* Week 4 -- September 2 - 8. Read from “My God, I see it!” p. 242, until Chapter 5 “Research” (Forschungen) p. 318

[Kalliope]

And now for the pedantic comment to this section:

In the dialogue between the doctor and HC about Behrens engaging in painting as well, the doctor says:

"Anch'io sonno pittore", as the Spaniard liked to say. (..., wie jener Spanier zu sagen plegte.)

I found this strange because Mann had spent a fair amount of time in Italy, so I do not understand why he ascribes a quote in Italian, language he must have been familiar with, to a Spaniard.

The quote is attributed to Correggio, an Italian painter also.

[Karen·]

Kalliope wrote: "And now for the pedantic comment to this section:"

I took this as a feeble attempt at humour. Settembrini would make that kind of lame joke.

[Kalliope]

·Karen· wrote: "
I took this as a feeble attempt at humour. Settembrini would make that kind of lame joke."

Yes, may be trying to ridicule Behrens?, because as I said, even if he was not fluent, Mann must have been familiar enough with Italian.

[Suzanne]

Kris wrote: "Lily wrote: "Kris wrote: "I have a PDF of the Woods translation. If you or anyone would like a copy, just PM me your email address."

Kris, is it at a web address where we can access it?"

A friend..."

[Suzanne]

I downloaded to my ipad, no problem except I can't figure out how to book mark it. I'm on p 120. The only way to get to 120 is to advance 120 times. If I stop at 140, then I have to start at p1 again. I guess Mann or HC would have something to say about the value of the book and the time put into it, but, thanks. I may have to stick to the book, book,because I don't know how much time I have.

[Kris]

Suzanne, I'll play around on my iPad later and see whether I can figure it out. I have been using the search function to move around the document, since I'm still reading the hardcover primarily.

[Kris]

BTW Suzanne, what program are you using on your iPad to read the PDF?

[Suzanne]

I don't know. I just clicked on the link and it downloaded.

[Lily]

Is the Kindle app available for iPADs? It can be used to read PDF's on PC's. One can highlight and enter notes as well as search and bookmark.

[Kris]

Lily wrote: "Is the Kindle app available for iPADs? It can be used to read PDF's on PC's. One can highlight and enter notes as well as search and bookmark."

It is, and it does keep track of which page you are on, you can bookmark, etc. Same is true for the Nook app, as well as for some of the PDF readers I have.

Suzanne, you may want to download the Kindle app at http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html... and see if that works better for you. I know that when I download a PDF, I get prompted to specify which app I want to use to open the document. You may get the same prompt if you download another app to read the PDF.

[Suzanne]

I do have the kindle app. I tried pming you, but it said I you are not accepting messages. Would you mind posting the Magic Mountain PDF again or messaging me. I would really prefer to read this on my ipad or kindle because of the weight of the book. Thank you.

[Kris]

Suzanne wrote: "I do have the kindle app. I tried pming you, but it said I you are not accepting messages. Would you mind posting the Magic Mountain PDF again or messaging me. I would really prefer to read this..."

Oh yes, that's right-- I was inundated with spam, so I changed that PM setting. Sorry about that, Suzanne. You should still be able to download at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByRda... Let me know if it doesn't work for you.

[Suzanne]

I'm now able to save the page, but I can't make notes. I'm really unskilled on tablets. At least I can now read on the ipad. Thanks. It's a load off my hand.

[Elizabeth]

Re all the comments on the constant use of "Hans Castorp" rather than "Hans." Think about he and Joachim--though obviously good friends--are uncomfortable with calling one another by first names.
And now that I think about it, it has a kind of regal ring (Mann calls Joachim Joachim, and Settembrini is sometimes "Herr" and sometimes just plain "Settembrini." )

[Lily]

Elizabeth wrote: "Re all the comments on the constant use of "Hans Castorp" rather than "Hans." . ..."

"Castorp" keeps all the allusions to the twins Castor and Pollux, with the overtones of mortality and immortality and of divine patronage of sailors, before the reader in a way that dropping that final name would not do.

[Kalliope]

Elizabeth wrote: "Re all the comments on the constant use of "Hans Castorp" rather than "Hans." Think about he and Joachim--though obviously good friends--are uncomfortable with calling one another by first names. ..."

Elizabeth, good to see you here too...!!..

[Lisa]

I noticed the eugenics allusion too. Didn't Mann change his views about this over the course of writing the novel? Or was that about something else.
Lisa (catching up)

[Elizabeth]

OK, someone help me. Where/what is the eugenics allusion?

[Lisa]

Elizabeth wrote: "OK, someone help me. Where/what is the eugenics allusion?" See message 16: "the League for the Organization of Progress mentioned by Settembrini in "Humaniora" seems to be engaged in eugenics. Chilling considering where such developments would lead during World War II".
Mann was apparently pro eugenics, (as many people were before WW2 before it was discredited), but he changed his stance later on (as many people did, when they saw what eugenics had led to).

[Fionnuala]

Kalliope wrote: "Here is Jonas Kaufmann singing "La fleur que tu m'avais jetée".

May be they'll play that aria from "Carmen": Through every long and lonely hour, in prison there I kept your flower". "

I'm at the part page 771 where Hans Castorp is listening enthralled to Carmen and I wondered if I could find the exact track - google took me straight to your comment, Kall!
So Carmen was mentioned in this section too - that is so interesting - I had completely forgotten.