I've heard Draco is basically Jace. And that's how Jace's character was born.
What Nightlock said.
The stories were taken down from FanFiction dot net (and she was banned) because they included quite a bit of plagiarism from several different authors. She then reworked the stories, eliminated all the controversial phrases, swapped things around, and the Mortal Instruments was born.
I have read both, and was around while the Draco Trilogy was a thing.The stories are not the same. Rather, I'd say, that she took some of the characters and situations she'd created and used them in her book. Also, some of her witty one-liners.
It is true that she wrote about a sort of reformed, rebellious Draco character very unlike the fellow we know from the actual Harry Potter series. Her Draco is the basis for Jace, right down to the draconian (ha!) father who made him kill his falcon.
And yet the writing is lovely and charming and funny. Judging it as it exists now, I'd say it's earned a little leeway in its history. To celebrate the movie, Myths and Motifs of The Mortal Instruments will be free from the publisher for two days only!
Free August 23 and 24 2013 at http://www.amazon.com/Myths-Motifs-Mo...
Jeremy wrote: "No that is all a lie don't believe any of it."You should because many people have read Draco Trilogy, including me and its even on Goodreads...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
It's not something you believe or not, Jeremy. If you read the Draco Trilogy, you can read passages that are the same in the Mortal Instruments.For example, Jace's story about how his father made him train a falcon, then kill it, is in the Draco Trilogy almost word for word, with Lucius making little Draco do the same thing.
Her conception of Draco is the basis for Jace's character: a damaged, quippy trained fighter with a heart of gold with sexy silver hair and leather pants. This "Draco" is entirely her own creation and bears little resemblance to J K Rowling's Draco--a cowardly, privileged bully.
Actually, I think it's nice that Jace got a chance to grow this way.
Allison wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."I never really thought it was anything like HP when I was reading it. I am a fan of both series and there's actually quite a bit of differences between them.
Let's face it, the big difference between HP and TMI is that JK is an amazing author. She too got ideas to her world from all over the place, BUT she didn't steal lines from Buffy the vampire slayer, she didn't steal dialogue from other books and films. She created her characters from scratch and tells an enchanting story.
I read the first book of TMI without knowing it was an idea from a HPfanfic. And well... I really disliked it. It has what a lot of fanfictions have: gaps in them. Whole parts and events that jump and are not properly explained or explored. And in fanfics it works, because you have the original story in the back of your head as you're reading it.
But in TMI there are just holes, with some funny comments and lines inbetween.
Then, when I realized it was originally a fanfic, the resemblence hit me so hard I had to laugh. I think it eas actually what made me almost enjoy the second book, because I love the Draco/Ginny idea so much.
But let's face it. There's no real character building, the few intimate moments that lead to Jace and Clare falling madly in love with each other are so hollow it made me even madder when they pulled the sibling card! I'm sorry, but you can't just adore a chracter because he's had it rough and is hot.
It kills me that this book is so huge when there are tons of characters and stories so much more alive than this! Harry Potter, sure. Percy Jackson! Katniss Everdeen! Those are amazing characters that you actually get to know. And then we have the most amazing ones, that deserve to be much more popular, but are outshone by this piece of soulless writing:
Stargirl. Lennie from the sky is everywhere. Rory from the name of the star. Or even Rosie and Alex from where rainbows end; who are only presented in the letters and notes the ywrite to each other. Read about those characters, and then come back and tell me that this is a good peiece of writing.
Sure, it's a fun story. An amazing world and idea. But well written? I think not.
Sorry about the rant.
I read the first book of TMI without knowing it was an idea from a HPfanfic. And well... I really disliked it. It has what a lot of fanfictions have: gaps in them. Whole parts and events that jump and are not properly explained or explored. And in fanfics it works, because you have the original story in the back of your head as you're reading it.
But in TMI there are just holes, with some funny comments and lines inbetween.
Then, when I realized it was originally a fanfic, the resemblence hit me so hard I had to laugh. I think it eas actually what made me almost enjoy the second book, because I love the Draco/Ginny idea so much.
But let's face it. There's no real character building, the few intimate moments that lead to Jace and Clare falling madly in love with each other are so hollow it made me even madder when they pulled the sibling card! I'm sorry, but you can't just adore a chracter because he's had it rough and is hot.
It kills me that this book is so huge when there are tons of characters and stories so much more alive than this! Harry Potter, sure. Percy Jackson! Katniss Everdeen! Those are amazing characters that you actually get to know. And then we have the most amazing ones, that deserve to be much more popular, but are outshone by this piece of soulless writing:
Stargirl. Lennie from the sky is everywhere. Rory from the name of the star. Or even Rosie and Alex from where rainbows end; who are only presented in the letters and notes the ywrite to each other. Read about those characters, and then come back and tell me that this is a good peiece of writing.
Sure, it's a fun story. An amazing world and idea. But well written? I think not.
Sorry about the rant.
It's absolutely true. She used to post under Cassandra Claire (with an i) on fanfiction.net and is the author of The Draco Trilogy. However the mortal instruments is actually based on her fanfiction which means its actually plagiarized. She also bullied a student and almost got her expelled from her university for accusing her of plagiarism! I don't sanction any of miss Clare's work.
Michelle wrote: "It's not something you believe or not, Jeremy. If you read the Draco Trilogy, you can read passages that are the same in the Mortal Instruments.For example, Jace's story about how his father made..."
This is a great example.
I knew about the plagiarism but I had no idea the books were based off of it. I never really liked TMI (it was okay, but I lost interest and didn't read the most recent one. Also she puts out so many new spinoffs that I just couldn't keep track).But let's face it. Whatever the origins, TMI is not HP. It just isn't. And she obviously removed the bits she'd copied directly from other books (I forget the details), because TMI was published.
So TMI is not plagiarism. Plagiarizing is wrong, yes, but honestly it's kind of nice that she managed to deplagiarize (is that a word?) it and publish it in this way.
As I always say whenever people go on about how a book should never have been published- "they won". :)
Michelle wrote: "It's not something you believe or not, Jeremy. If you read the Draco Trilogy, you can read passages that are the same in the Mortal Instruments.
For example, Jace's story about how his father made..."
Wait... if Draco is Jace ... then who is Sebastian/Jonathan?
honestly based on his physical appearance and how he was in the movies i would say Draco is Sebastian lol.
For example, Jace's story about how his father made..."
Wait... if Draco is Jace ... then who is Sebastian/Jonathan?
honestly based on his physical appearance and how he was in the movies i would say Draco is Sebastian lol.
I came across this from a long-winded path. Not really important. While on the journey I also came to know that she had also written a fanfic also named The Mortal Instruments, which was a Ron/Ginny fic. And she backed off the incest aspect in the actual TMI book.
It is true to say that Cassandra Clare started out as a Harry Potter fanfiction author, but not that the started out as a fanfiction that got its names changed. I read her fanfiction back in the day and still have copies of quite a bit of it. Baring minimal content, notably the falcon story and one liners, TMI is its own separate story. A scene like the falcon scene does not make the rest of it the same.Any other issues with Clare and what choices she has made as a person aside (she had upset many in the fanfiction community), to say that TMI is the HP fanfic she wrote with plagiarized content taken out and names changed simply is not fact. To ask who was Sebastian renamed from or some such just doesn't work. The stories aren't the same. And as for whether Jace was based on Draco, the Draco she wrote wasn't the Draco in the HP series so who knows. He is what she wants him to be, good or bad.
If you like or dislike the story and quality of TMI and the world she has written her books in, it is still an original story and not a fanfiction.
Some of the characters from the fanfiction are really similar to the Shadowhunter characters, but as far as I know, the shadowhunter stories aren't based off the fanfiction.
Atty wrote: "Michelle wrote: "It's not something you believe or not, Jeremy. If you read the Draco Trilogy, you can read passages that are the same in the Mortal Instruments.For example, Jace's story about ho..."
her Draco is different from the original draco so he fits more Jace but i don't think there's an actual character from harry potter that she based on for sebastian....but wouldn't say he's the most unique character either but still interesting though.
It's normal for fanfiction authors to make their stories into a book, i mean they spend so much time on writing it but never got the recognizing they deserve...sure her fanfiction or even her books are not amazing but she still has some wit and it's pretty good for a teen book series.
Nah, I don't think so. Its such different ideas. Carry on however is.
Sort of. Many of the Mortal Instruments characters are similar to the characters in Cassie’s HP fanfiction, However, the mortal instruments wasn’t written to be HP fanfiction.
Ladycopine wrote: "Atty wrote: "Michelle wrote: "It's not something you believe or not, Jeremy. If you read the Draco Trilogy, you can read passages that are the same in the Mortal Instruments.
For example, Jace's s..."
I thought they said the draco trilogy was draco and ginny and draco has green eyes and pale blonde hair and ginny has green eyes and red hair the same features as Clary and Sebastian , thats why i said it i think she actually originally intended that ending for Mortal instruments which is why she slipped so many hints in it when she realized the fans didnt react well she may have decided on subtext instead before finally destroying her villain. But anyways i think he is original in his own unique way because he isn’t really like Draco but the author also flip flopped a lot on his character but he was still the most interesting character in the series i would say along with Clary if she hadn’t been so cliche. Lol
For example, Jace's s..."
I thought they said the draco trilogy was draco and ginny and draco has green eyes and pale blonde hair and ginny has green eyes and red hair the same features as Clary and Sebastian , thats why i said it i think she actually originally intended that ending for Mortal instruments which is why she slipped so many hints in it when she realized the fans didnt react well she may have decided on subtext instead before finally destroying her villain. But anyways i think he is original in his own unique way because he isn’t really like Draco but the author also flip flopped a lot on his character but he was still the most interesting character in the series i would say along with Clary if she hadn’t been so cliche. Lol
Rachel wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."
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How the hell are there so many similarities between HP and TMI?..."
Harry Potter actually has a crucial religious reference biblically but also most of the other references are satanic . Lol
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How the hell are there so many similarities between HP and TMI?..."
Harry Potter actually has a crucial religious reference biblically but also most of the other references are satanic . Lol
Rachel wrote: "It might have started off as a Harry Potter fanfiction, but the important point here is this: it isn't anything like the Harry Potter series. Once people ACCEPT that fact, no one would say such bad..."It didn't start off as HP fanfiction though, some of the TMI characters are inspired by Cassie's HP fanfiction but TMI itself was never HP fanfiction.
Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."
And the Deathly Hallows(the Mortal Instruments). And the Death Eaters(Circle.)
And the Deathly Hallows(the Mortal Instruments). And the Death Eaters(Circle.)
Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."And the Deathly Hallows(the Mortal Instruments). And the Death Eate..."
I can see the connection between the Circle and the Death Eaters, but the Deathly Hallows and the Mortal Instruments are very different outside of the fact that both are a trio of powerful magical objects. The concept of a set of powerful magical objects has exsisted throughout a multitude of fantasy series though.
COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."
And the Deathly Hallows(the Mortal Instruments). An..."
But still, it makes sense, because if City Of Bones was based off of Harry Potter fanfic, then both still include three magical objects, which the heroes had to look for, before Valentine(Voldemort) found them. Cassandra Clare just changed them up to fit the Shadowhunter World.
And the Deathly Hallows(the Mortal Instruments). An..."
But still, it makes sense, because if City Of Bones was based off of Harry Potter fanfic, then both still include three magical objects, which the heroes had to look for, before Valentine(Voldemort) found them. Cassandra Clare just changed them up to fit the Shadowhunter World.
Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."And the Deathly Hallows(..."
City of Bones wasn't based off an HP fanfic though, some of the TMI characters were based on the fanfic, but the story and world itself is not.
COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diagon Alley!), etc."
And the ..."
But still, she borrowed a lot of plot from Harry Potter.
And the ..."
But still, she borrowed a lot of plot from Harry Potter.
Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, teleporters (Diago..."Like what? Valentine's Circle? I already addressed that that's the most borrowed aspect because Valentine's based on her fanfic version of Voldemort. Character similarities? Already addressed that too, the characters in TMI are based off the fanfic, but not the world or the plot. The fact that a normal person discovers a fantasy world? That's just an Isekai story structure, this type of story has existed and has been used far before Harry Potter, because it's the most direct way to introduce a fantasy world. Many TMI characters are pulled from Cassie's fanfic, I accept that, but the plot and world are not based off of Rowling's.
COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones and HP. Muggles-Mundanes, te..."
But large pieces of the plot and world is are borrowed from Harry Potter and her fanfic. BTW, you're discussing this with a 12-year-old girl.
But large pieces of the plot and world is are borrowed from Harry Potter and her fanfic. BTW, you're discussing this with a 12-year-old girl.
Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "COMPLETELY_BOOKISH wrote: "Unicorn wrote: "Kaora wrote: "There are so many similarities between City of Bones a..."What does your age have anything to do with this? Also, please explain to me which pieces of the plot and world are borrowed exclusively Harry Potter and not just common fantasy and plotting tropes.
Well, she did write a fanfiction titled 'The Mortal Instruments', which shipped Ron and Ginny and was very, very disgusting. It's the reason why I refuse to read any of her work.
I just read Harry Potter and after rereading TMI i truly believe Cassandra was inspired by Rowling.. Valentine is Voldemort, he has the group of followers and believed to be dead.. no one wanted to believe that he is back.. the conclave is the ministry of magic etc etc.. It is not a bad thing as much as its a downer... I made the research about the all thing after i read the plot of Magisterium (I dont think anyone can disagree there.. the two have many similarities).. Thats why I love TID more I think from the first time I read it cs its so fresh.. anyway my opinion... No one payed any of you to be their lower..
apparently, people still think that JKR created the hero's journey and all the archetypes.
deleted user wrote: "Let's face it, the big difference between HP and TMI is that JK is an amazing author. She too got ideas to her world from all over the place, BUT she didn't steal lines from Buffy the vampire slaye..."I agree, especially about the difference between fanfiction and an original story:
"It has what a lot of fanfictions have: gaps in them. Whole parts and events that jump and are not properly explained or explored. And in fanfics it works, because you have the original story in the back of your head as you're reading it."
Yeah, but I only noticed a few similarites. Like Valentine is very similar to Voldemort and Luke Garroway/Graymark= Remus Lupin. The plot might have been similar, but I didn't really pay attention enough to realize it. it's not like I was reading it the whole time think "does this happen in HP".
