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Jul 31, 2013 08:26AM
No if Mircea dies... then he better not come back alive. That would be lame. of course KC can make probably make it unlame lol. Who would take over the family then? Not Tony... Maybe Dory? Radu?
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Cassie. He named her as his second when he was afflicted with the geis. Marlowe confirms this in Embrace the Night.
Oh I forgot about that! Oh man... has he revoked it? I mean, keep her as his second... that is a lot of trust on a non vamp.
It makes you wonder if the other vamps would even accept Cassie if he were to pop off. I certainly don't recall any mention of him revoking it. You'd think, now that Dory's been accepted into the fold, that he'd want her to be his second. And I think she's more powerful than Radu (who's only 2nd level I believe).Interesting times ahead!
I'm a little late on some of the pairing theories on discussion but I've just got to say how much I love you guys and your willingness to go there with the fun stuff no matter how outlandish it may seem, and how you even make me want it for real lmao (you've got me gunning for Marlowe/Mircea for real damn you! *shakes fist* never mind that it might make Pritkin jealous LOL)I actually would really like some Asshat/Dory action (though LC is my endgame for her) and it's so great to see you guys feel the same way!
You know what I think would be fun? If the different sides of her personality were attracted to different men. I get this vibe from Dorina that she would relish the cat-and-mouse games with Asshat in a totally primal way. There is something quite sexual about the predatory way he's latched onto Dory isn't there? I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it, crackpot as it may be :D after all that's what this group does best!
oooooh! I like that Duca. Dorina falls for asshat, but Dory loves LC!
Thank you Zeenat :D I just hope I haven't inadvertently uncovered one of KC's future plot points! Wouldn't it be hilarious if I did?
Lannister wrote: "Honestly, once you go GRRM you can't go back! :)If someone doesn't die in a series, it doesn't feel completely authentic to me any more. KC did kill off Mac in book two, and his death was heroic ..."
Just for this comment, I hope Marlowe dies. Harrumph.
Out of everyone in the series, besides the Consul, Mircea is the most durable character. And he's not on the front lines.
But a Cassie/Pritkin/Mircea triangle would be glorious!
Marlowe is exactly the kind of character that KC could kill off. He's major enough to have an emotional impact, but he's not one of the main players. Like Mircea, he's a first level master which should count towards him staying alive, but a whole bunch of powerful masters were killed off in Fury's Kiss so that alone doesn't make him invulnerable. And despite all his power, Mircea has almost died twice already, though I suppose the fact that he's still there does prove his durability somewhat!Third time's the charm!! ;)
I don't think she could kill off Mircea, otherwise you would have to have both the two main characters (Cassie and Dory) mourn for him properly, for at least one book each. To be realistic, they can't be like "oh well moving on now", and no matter what Mircea does (something naughty no doubt!) they would both be distraught. Marlowe on the other hand... >:)
Well, Mircea could be killed right at the end of the series so we're spared books' worth of angst. We could have an epilogue where Cassie attends some sort of wake and she's emotional but walks off hand in hand with Pritkin at the end. And Dory final accepts that her father loved her and that comforts her as she settles down to life with
Also, I will cry buckets and threaten to stop reading the series if Marlowe dies! :)
I would actually be very upset for you Lannister seeing as we all know you have a little bit of a tendre for the Mr Marlowe :PThough he's the type (read: very sneaky) to disappear by dying and turn up later.
I think my lion avatar would need to wear black for a year out of respect. It would be awful! Who would I ship? *traumatised* I like the idea of Marlowe faking his death so he can come back bigger and badder LOL! And yeah, it's exactly the type of thing he would do.
No! There will be no dead Mircea. I don't like this theory.I'm amused that all of our favorite characters eventually end up with a harem.
How about I end up with a harem? Mircea, Pritkin, Marlowe, LC, I'm sure Caleb is good looking too. I can put up with Casanova also. There I have a harem :)
I'll let you keep everyone but Pritkin. Might take Asshat as well, provided he doesn't try and suffocate me with his scary-ass fae powers.
I'd take Marlowe, LC, Asshat & Caedmon. And Anthony too, cos that guy's a party animal who'd be a lot of fun. Oh, and I'll take Dory too just to spice things up a bit!Ray can be on standby to go shopping for condoms.
Lannister wrote: And Anthony too cos that guy's a party animal...Hahaha "Diddled?" Has to be my favourite line in all of Death's Mistress XD
Also I just read the condom shopping scene a few hours ago on my FK reread! It was great because I'd forgotten all about it and it was like reading it for the first time again. One of the positive sides to having the books released once a year I think :D
"Diddled" is a great word. It's one of those things that stuck with me for some reason and I always remembered it afterwards.I like Anthony. I do think he's a schemer and a manipulator like every other vamp (like the way he tried to keep LC with him when he was suspected of murder) but he just seems like so much fun. There's that scene at the Consul's house in Fury's Kiss where Dory walks in on Anthony getting cosy with another vamp. One of the Consul's guards appears and Anthony says to him (paraphrasing) "If you're not leaving immediately I'll assume you want to join in." That makes me laugh so much. Apparently the Consul is quite strait-laced in comparison, so no orgies at her place, then!
What if Anthony is the mastermind behind everything(kinda like the ultimate villain) and he's hiding in plain sight, learning their plans?
Oh, sneaky!! I like that! He certainly showed a darker side with his treatment of LC and he keeps his own Senate very much under his thumb, so he's no whiter-than-white angel.
Anthony did fight the fae during that big fight scene at the Consul's house in Fury's Kiss, BUT, it also said he only brought a few of his people with him, so maybe that was the plan. He'd bring a few masters and make a pretence of defending the Consul, but was sneakily working to undermine her at the same time. And then there was the female senator that he was snuggling up to. I'm blanking on her name right now, but apparently she was very friendly with Geminus up until his demise. The same Geminus that was smuggling illegally from Faerie, so there's possibly a connection to the Fae there. (I can find conspiracies everywhere LOL!)
But, I have to admit, I still like Ming-de for the role of Ultimate Villain.
Yup, me too. There's just something about her that gives me the shivers in a bad way.
Anyway, I know next to nothing about Anthony, especially because I haven't done a Dory re-read since FK came out, and if I found the Cassie books hard to read because of all the action scenes, DM kind of destroyed me, but I do want to do a through re-read before TtS comes out.
Maybe we'll be so enthused with the Cassie re-read/Tempt the Stars release that we'll want to keep going and reread the Dory books too. :)I agree that some of the action scenes aren't always my favourite bits. I wasn't into that scene where they fought the dragon in Hunt the Moon. It just didn't quite grab me. But some of the spartoi fight scenes were OK.
Lannister wrote:Anthony did fight the fae during that big fight scene at the Consul's house in Fury's Kiss, BUT, it also said he only brought a few of his people with him, so maybe that was the plan. He'd bring a few masters and make a pretence of defending the Consul, but was sneakily working to undermine her at the same time. And then there was the female senator that he was snuggling up to. I'm blanking on her name right now, but apparently she was very friendly with Geminus up until his demise. The same Geminus that was smuggling illegally from Faerie, so there's possibly a connection to the Fae there. (I can find conspiracies everywhere LOL!) The female Senator was Halcyone. I like Anthony I hope he doesn't turn out to be the enemy.
Thank you, Michelle! I knew it was something like Hyacinth but I knew that wasn't quite right. :)I don't think Anthony's quite devious enough to be the ultimate enemy. He doesn't seem to have that absolutely ruthless streak in him. Ming-de on the other hand ....
@Lannister I agree with you that Anthony's probably not the Ultimate bad guy, but for different reasons. It's not that Anthony's not ruthless (he kept LC under his thumb, for fuck's sake) but he simply doesn't want to mess up the order of things. As head of the European Senate, Anthony already holds a massive amount of power. LC already stated that everyone agrees with Anthony anyway. So basically he has complete control and Senators that don't argue with him. Why jeopardize that by inciting war? He's got a pretty cushy set up.I'm also not convinced that Ming-de is the big bad. I don't know why, but something about that theory isn't sitting right with me. I can't see any of the consuls trying to fuck with the current order of things, really. They all benefit the most from the current power structure. I could, however, see certain powerful senators supporting the other side of the war in a bid for power.
Claire, about Anthony, I would have agreed with what you've said in the past, but Anthony's no longer in that cushy position. The whole point of him trying to manipulate LC with the murder charge was so that he would remain on the Euro Senate. No one would challenge the European senators (that Anthony picked) because they would simply nominate LC to fight the challenger and no-one wanted that. That's how Anthony kept control for so long.But that's not the situation any more. Anthony lost his gamble and LC's on the American senate. LC explains in Death's Mistress:
“If Anthony loses me, he loses his stranglehold on the Senate. There would be at least five senators challenged almost immediately. Anthony has been able to promote his allies for hundreds of years, without concern for their fighting abilities, because he knew they should never need to utilize them.”I think there will be lots of upheaval starting very soon in the European Senate unless Anthony manages to find himself another Enforcer almost as skilled as LC and completely loyal to him and I wouldn't bet on that. But Anthony might be able to use a war as an excuse to postpone challenges for the time being.
So whilst I do still agree that I don't think Anthony is the Big Bad, he won't have complete control in Europe for much longer and he knows it. How desperate he gets to retain control though, who knows?
Lannister wrote: "It makes you wonder if the other vamps would even accept Cassie if he were to pop off. I certainly don't recall any mention of him revoking it. You'd think, now that Dory's been accepted into the f..."Something similar to this happened in Night Huntress. The protagonist is a half-human, half-vampire and she was made Master of a whole family (forget the word they used). She called everyone in a meeting and they all wanted to go independent - which they could if they beat her. It took her defeating (butchering) 8-10 ppl with a sword before they got the message. This was when she had some really powerful friends - though she chose t fight her own battle.
I do not think Mircea's family will be any nicer.
On the Consuls - I do think that Anthony is really smart and extremely powerful but it does not benefit him to start a war. The war started in North America so when they are working together, Snakey gets to lead. He would not have planned things this way. Also, before LC left, he had things really well sorted. He would not want to change anything.
I am sure someone is helping from this side - could be Mind De. After all she was trying to put a lot of her ppl into the North American Senate. At the same time, the above reasoning applies to her too.
Maybe it will be someone innocuous - like not a Consul but someone who wants to change the power structure and come out on top.
Exactly! I can't see any of the Consuls risking their positions. But I could see a disgruntled, slightly less powerful, figure instigating the trouble. Like how Geminus was a total douche. Also, it's very hard to type and get cat hair off my face at the same time. I love my cat, but I wish more of her fur would stay on her body.
why haven't Dory and Cassie meet? I think they did in Fury's Kiss when Mirccea was in a healing trance, Dory was with him, and a girl walked who Dory dismissed- Dory thought the girl was there to feed Mircea and dismissed her. I know Cassie has a back bone, but what if???Why doesn't Dory know about Cassie and vice versa?
and Lannister - I agree no Ethan Sullivan route!!
Marsha wrote: "why haven't Dory and Cassie meet? I think they did in Fury's Kiss when Mirccea was in a healing trance, Dory was with him, and a girl walked who Dory dismissed- Dory thought the girl was there to f..."They don't know about each other because their lives are totally separate. They live thousands of miles apart and the only person they know in common is a sneaky bastard.
ClaireHow did Dory end up somewhere else after that girl was in Mercea's room?
Because Cassie shifted her, which is why we can safely assume Dory and Cassie have officially met :)
Marsha wrote: "ClaireHow did Dory end up somewhere else after that girl was in Mercea's room?"
What Josie said. Cassie shifted Dory to the cow pasture after Dory dismissed her. Dory just assumed she was some crazy witch.
Claire wrote: "They don't know about each other because their lives are totally separate. They live thousands of miles apart and the only person they know in common is a sneaky bastard. "I nearly broke something from laughing at this comment! Well said, Claire!! :D
Thanks, Lannister! I try to call it like I see it =pGosh I can't wait to see what Dory thinks about Cassie. After all, when Dory asks Radu about Gunther, she says, " 'Du, you're not falling for a human, are you? You know how tacky that is."
Mircea's gonna catch hell from both of them!
LOL! I hadn't thought of that. Though I don't know if Cassie's quite human, but then we don't know that she's immortal either. It would be so funny if Dory made some comment like that.Cassie and Gunther can sit in the corner and bitch together.
I think it'll be interesting to see how Dory will treat their relationship- I think she's one of the few people who will give her honest opinion on it, e.g Marco prefers not to comment, and others who know Mircea aren't exactly going to put it like it is. If she genuinely thinks Cassie's just another of Mircea's pawns, she'll say as much. Alternatively, if we see Cassie / Mircea interactions from Dory's point of view, she might notice that Mircea's feelings for Cassie are more than that. Finally, some insight into their relationship from an honest party.
Yeah, that's an excellent point Lia. Dory can sniff Mircea's bullshit from a hundred paces and if she likes Cassie I don't think she'd want her to be hurt. Or we can marvel at Dory's amazement that Pops has feelings!
Cassie does seem to throw Mircea off his game with alarming frequency. I can't wait to see what Dory will think of her normally perfectly composed father being all discombobulated.
Hehe discombobulated Mircea is always fun. It's time HE got some rat in his hair lol!
Ooooh Lia, I like that. Now I definitely want to see Dory's POV of Missie...
It would be funny for Dory to see how Cassie reacts around LC, too.
So new theory: Agnes knew about Cassie's parents and encouraged it.Reasons why: Before the party in HtM, Agnes had the run it with Cassie and the mage back during Guy Fawkes Day. She captured the mage. and brought him back right? sooooo..... Maybe that was the meeting/union with her chosen heir? Maybe Because of everything Cassie said, Agnes had given her blessing to her parents to run off together and THAT'S why no one knew they were missing for a long time...
What do you guys think?
Ohhhhh I like this new theory. Though...the only thing is...unless Agnes had a vision...that means she'd have to train a new heir, and she was already getting up there in the years when Artemis was her heir, I think that unless she had a vision (DEFINITE possibility) she would not have been quite so encouraging since she would not want to have to train a new heir at her *ahem* advanced age.
Didn't Agnes say she'd had a vision about Cassie when Cassie first inherited the power? Agnes might have been economical with the truth here and her 'vision' involved actually meeting Cassie in the past.Oh man, this time travel stuff is complicated!
Zeenat, I had wondered before if Agnes capturing Roger Palmer was when he and Artemis supposedly 'met' for the first time. And I could understand Agnes blessing it because she had a better understanding of what was going to happen in the future, thanks to the Parliament scene. But, I started my re-read of Hunt the Moon tonight and now I'm confused.
I guess Cassie changed time by going to the party, because presumably Artemis and Roger Palmer wouldn't have run off if Cassie hadn't been there (or, at least, they wouldn't have run off until a few months later.) Does this mean everyone's experiencing the timeline after Cassie changed it (whereby Artemis DID run off at the party)? I think I've confused myself by wondering if Mircea's sources were somehow correct too, that nothing happened that night. Because nothing would have happened if Cassie hadn't shown up ....
Did I mention that I hate this time travel stuff! :)
Well didn't Mircea's sources get it wrong because it was assumed the Pythian court and Circle kept it a secret for awhile. So maybe that assumption is with the time change, or it was this way all along. I mean how much time change is "how it's supposed to be' and how much "changed because of interference"?Aileen--Agnes had the "vision" or, as Lannister said, Cassie and Agnes met back when she was trying to catch Roger Palmer. So who knows?
Hate to cut in the middle here, but I have a new theory...ish. I have absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever, it was just an idea that occurred to me right now. We said Mircea wasn't visiting Pythias to find Cassie, cause the run in with the shoe thing happened once Mircea had joined the senate, not before hand. There's the possibility that the meeting between Cassie and Mircea that prompts him to go searching for her in the line of Pythias hasn't happened yet- By that I mean that in a future book, Cassie will go back to a point before this for whatever reason, and whatever occurs will make Mircea search for her in the Pythia line in the future.
The issue I suppose is that again, this is operating under the assumption that the time line we are seeing has already been changed. It's also operating under the assumption that this Pythia hunt is Cassie related which for me personally may be giving Missie a little too much credit! :P
