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A twist on the "best man for Sookie" question: If *you* were Sookie, who would you pick?
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Cary
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Jul 09, 2009 08:07AM
I don't think Eric is gay or even bi now. I am just playing with you. But clearly he has been around the block. I dig Bill allot. I like Eric allot two but I think for Sookie Bill is better suited. He is the only vampire that is half civilized, and really trying to live peacefuly with humans so far. I mean Eric locking Lafeyette in the basment in his own filth is rather a bit much. All he did was sell some vamp blood. I was hoping they would turn him. When he told Eric. "I will be one bad ass vampire, and I will be yo bad ass vampire." Go boy go. I did not see season one. Just read all the books and started watching season 2. I have seen the trailers for season one. I just love Aids Burger. When Eric came up to Bill at the store in a jogging suit or was it a lieusure suite I thought it was hilarious. I always imagined Eric in a sport coat and slacks and always well dressed. Which is how he is portrayed in the books. Except for Dead to the World. When Jason buys Erics clothes at Wal mart. ha ha Actually I like both Bill & Eric both in the book and in the TV series. Now Pam they should have made her 19 like she is supposed to be. The wicked ole southern gal in her late 20's makes a good Pam. But I was expecting a more sophisticated teenage Pam.
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Cary wrote: " I don't think Eric is gay or even bi now. I am just playing with you. But clearly he has been around the block. I dig Bill allot. I like Eric allot two but I think for Sookie Bill is better suited..."LOL Cary. I was also not very pleased with the whole "basement scene", it just didn't sit right with me.
No vampires definitly develope a sexual orientation, and it does matter to them. Bill never does any gay activities. Eric is not gay although he was as a young vampire. As soon as he got rid of his maker he went back to being straight. Sophie Anne is Lesbian. However these are preferences they have developed. Sometimes after trying all kinds of sex. Eric would not go gay now. I don't think the vampires place the same heavy emphasis on it as we do. They do not procreate by sex. However they do as vampires have invidual sexual preferences. Like the King of Mississippi is a ragging Queen. Well Bill,and Eric are straight no bisexual thing going on with those two. Pam in the books swings AC/DC. So they are like humans in that some of them prefer the opposite sex. Some of them will have sex with anything and anyone. An some of them a stright up gay. But sex as a moral issue does not exist for vampires. It's just what you personally like.
Eric all the way! When he lost his memory, I believe that his true self rang true and that they are meant to be together!
What about Quinn the Were Tiger. Actualy Sookie is not going to marry a vampire. She is just using Eric for a boy toy. Because he's good and cant make her pregnant. She is going to want to have kids, and dump the vampires. LOL.
Cary wrote: " What about Quinn the Were Tiger. Actualy Sookie is not going to marry a vampire. She is just using Eric for a boy toy. Because he's good and cant make her pregnant. She is going to want to have ki..."Unless they go all Twilight on us Cary! LOL
Oh yeah Twilight that the vampire book with no sex. LOL. Very clever but all the Sookie Stackhouse books are just short of pornography in some places. Like where Neaeve and Lochlan who are brother and sister Faires take a break from torturing Sookie to have sex. Twisted for real and I don't see Sookie Stackhouse books ever not loaded with sex, magic,violence, betrayal, and all that good stuff. TrueBlood even bumps up the ante with sex,drugs,violence,magic, and sneaky behavior.
I was a fan of Quinn but now i'm voting for Eric all the way!! I think Bill hurt her too bad by his betrayal....
Betrayal? His maker called him. You know how the game is played. If Erics homo maker had called on him he would have had to have have had to bend over and spread em baby! Or whatever other sick activities his maker needed of him. Sophie Anne more or less let her maker die. So I would imagine Eric put and end to his maker too. Bill is a young vampire and did not realize his maker was so wicked and devious. Or her would have killed her.
No not that as much, Cary, as the reason why he originally got together with her in the first place.... but of course that's my personal opinion ;)
I can rationalize that he was following his Queen's orders and didn't know Sookie yet. I can rationalize that he had to obey the compulsion to follow his maker. I think it's not so much a betrayal as much as it's the emotional toll on the relationship. Knowing that the origins of their relationship revolve around lies. I know, and certainly Sookie knows, what his true feelings are now. But emotions aren't rational and were I in the same situation it would take my emotions a long time to catch up with my rationalizations and logic.
What I don't really understand is what is the Queen doing giving Bill all these secret orders and not Eric Sheriff of area 5. Did Eric know about Bills mission. I think he was working secretly for Sophie Anee in area 5. I guess she didn't want Eric to get as powerful a tool as Sookie. Sophie was smart, and new how amibitious and ruthless Eric was. The first thing Eric started trying to do when he met her was gain control over the use of Sookies telepathy. Which the queen wanted for herself. Bill developed the computer data base for himself,or for the Queen. The data base was the cause of Bills being lured into Mississippi? With all the things Bill is entrusted to do. He was like Sophie Annes secret agent. But he had no official vampire rank. Eric obiviously values Bill, and likes him. Bill is obviously the number two man in area 5. The other vampires at Fantasia including Pam are just Erics staff. Eric and Bill are always together and their squabbling over Sookie is almost comical. Yeah Bill was sent to Merlottes to meet Sookie. Then they saved each others lives and became lovers. Bills being sent to meet Sookie changed her life. Boy thats for sure. He introduced her into the supe world. She was 25 and never had sex? She should be giving Bill a lottah laititude for that alone. Bill has one big disadvatage becasue as we all know. We never stay with our first lover. Not in these times anyway.
Sophie Ann heard of Sookie's ability through her lover/Sookie's cousin, Hadley. When Sophie Ann heard that Bill came from Bon Temps originally, and that Jesse Compton's land would revert to Bill, she thought his link to the area would provide the perfect cover for him to get to know Sookie. I think Sophie Ann didn't let Eric in on it partly because there was no reason to in her mind. Bill was the best way to get to Sookie, so Bill was her agent. You're right that letting Eric in on it would only have been an unnecessary complication.
Cool you have such a good memory. Yeah Hadley told Sophie about Sookie. So that old house does belong to Bills family. Still there is chain of command. Eric is sheriff of area five and you think Sophie would have as courtesy due his rank let him in on what was happening in his area of opps. Sophie Anne was and Eric is ruthless & cunning which is how they got where they are. Katrina really was bad for Sophie. First she had no allies after the Arkansas vamps turned against her. Then Katrina serioiusly hurt her assets. Then the dude Don Carlos? from Vegas. It was Eric's willingness to go over to the wining side that saved them all. Actually I think Eric did not care about Sophie Annes downfall at all. Except in how it affected his station. He will do well with the new regime. The way those vampires and were's turn on each other it's a suprise they ever get anything organized. The next book is going to have to do with another war. It will be called the War of the Supes, and the Fellowship in cult circles. What happend to The Fellowship of the Sun. You know they are going to have a showdown with the supes. It's coming for sure. I am suprised it has not already happened but I think Charlaine Harris used the Fairy war to buy time. I thought at first the Fellowship was behind Crystals death. However it is coming. The Voodoo witch may be a valuable allie in this upcoming war with the Fellowship. Charlaine is saving it for something real spectacular. This is how I see Charlaine has foreshadowed events. I wonder how many more Sookie Stackhouse books she can write. I mean 9 is allot and she is my favorite vamp series author for her ability to keep the ball rolling.
As Queen she wouldn't see she owed Eric any courtesy at all. She is his superior and owes him nothing. If anything he owes HER for the position he is in, and should be grateful for any added info she provides him and not expect anything. Vamp politics are complicated and very selfish.
Well I think it would be in her best interests for her Sheriff to know whats up. To lend assistance and protection for her selfish operations. I love that Eric quote from TrueBlood, "You'll have to forgive Bill he is abnormally attached to this human." Yup Bill loved Sookie mission or no mission for the Queen. Your right vampire politics are selfish. As soon as Bill saw how cool Sookie was he pretty much forgot about Sophie Anne and her mission and focused on Sookie.
Unless in her mind it had nothing to do with him. In which case he didn't need to know, and so she stingily kept it to herself. I'm not 100% sure at which point Eric finds out Bill's intentions. He may have known from the beginning and SophieAnne swore him to silence on the subject, that's why he didn't out Bill sooner.
No, Pam said (and Eric confirms) that they didn't know Bill was sent to get close to Sookie. I got the impression Eric hadn't the knowledge for long when he forced Bill to confess to Sookie in the hospital in New Orleans.
I think Sookie is better off with Eric, I believe he would protect her with his life. Though I get the feeling that there is something that we don't know about Eric.. but we will see.I think Bill was good for Sookie in the beginning, but as Sookie got stronger I think she outgrew him.
Alcide would also be good for Sookie, but Eric is the front runner.
I think at this point either Bill or Eric would protect Sookie with his life. Each for their own reasons. One thing I do know is Michelle remembers these books in every detail. I can remember most of what goes on. So much is happening in Sookie Stackhouse books it's hard to remember it all. I am going to see if there is a synopsis of all the Sookie Stackhouse books for sale yet. There is a box book series that you can buy with books one through eight. But there are nine books now and so much is revealed in book nine it aint funny. I am very sure Charlaine Harris has written or is busy writing book ten. So any current synopsis will be incomplete.
Michelle M. wrote: "No, Pam said (and Eric confirms) that they didn't know Bill was sent to get close to Sookie. I got the impression Eric hadn't the knowledge for long when he forced Bill to confess to Sookie in the ..."Yea, there's no way that he would have kept that to himself for that long.
I only remember so much because I reread them last month!Eric isn't big into lying. Withholding the truth, definitely. But lying, not so much. Which is probably why Sophie Ann sent Bill to wheedle his way into her life. Eric would just threaten her into complying or hit her with a business proposition. Also, the Queen's method meant Bill could analyze her abilities and determine how valuable she might be!
I'll still stand by my choice of Eric. For me he's adaptable in his actions, but steady in his convictions. And once he's decided a person's earned his loyalty, he'll stand by them.
Speaking only for my personal taste in men, Bill is too old-fashioned and stiff, Alcide is too controlled by his volatile emotions, Quinn was very promising but would have to adapt his life to include a girlfriend, and Sam is a nice guy but a little too normal!
Funny as it may be, I think Eric is the best mix of danger and stability!
I will go with Bubba just to be contrary. By the way Bill never really lied to Sookie. Plus everything Bill did was done with Erics approval. When Eric saw how cool Sookie was all he wanted to do is steal her away from him. Eric is as sneaky as Bill ever was. In fact both those guys compliment each other very well. Have you noticed that Bill and Eric are always hanging together. Who does Bill go to when he is in trouble? Eric thats who. Who does Eric go to when he needs help. Lonesome Vampire Bill an for sure. Hah ha and Bill was Sookies first real deal boy friend. That is a major deal in a girls life. You might not know just how major a deal that is yet.
I'll grant that first love is a big deal, and that's why at the end of the last book we're seeing a bit of a Bill resurgence. I don't think Bill and Eric really spend all that much time together at all. We just have a biased view because the books are Sookie's POV and they both have a vested interest in her.
And not all of Bill's actions were done with Eric's approval.
Bill goes to Eric because Eric is his direct superior as Sheriff. He's just following proper vamp channels of authority.
Eric goes to Bill because all the action is Sookie-based. Bill wants her safe for personal reasons and is local. Obvious choice for a loyal bodyguard.
At the very least Bill and Eric are allies. They are the two most bad ass vampires in Area 5. They always help each other. They may not play tennis together. But all Eric does is hang out at Fangtasia. That is when he is not busy manipulating someone or being attacked or torturing somebody. Probably the only peace he has had in years was the time he spent hidden at Sookies in "Dead to the World". Bill on the other hand has a life. Dates other girls. Invents computer programs. In a stand up fight I'm not so sure Eric would win. Bill did kill Naeve with his bare hands. Even though he was bitten by her silver teeth and stabbed with her silver blade. He not only killed her,and then wounded he killed Brendan. Bill stuck Brendan with Sookies trowel and killed the Fairey prince. Brendan got choped by a sword. But Bill stuck him first, and Bill lived. Bill is one bas ass vampire. He risked his life with Nial to rescue Sookie. Nial knew Eric but he went with Bill to rescue Sookie. When he told Sookie. That Vampire really loves you. He was not talking about Eric. Eric and Bill survived the takeover together. Amazingly enough because of their mutual attachment to Sookie. You can't tell me those two arn't friends or at least allies. Eric would never hurt Bill. I want Bubba to make his appearance on TrueBlood. Now that would really be something. Also Jason is going to see the FOTS for what it is. A terrorist/hate organization hidden within a church.
Cary wrote: " At the very least Bill and Eric are allies. They are the two most bad ass vampires in Area 5. They always help each other. They may not play tennis together. But all Eric does is hang out at Fang..."I have to disagree about Bill being a bad ass..LOL
Bill is a cool customer and one very bad ass vampire. How do you explain the fact that he killed Naeve the fairy assasin unarmed, and also the fairy Prince Brendan wounded with only Sookies trowel. When Brendan had a sword, and Naeve had silver teeth and a silver knife. Read the books Ranata. Bill is not a bad ass in the cheesy criminal biker type way. He is a bad ass in the Navy Seal type way. A disciplined warrior who doesn't go around acting like a bad ass. Bill is one only when the situation calls for it.
Firstly, Bill and Eric are not friends. And I would say they are allies of circumstance. Bill respects Eric's ruthlessness, shrewd business mind, and progressive attitude. Eric sees Bill as an asset because he's the originator of the database and can be dependable in a pinch. At the same time, they resent each other deeply on a personal level and would love to be out of the other's sight. There are many instances of them belittling each other. Were Sookie never a factor, things might be different between them.
As for the bad ass aspect, they are both fiercely determined creatures who will fight for what they believe in. They've both been soldiers/warriors in their own way, so they are both very capable of laying on the hurt. But in a fight between them, I think Eric would win by virtue of age and experience and added ruthlessness. Were they closer in age, it might be a far better match of skills and more importantly, wits. Of course, Eric's confidence might trip him up...
Hi Everyone!I'm new to the group but couldn't help commenting this topic. I think it has been interesting to watch Sookie learn through her experiences with men over the last couple of years. I believe that her relationship with Bill made the biggest impact and helped her define her priorities when it comes to what she is willing to tolerate and what she is not.
Listening to her reflections and interpretations of her different relationships with these men, I truly think that Eric is the right man for Sookie. I know that she will choose him in the end. The only reason she hasn't already made that choice is because of she is hesitating due to the blood bond and the confusion it has shed over her feelings for him. But we all know from book four (before so much blood sharing) that she felt so at ease with him then.
It seems to me that Sookie is very independent and despite the fact that Eric has a very powerful air around him, and he occasionally makes decisions without consulting her, she hardly gets upset at him about it. The reason is because overall, he treats her like a peer-equal partner versus Bill who had the tendency to act like her father. She does want a strong man/head of the family type, but not the father type significant other and Eric can deliver that when needed.
There are many other reasons but overall, they have great chemistry and great conversation because unlike Bill, Eric is open and honest with her. He shares his own life experiences and Sookie (as well as the reader) feels that he is more known/trustworthy as a result. They share deeply and both become equally vulnerable, they laugh, they tease, they work together, and they are very attracted to each other.
I love Eric for Sookie. She is at ease with herself when she is with him.
Allison wrote: "Cary, have you read the books?"All nine of them. Dead Until Dark, Living Dead in Dallas, Club Dead, and Dead to the World are my favorites. I guess beacause they are the first four and the ideas are fresh. Which is why I rarely read Vampire series books. Sookie Stackhouse is the only one I can stand. I like stand alone books Carmilla, Dracula much better. They are so much deeper. I suppose the attaction of Sookie books is they are so current and up to date. Plus they are a combination of book generes. Vampire story, Mystery story, and Romance or shall I say light porn. Every one seems so blind when it comes to Eric. Sookie seems so at ease when she is with him? How do you get that. He is always freaking her out. The only time they were at ease was in Dead to the World.
She is at ease with herself, not at ease with the world. There is a difference. The outside world will never be at ease. So, the most important relationship is the one that allows you to be the you that you love. I believe Carrie Bradshaw says something to like this in SATC, but it is so true.
The relationship we choose for ourselves should be the one that highlights the things about ourselves that we love.
Morgan wrote: "Eric is clearly not all the way gay, regardless of his past partners. Even is he does like men... he obviously likes women as well. The last thing I think about when I think of Bill is laid back an..."Eric's not GAY! LOL. He was obviously not comfortable with having that relationship with his maker. But the way I understood it, he had no choice as it seems most do not when it comes to the maker relationship.
Hearing him talk about it, he seemed obviously uncomfortable and a little disturbed by those experiences. That's what I understood from the way it was written.
Ashley wrote: "Eric all the way! When he lost his memory, I believe that his true self rang true and that they are meant to be together!"I totally agree, that was his true self ---- his guard was down, something he can't do when he is the Sheriff.
I never said Eric was gay. Matter of fact I said he had been gay but as soon as he was free he of his maker he went back to his true nature. I think for whatever reasons people are predjudiced against Bill. Because Bill is a regular guy. Bill is the coolest vamp of them all. He just wants to get along, and enjoy life. He does not like controlling people. For some reason people prefer people who like to dominate others. Wierd for sure. I don't like controling people. I don't like them controlling me. Bill reminds me of me. A real laid back cat who is dangerous ass hell to be fucked with.
I have nothing against Bill, I'd just prefer Eric. We all have our different reasons and interpretations of why we would prefer one over the other...Cary I see why you like Bill now, you relate to him! I on the other hand like the idea of a hot sexy viking vamp...shallow yes but there's a lot more to him in my interpretation of the books. He doesn't pretend to be something other than he is- it's all cards on the table. I love that vamp!
Cary wrote: "Allison wrote: "Cary, have you read the books?"All nine of them. Dead Until Dark, Living Dead in Dallas, Club Dead, and Dead to the World are my favorites. I guess beacause they are the first..."
Hm... then I honestly do not know where you get your theories from. I don't think you understand the characters at all.
Perhaps part of the problem, Cary, is that for the most part, we're sticking to the board topic while you're discussing everything everywhere... This board is about personal preference. Ours, not Sookie's. And for those who prefer Eric (myself included), we're not prejudiced against Bill, we just prefer Eric's personality for us.
All of us agree Bill has his good points, and Eric his bad points. To each their own in the team wars.
But saying those who prefer Eric must like to be controlled and must be blind...I find that insulting.
Hello. New to the board.I recently ready the books, all nine in one week. I read books 8 & 9 in one day. Having said that, I find that the passages I go over again and again are the ones where Sookie and Eric interact, either verbally or physically. CH has created this wonderful "slow build" of tension and feeling between these two characters. I don't know how Sookie will end up, but Eric has become one of my all-time favorite leading men.
Well its kind of easy to stray from one topic to another. Sookies prefence. I think Sookie is confused. I think she does not have a preference really. I think she would like to be independant. But Eric wont let her. He says it is for her own protection. Sad but true if the Vegas vamps want her. But you can't tell me Sookie wants to be with Eric only. She likes seeing Eric. She likes sleeping with Eric. But to be with Eric for ever? Nah. I don't think Sookie prefers anyone. There we go right on topic.
By the way Allison I don't know where you get your theories either. These Sookie Stackhouse books are pulp fiction vampire series books. As much fun as they are they are, they are also as pulp as they come. I really don't get to scientific in my analysis of them. Not like I would Carmilla or Dracula. Which actually have a theme and plot. Have you ever read Carmilla? I have read every vampire story available. I even read Twilight and Kissing Coffins to my intense emabarrasment. Sookie Stackhouse is the only Vampire series book I like.
Cary wrote: " By the way Allison I don't know where you get your theories either. These Sookie Stackhouse books are pulp fiction vampire series books. As much fun as they are they are, they are also as pulp as ..."Character analysis. Oh and I actually paid attention to the books. Maybe you should concentrate on the series at hand.
Cary wrote: " Well its kind of easy to stray from one topic to another. Sookies prefence. I think Sookie is confused. I think she does not have a preference really. I think she would like to be independant. But..."When we read Sookie's train of thought, she doesn't out right say she prefers anyone. But actions speak louder than words.
Well she is drawn to Eric by the ever increasing amounts of blood he has given her. Bill was the first vamp to give her blood, and a couple times to before Eric. But the blood wears off after a while. However Eric is making up excuses to put as much blood into Sookie as he can. There may be a point where the effects of blood infussion become permanent in humans. That is why Sookie always has Eric on her mind. Eric also chases off all competition like Quinn. Who has been known to relieve the world of a pesky vampire before, and just may relieve us of Eric. Sookies actions have been kind of mixed lately. Last book Dead and Gone left it pretty much up in the air. Really we'll just have to see what happens in book ten. Which is a good number to end the series. A good even number. She has written 9 books already. There is only one epic struggle left. The struggle between all supes, and the FOTS.
I don't know that the blood is her only reason for beign attracted to Eric. But I do know that the blood is the main reason she is wary of HAVING a relationship with him. She wants whatever relationship she devotes herself to, to be honest and by her own choice. With Eric she doubts how she feels because of the blood thing. I think Eric would have the best chance of winning Sookie's heart if he found a way to reverse the effects of his blood on her, and let her make up her own mind sans influence.
Cary wrote: " Well she is drawn to Eric by the ever increasing amounts of blood he has given her. Bill was the first vamp to give her blood, and a couple times to before Eric. But the blood wears off after a wh..."Ms. Harris just signed a contract for three more books so there will be at least 13. Plenty of time for more epic struggles. Yay!
Jessica wrote: "I don't know that the blood is her only reason for beign attracted to Eric. But I do know that the blood is the main reason she is wary of HAVING a relationship with him. She wants whatever relat..."I completely agree Jessica. If we all remember way back when Sookie first meets Eric at the bar when she arrives with Bill, there was already some kind of immediate interest between the two. I think that more is to come about the blood bond and Sookie will discover that it isn't inspiring her to be in love with Eric, but she is. We already heard from Pam, who was made by Eric, that she was never in love with him but she obviously cares very deeply for him and can read his moods, etc. But their closeness is not that of being in love. Sookie will see this when she has more time to talk with Eric and think things over.
Cindy wrote: "Cary wrote: " Well she is drawn to Eric by the ever increasing amounts of blood he has given her. Bill was the first vamp to give her blood, and a couple times to before Eric. But the blood wears o..."Cindy, that is the best news I have heard all day! Where did you find this out?? I need to keep track:)
I think Sookie's dear of the blood bond actually causes her to put too much weight on it. We don't have much evidence so far of her being directly influenced by it from a distance. In person, yes, but when she's thinking about him during the day while he's out for the count, I think that's all her. Isn't that what Tara implied in the last book?
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