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Two main theories1) Pretty boring, just that KC made a small plot error. She forgot what she wrote before and flubbed it up a bit. I've seen small things slip by other authors in the past so it's possible.
2) Roger is actually from the late 60's-ish and Agnes just waits to deal with him for some reason. She then drops him back in her own timeline. Ugh as I type that out I realize how silly that one sounds.
Related but different enough to warrant its own post, I have a theory that the Pythian power has a built in paradox protection for the Pythia wielding it. Meaning that Cassie can't actually screw uo her own timeline. Everything she changes, even in her past, really happened that way for her personal timestream. The power just sort of makes it so.
Dajuan, I think that might be a possibility. Agnes says in CtD that the Pythian power would not allow two Pythias to meet in the past, unless the Pythia has personal stakes in the matter (we don't know that Agnes is actually chasing Cassie's dad at that time).
But, there is also the matter of Cassie and Tomas changing LC's past in TtD. And both Cassie and Tomas remember that LC was originally cursed with vampirism instead of being made by Radu. Which means the timeline changed for everyone else besides Cassie and Tomas.
I think I read somewhere that the timeline is linear, everything has been done, we just get to experience it in a non-linear fashion through Cassie.
My head hurts when it comes to the time travel stuff. Kudos to KC for keeping track of everything!
But did Cassie know about LC creation? I didn't think she did, having just met him. I'm about 2 chapters away from being done listening to RtW then I will listen to TtD again to see what what said. I may be miss remembering it as well.
Scarlet wrote: "My head hurts when it comes to the time travel stuff."This pretty much sums up how I feel, lol. :D It's really confusing because initially, a lot of characters act as if they don't know Cassie ... but then she shifts back, meets them in the past, and when she comes back to the present, they claim they remember her. O.o And yes, LC's past seems to have changed for everyone, becoming 'canon', except for the two people that caused the change - Cassie and Tomas who heard about the Francoise-version earlier. That seemed okay-ish, but lately, especially with the several Pythias in different timelines it's a little weird, lol.
@Dajuan: The Pythian power is weird, and I'm not sure I get how it works, lol. So just to check if I understand right, for example everything Cassie did in the past, that was going to happen to her, it's her 'default fate'? Like doubling the geis, and meeting her father, and helping her mom? Or getting the seidr placed on her in the past? That would be interesting because if she can't screw up her timeline then everything she did, was automatic directed by the Power?
Well, we find out in RtW that the power is sentient to a point. It answers Cassie's question outright in the hall during the final battle. She realizes it foiled her attempts to save Pritkin before Wales because both he and the staff weren't together until way back when in Wales. I think of the Pythian Power like the Force, it directs Cassie's actions occasionally but also obeys her commands (mostly). "Default fate" makes it sound like Cassie has no power over her future. But she has to have power to change her fate or there would be no story here. The way I see it is she does an action, it has consequences. The power reacts and twists those consequences to work around Cassie's past without changing it. For example: Cassie meeting her parents at Tony's. We know they were killed when she was 4 by Jimmy the Rat's car bomb. Cassie meeting them a few years before that must be suspicious to them. They have to think, "why not just ask present day us. Oh we must be dead. Maybe we should change our plans." So they do, but something slows them down. Or their original plans were different and they decided to stay so the car bomb kills them. Etc. I think the power reacts to Cassie rather than directing her constantly. If not why have a Pythia?
I hope that was cleared than mud, I'm running on about 4 hours sleep and not much more from every night this week.
Cassie does remember about LC, and so does Tomas. In fact, Mircea tells Radu to make LC and then leave him alone so LC will not have a master. LC develops....issues with this, as Radu tries to explain to Dory in Midnight's Daughter. This is the reason why the Consul has issues with Mircea later on and believes Mircea to be too powerful, because the new timeline put LC in Mircea's family. Like I said, time travel stuff hurt the head.
Otherwise, I agree with Dajuan. The power makes sure that what happened cannot be changed. So it helps Cassie save Pritkin before he's wiped out of existence, but, it also seem to be helping Cassie with the war by making sure Cassie goes to Pritkin in Wales when he has the magic stick.
@Dajuan: Ooh, that sounds unpleasant. Timelines are hard to keep track of at the best of times when one's at the top of their mental alertness, lol, I can imagine reading Cassie books while being tried. I see what you mean! It's a fine line between sentience and free will, as the power is shown to have a will in choosing the best solutions and and pulling Cassie to places she needs to be that she has no knowledge of. I like your idea of things 'balancing out' even after a time-related intervention, which gives some leeway to the people in question. It's indeed strange that Cassie's parents die even after they met her and knew they were going to die... perhaps they trapped themselves in the paperweight? Cassie and Jonas check it out and her dad's ghost is already presumed to be in there... I'm looking forward to having that plotline resolved, it went nowhere after that brief travel back in time to Antonio's place.@Scarlet: Good point about LC's issues! See, that's super interesting because it suggests that as much as they tried to keep it the same as it was (LC growing up without a master vs. LC growing up with his master staying away) that raised issues that he wouldn't have had earlier... like knowing that he did have a master (and father figure) but being rejected is different from not having a master in the first place. Good point about LC and Mircea's family, it's interesting to contemplate if the Consul would be so anxious about Mircea if LC wasn't from his line, or wasn't with Dory...
So, yeah, time travel still hurts my head too, but it raises interesting points to discuss! :D
Okay...I can't exactly remember if KC ever confirmed or not WHEN exactly the geis that Mircea laid on Cassie was doubled or not BECAUSE...if it was doubled when they met again in TtD when she is 24 (not 11) then that means that it is POSSIBLE that when he laid it on her when she was 11 that Mircea, knowing about her clairvoyant ability and the way she looked he could guess that she may one day become Pythia, because he remembered her from the theatre and she would while not look the same, she would look similar.We know it gets doubled for him at the theatre. We know it gets doubled for her...SOMETIME, but I can't remember if it is when it's laid the first time when she's 11 or when it wakes up and she's older.
SO...THEN Mircea attempting to seduce her in TtD and the LOOK they exchange after the feeding where they demonstrate it to Pritkin could be more than just the geis waking up, it could be him REMEMBERING her from the theatre, and realizing that she WOULD be Pythia, but since he wouldn't know EXACTLY when she would travel back in time to meet him, he couldn't say anything.
My head hurts lol. Trying to figure out if the events in CbS, since they haven't happened for CASSIE yet, mean that they haven't happened for MIRCEA because even though it occurs in his PAST, it doesn't happened until further in Cassie's future. Thinking on the whole thing with LC and Radu and Francoise and all that.
Also...concerning the Consul...I think that LC and Radu and Dory (especially after he events in Fury's Kiss) are kind of just an excuse for the Consul. I think it has a lot more to do with Cassie. Because the Consul knows at least SOME of what Cassie has done in regards to changing the timeline, and how she already made LC (who is niiiiice and powerful) a end up in Mircea's family, but her ability to do it AGAIN, and also to potentially take AWAY some of the Consul's power must freak her right out. I mean the Consul didn't get where she is without not only making enemies, but also by watching her back. And I think she is being cautious because she might think that Mircea might turn against her if she ever ordered him to do something that would affect Cassie in a way he doesn't agree with. Especially since Cassie is a power unto herself and can't be controlled by the Consul and she knows it, and it bothers her. I think that having Myra wipe out so many Senate members in TtD and turning her own stable against her and almost taking out Marlowe freaked her out a lot more than she is ever willing to admit. Add in the Cassie knowing she can turn into a snake, and all the stuff that happened when MAGIC exploded and what Mircea has done since to save Cassie's life...yeah...I'd be curious where his loyalties lie as well if I were her.
See, this is why the head hurts! While Cassie, Pritkin, Tomas, and LC fight Jimmy and Jonathan, Mircea battles dark mages with future Cassie and holy fuck Billy Joe is in both fights. That's why TtD Cassie meets Francoise and Radella (the pixie) imprisoned inside Dante's.
But then, future Cassie, from EtN goes back in time (again) and just as the fight ends (the fight between Mircea and Cassie and the dark mages) and Cassie, Francoise and Radella disappear, future Cassie comes back and takes Mircea with her to 1793. From Mircea's perspective, the events from EtN happen before Cassie wakes up and parades around the gang in her robe in TtD.
So, Mircea knows Cassie will become Pythia, but he doesn't know how (hence why he is calmly discussing possible suitors for Cassie).
However, the geis had not been active at that point (during 1973 in EtN). I think the geis doubled during the feeding scene, which happened after EtN for Mircea, which is why he is able to function when Cassie takes him with her. Also, Cassie assumes that the geis is "happy" that they are together and is not hitting them hard, and that present-day-EtN Mircea(who is in a magical trap at the time) is unable to function because they are separated, and Cassie is fine due to the Pythia's power (but I think this was due to Cassie being a demigoddess instead). So, I think the geis originated as two separate spells: first in the 1880s at the theater, second when Cassie was 11, but the two spells were not active until both present Mircea and present (not future) Cassie showed attraction, which happens during the feeding scene in TtD.
I think the biggest issue the Consul had with Mircea is: when does a powerful ally become too powerful, powerful enough to take you out if he wishes to do so? As the Consul shows in DM when she blatantly tortures Dory to challenge Mircea, she definitely thinks that Mircea could take her and win. With LC, Dory, and Cassie on his side, he could. What she does not realize is that Dory would not go against the Consul just cause Daddy said so, Cassie already refused to make more master vamps just cause Mircea said so, and LC is a law onto himself who actually has more humanity in him than any other vamp, including Ray. Also, Mircea would not go against her unless she touches Dory, Cassie, Radu, and LC, and maybe Horatio too, and his other vamps. The scene with Jules and the rest of Cassie's bodyguards makes me think that Mircea, unlike a lot of master vamps, does care for everyone in his vamp family (hence why instead of trading them, he sends them to guard Cassie). But yes, the Consul is scared out of her wits: what with vamp plots against her and threats from Ares, yeah. I would be too.
While I think that the Consul worried about Cassie being a loose cannon, I think she worries more about how Mircea could possibly use her, and, added to that is the fact that Cassie wouldn't do something just because Mircea, on the Consul's orders, said so. Regardless, I think the Consul's fear of Mircea will not dissipate so easily, and one of the reasons why she put both LC and Dory on the Senate is probably to keep them close, within Marlowe's spying reach.
@Zoltan: LC is one of my favorite characters, literally the only swoon-worthy guy with little to no games behind, and I find it amazing that he is that way because of Cassie. Also, he even meets Dory because now as a part of the family, he fights Drac. All because of Cassie. Especially since Cassie let's Drac loose in the first place. I know LC is a bit too much of a goody-two-shoes for some, but I like him anyway. Him helping Dorina fight the Consul's vamps in FK is hilarious (too bad it happens off-screen).
If the Consul is as worried about Mircea's growing power as you guys are saying (and you do make a very good argument for it, just never thought about it really), do you think she might push Cassie toward another vamp for a love interest? It's too much for me to hope that the Consul is team Pritkin, but it's looking like she's not team Mircea anymore either. Related, I think we're going to see Mircea's stable of vampires take another hit pretty soon if and when Cassie makes a break from him. Rico, Fred, and possibly even Marco are showing much more loyalty to Cassie than Mircea lately so I think they follow her rather than him.
I REALLY need this reread haha. It has been TOO LONG since I've reread the whole series and I keep finding new little tidbits I had forgotten or had gone unnoticed. Especially concerning the timeline insanity. Sometimes I don't know how KC does it. She must have this giant board in her house that is laid out like a conspiracy nut job's would be. With red string connecting things together and this GIANT timeline all set up. ANYWAY...@Scarlet, I love that LC is your favorite!!! I love that LC is a little bit nuts too, so he's not afraid of Dory/Dorina (even though he DEFINITELY should be...she is mega powerful) and that he loves her and the whole "little spoon" thing which makes me swoon too.
I honestly think that Mircea doesn't want to be Consul. Neither does Marlowe. While being Mircea IS powerful enough to be one, and more and more people are starting to notice, I think that Mircea is too...I wouldn't say happy, or content, but I think that he is too...smart maybe?? Doesn't have a death wish?? I think that the Consul can't figure out WHY Mircea wouldn't want to be Consul, because she doesn't feel the same. But I think it's also that if he was a Consul it would limit his movements, and increase his enemies, and that would extend to his family. And to Mircea, family is more important to him than almost anything. I think part of the reason Mircea became so powerful was to protect his family. And I think that's another thing the Consul doesn't entirely understand about him, but she understands it enough to NOT try to take out anyone super important to him.
Honestly, I think the Consul is not pro Cassie with anyone that she can't control. I think the Consul doesn't know Cassie well enough yet to understand that Cassie isn't under Mircea's thumb, though he might pretend she is to make the Consul think she's less...dangerous?? Or to get the Consul to not order him to do anything that would cause problems between the two of them. I don't know...I think we need a novella about Ol' Snakey now hahaha. See what's going on in HER head. Enough Pritkin stories. Though...I wouldn't turn down more Marlowe either...but can you IMAGINE a story from Ol' Snakey's POV???? About ANYTHING??? That would be incredible and give us SO much to discuss!! Anyway, when the Consul was actually dual Consul with Antony, Mircea was the one to HELP put them there, so I can see why she is worried about Mircea taking over from her. Especially with Cassie being Pythia and having the ability to change things and whatnot. Not only is Mircea possibly powerful enough to defeat her on his own, but he's already helped take down a Consul when he was MUCH younger. And he has only grown in power and status. But I really can't see Mircea being a Consul. I know he'd be powerful enough to hold the seat, I just can't see him WANTING it. Not if it did anything to put his family in even the slightest danger. (And yet...he lets Dory and LC on the Senate...)
Aw, I like that there's love to go around for LC :D He's pretty cool as far as honorabe arrogant French duelists with abandonment issues are concerned. <3Aileen wrote: "I think that the Consul can't figure out WHY Mircea wouldn't want to be Consul, because she doesn't feel the same."
I think that definitely sums up the core of the issue! She teamed up with her lover to take down the old Consul... and since it's something she's done she thinks Mircea wants to follow suit. She's pursued power in her life and in death... and assumes Mircea will want to do the same. I think as well that Mircea's 'ambitions' are 100% to do with his family. Considering the revelation in Fury's Kiss when he tells young Dory that they'll be safe one day, because he won't always be weak is just sooo adorable and telling about Mircea's motivations. Being on the Senate - and as you mentioned, having Dory accepted by the Senate - all serve to keep her safe really, and if Mircea wanted to kill her he could have easily done so (she has no mental powers that we know of, right).
I spent yesterday re-reading all the Q&A's posted on KC's website. There were some really interesting bits that have already come to play, some that have been contradicted in books already, and some hints at future things to come. Some things that answered questions that I have seen posed in this forum in a few places too. One thing that really stuck out to me was a question about Cassie's relatives on her father's side (Q&A #43, July 2013):7. Since her father was a magical human, does Cassie have relatives she doesn’t know about on his side? If so, will she ever meet them?
Eventually, you will realize just how funny this question is. For right now, though, all I can say is that you’ll find out more about Cassie’s parents in TTS, although not the answer to this question just yet.
This could be interpreted several ways. First is that Cassie has already met and is actively dealing with some of those relatives. They could be vampires, people in either circle (Jonathan or Jonas both come to mind). Maybe that crazy mage she meets with Agnes in CtD isn't her father but his brother. That would explain the confusing event timeline there. Another theory is that her father is actually from a long ago time and Cassie's mom kept him alive far longer than a normal human. Or just brought him forward. So any of his relatives are already dead or so far removed as to be unimportant. Yet another theory is that he is not fully human at all either. Maybe he's part something too. I'm not sure, but I hope we see some pay dirt from this comment in RtS.
"This could be interpreted several ways. First is that Cassie has already met and is actively dealing with some of those relatives."This would be totaly interesting! I hope this is the case, although I can't think of a suspect yet.
I think she did meet her father with Agnes, but as he is (was?) part of the Guild he was able to time-travel and do some time-related adventures that attracted a Pythia's attention.
Good catch in the Q&As, they just remind me how many plot points KC is holding back.
So in doing a little research Ragnar means: "Warrior from the gods" in Norse
"Strong Counselor" in English and Scandinavian
"Strong Army" in Swedish
According to the Numerology portion of Sheknows.com people with this name like freedom, fight being restricted by rules and conventions, and are restless and rebellious. That certainly seems to describe Cassie's dad. The name meanings make me think he is far older than he presents himself. Probably not as old as Artemis, but up there in the years. Makes me wonder if he's 100% regular old human himself. Could he be a very weak demi-god too? Or a god creation?
As to the relative theory, the only person I can think of is Jonas. That doesn't quite feel right though. I like the above theory better.
Ok random thought after a night of two farewell parties and in bed about to drift off to sleep (yes I'm sad enough to think of this series at such a point in time)... anyway in dory books we see bad mages/guys are looking/trying to create a creature whose magic spans the divide of heaven/hell .. so who is a main character who is half demon and apparently according to his father more than a little bit fey (heaven) in this series???? A plot point or not???
I think about these stories at all hours too, no judgments here!So you're saying that such a creature that spans the divide already exists, which is completely true. He doesn't use demon magic (I don't think) but he uses human and Fey regularly. It's been a while since I read the Dory books, what are they trying to do with such a creature? As in what's their end goal with it?
Karen wrote: "Ok random thought after a night of two farewell parties and in bed about to drift off to sleep (yes I'm sad enough to think of this series at such a point in time)... "Lol :D Fret not, you're in good company, your secret is safe with us!
"so who is a main character who is half demon and apparently according to his father more than a little bit fey (heaven) in this series???? A plot point or not???
Great catch, the symbolism of that was lost on me!!! I'm sure it will indeed feature as a major plot element - KC spent so much time on Pritkin's incubus-ness, how feedings work, how power-exchanges work, and now recent books feature a lot of fey stuff, so it must come up!
Not sure if it's related, but I think that Cassie and Pritkin will get a quarter-god-quarter-necromancer-quarter-demon-part-fey-mage child. I almost broke out in a bad case of marysueitis as I thought about it, lol, but she has suspiciously convenient secret hybrid backgrounds for those two.
O.o a Prissie baby! I think you just broke my brain a little....,,
Dajuan wrote: "O.o a Prissie baby! I think you just broke my brain a little....,,"Lol :P Don't tell me you weren't thinking about it.
Karen's idea about Pritkin's powers spanning the hells and the heavens is a good point, KC might be trying to set him up as some uber-special Jesus type, saving the world and such... he has very little function in the series otherwise, the job of a bodyguard could have been done by any other character, so his incubus powers and maybe his fey heritage surely have to feature into the plot!
And considering the direction the series has been going, I think none of us would be surprised if the two emotionally wounded celestial hybrids would procreate, right? It's part of the soulmate-HEA-package after all. (Not that I like when books do that, and I'm still hoping Cassie will sacrifice herself and die).
I would be surprised if they had a baby. At least not unless there is a significant time jump. The whole series has taken place over less than four months and I doubt the next book takes up much more time either. I shudder to think how long a pregnancy would take on that sort of timeline. Plus HEA doesn't have to mean kids. It would be funny as hell to see the two of them as parents but it doesn't seem like that sort of series.
Dajuan wrote: "I would be surprised if they had a baby. At least not unless there is a significant time jump. [...] Plus HEA doesn't have to mean kids. It would be funny as hell to see the two of them as parents but it doesn't seem like that sort of series. "Sure, if Cassie survives the war, it can be at the very end. She looks at her one true love and her child, and the story fades to black... or something... I'm not sure what to expect of this series anymore. I'm still hanging on to the hope that it will end in an epic manner and not with a HEA (preferably with the heroine's epic death, which may not even be permanent because Pythias, ghosts, gods, etc.). Frodo never settled down either, and left his home behind in the end, maybe Cassie can do the same.
It never came up before, because of Tomas and Mircea ofc, but let's just hope that Pritkin and Cassie will have the foresight to use protection then if they ever engage in the much-hinted sex that they are seemingly getting closer and closer to with every book. Otherwise, their as-far-as-we-know functional bodies will result in some unsurprising developments :P
So, as a follow-up on the why-I'd-like-to-see-Cassie-die topic, I dug up some of my old stuff from literary theory (I liked linguistics more even then, so my memory about the details was quite fuzzy, lol). I found what I was looking for though, and the following may be a spoiler for the entirety of the Cassie series, so be warned (though I think it's an interesting and thought-provoking read).It's from Joseph Campbell's definitive work on the subject, The Hero with a Thousand Faces (New York: Pantheon Books, 1949), pp. 245-6.
"The mythological hero, setting forth from his commonday hut or castle, is lured, carried away, or else voluntarily proceeds, to the threshold of adventure. There he encounters a shadow presence that guards the passage. The hero may defeat or conciliate this power and go alive into the kingdom of the dark (brother-battle, dragon-battle; offering, charm), or be slain by the opponent and descend in death (dismemberment, crucifixion). Beyond the threshold, then, the hero journeys through a world of unfamiliar yet strangely intimate forces, some of which severely threaten him (tests), some of which give magical aid (helpers). When he arrives at the nadir of the mythological round, he undergoes a supreme ordeal and gains his reward. The triumph may be represented as the heroes sexual union with the goddessmother of the world (sacred marriage), his recognition by the father-creator (father atonement), his own divinization (apotheosis), or again—if the powers have remained unfriendly to him— his theft of the boon he came to gain (bride-theft, fire-theft); intrinsically it is an expansion of consciousness and therewith of being (illumination, transfiguration, freedom). The final work is that of the return. If the powers have blessed the hero, he now sets forth under their protection (emissary); if not, he flees and is pursued (transformation flight, obstacle flight). At the return threshold the transcendental powers must remain behind; the hero re-emerges from the kingdom of dread (return, resurrection). The boon that he brings restores the world (elixir)."
As a slightly more digestable modernized version (by Paula Munier) might be more applicable to our KC topics.
"ACT ONE (BEGINNING)
THE STATUS QUO: When we meet our hero, we see him in his everyday world, before he undertakes the journey that will change his life.
THE CATALYST: This is the event that calls for our hero to act, leave his everyday world behind and embark upon a journey into the unknown.
DENIAL: Typically our hero balks at this call to adventure and rejects the opportunity outright--often out of fear or hesitation or pride.
ENCOUNTER WITH THE GURU: Every hero needs a mentor, someone whose knowledge and wisdom are vital to the hero's transformation. This sage adviser can help him navigate the twists and turns of life and, most important, the hazardous journey ahead.
ACCEPTANCE & ACTION: This is the event that prompts the hero to change his mind and accept the new reality of his life. He decides to act, which means leaving his everyday world behind and crossing the physical and psychological threshold into a new world.
ACT TWO (MIDDLE)
TRIALS & TRIBULATIONS, FRIENDS & FOES: In this new world, our hero encounters the people who will help him along his journey--and those who will thwart him. The tests that challenge him will help him determine friend from foe.
THE EDGE OF THE ABYSS: Now our hero is poised at the edge of the second threshold, but before he crosses it, he must regroup, rest and plan his next course of action.
THE PLUNGE: The hero takes the plunge into the abyss, facing his greatest fear in a confrontation with death--literal or metaphorical.
THE PAYOFF: Having survived the abyss, the hero earns his prize.
ACT THREE (END)
THE WAY THROUGH: At this point in the story, the hero is on the road back to prepare for the biggest test of all. He may be running from the forces unleashed in Act Two--which is why the way through is often a chase scene.
THE TRUE TEST: This is the final test, the one in which the hero must prove that he has truly learned his lesson.
RETURN TO THE NEW NORMAL: Our hero comes home, transformed by his journey, with his reward--physical and metaphorical--in hand."
So credit goes to the wonderful authors of course, I just thought it would be interesting to share and raise the topic for discussion as I think there's plently of material and parallels and hints we can apply to the series!
Pritkin admits that even half demons have a pretty low reproduction rate, so it would be rare that he has a child. It would be interesting to see them have a child, but I can't see it happening for a long time if ever. It doesn't seem like that type of series. While, I don't think KC will be killing off the main five (Cassie, Pritkin, Mircea, Dory, LC) or a couple of her more favorite side characters (please let Fred stick around, he cracks me up), the world is a pretty dangerous place and not really a place for kids right now. Sure she could have someone else care for her child, but I can't see Cassie or Pritkin wanting that. Based on their own shit childhoods they would want to take any child and protect him/her and give all the love possible, not do the same thing that their parents did to them. Also, you bring up some interesting points with the hero's journey. Don't forget though that the author can and will deviate from the source material at her leisure to suit her story. She won't want to paint her self into a corner story wise or become too predictable. That said, Cassie seems to be cycling through the journey somewhat. She's gone through Act II a few times, with the danger and payout ramping up each time.
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I've been reading HtM and listening to TtS concurrently (yes I'm weird I know). It's funny how you catch related things in the books when you do that. Or think about things that could possibly be related. I am still stuck on the mage from CtD, Cassie's dad, and the story Agnes tells about her heir running off with the ward. Could she have had two heirs run off to get married and steal the ward? Maybe they get the ward back from the first heir but not Cassie's mom. Seems a simpler explanation than anything else I've come up with. As such I'm sticking to that because everything else requires too much mental gymnastics. Plus it would be funny that "Perfect Agnes" had rotten luck ala Cassie.
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So:
Pritkin's ability to have demon sex comes from his demon half- - -of course. His mage-fey half can't have demon sex.
When Cassie has demon power sharing sex, the ability comes from her goddess half. 'Cos mages can't have demon sex.
If the gods, and especially Artemis, had demon sex with an incubus, there's no need for a war. There would be plenty of power for bòth gods and demons. Also, since gods are fertile enough to have over-populated their world, there might be a bonus of little demon-god babies.
Actually, maybe gods could have sex with all kinds of demons. That would make them highly desirable sex partners, just as incubi are now.
What a great HEA! No war, everybody happy.
Oh, yes, one more thing. Artemis is restored to full power, Roger has his soul and gains a body in Faerie, so Cassie can shift to see her parents whenever she wishes.
Now then, someone just has to teach gods to have sex with demons, instead of devouring them. Ms Chance, it's all up to you! Just kidding, (I think).
Nancy wrote: "Now then, someone just has to teach gods to have sex with demons, instead of devouring them. Ms Chance, it's all up to you! Just kidding, (I think)."Lol! That's an amazing creative idea! Make love, not war? A perfect resolution! Cassie's and Pritkin's existence itself shows that the creatures of the heavens (gods, fey) can breed/feed with the creatures of the hells (humans, demons)!
There has been also several plotlines related to feeding, energy, and power exchanges that have yet to go anywhere, so a cosmic-scale pacifying power trip for all involved would be quite a finale! :D
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Since Mircea "died" in 1447, he must have become second level quickly enough to Change Tony, and for Tony to have become seventh level and to Change Raphael in 1520 - - -a period of only 73 years. Disgusting as he is, TONY must have been on the short track to becoming a master. Maybe Mircea's vamps mature faster than other masters' vamps do.
None of this is important, but it does give us real points in time that could apply in the Cassieverse.
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We knew that Mircea was a fast-track vamp, but I didn't realize that TONY was, too. Even splitting the time disproportionately in order to give Tony twice as much time as Mircea, that leaves Tony making seventh level in 48 years while Mircea did it in 24 years.
Remember the Mei Ling, the tiny Asian enforcer for the Consul, who wanted to bring in Rasputin before Louis-Caesar would duel him? She really resented being replaced by Louis-Caesar as the Consul's champion, but she had gotten strong enough to be the Enforcer on the NA Senate in about 100 years.
I guess both Mircea and Tony could become seventh level in 73 years, but I wouldn't have expected Tony to be so fast. I got the impression that no one respected him at all, other than his own vamps.
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I wish there was a way that Cassie could remove Mircea Mark and be free of him like There should be a Rare plant in Faerie That would get rid of it and I wish that they were friends instead of lovers because I can’t see it .but she could find the answers in the book how do you get rid of someone’s Mark At the council’s Library or in the Pythias Library and i think he needs to let her go And be With John permanently
Right, I've tried to detail it out below from the various POV's. I'm taking the Hunt the Moon party to be in the 80s (based on Artem..."
Ok, I realize this is from nearly 4 year ago but this has been bothering the hell out of me too!! I cannot figure it out! (Back to reading the thread in case there are answers after page 3.)