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Did the ending underwhelm you gals? What do you think would have made it better if so? (I've read on in this series and found that this author sidesteps action scenes.)I would have loved an actual blow-by-blow epic battle between Mor'ded, Dominic, AND Cassandra.
Did you have a great birthday?
Do you think Dominic and Cassandra made the right decision at the end by using deception? If not, what would you have done?
On an upcoming pick, could you choose a VFan book on the month that it first comes out? It might be fun to read a book that's brand-new to everyone, and to do it in sync with the rest of the author's readership.
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Also, a bit about the Georgian era (1714-1837):
- Called the Georgian era because the rulers were George I, II, III, and IV. The king in this story is George I.
- The Regency period (1811-1820) falls in the Georgian era. It refers to the period when George III went insane but was still legally king, so his son (later George IV) ruled as his regent.
- George I was the first king of England from the House of Hanover; he was a distant cousin and a middle-aged man from Germany who basically never expected to become King of England, which is why in the book he has a thick German accent.
- George I was famous for having two ugly mistresses, one very thin (called "The Maypole") and one very fat (dubbed "The Elephant and Castle", also the name of many pubs). These are evidently the two women Dominic finds him with when invading Dewhame.
- The Georgian era was followed by the Victorian era (1837-1901), Victoria being the niece of George IV. If the Victorian era is known for sexual guilt and repression, the Georgian era was all about bawdiness and a huge uptick in out-of-wedlock pregnancy.
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EDIT: "All ears!" (clapping) Oh please, let the ladies be wearing elf ears in the chat!
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Also, a bit about the Georgian era (1714-1837):
- Called the Georgian era because the rulers were George I, II, III, and IV. The king in this story is George I.
- The Regency period (1811-1820) falls in the Georgian era. It refers to the period when George III went insane but was still legally king, so his son (later George IV) ruled as his regent.
- George I was the first king of England from the House of Hanover; he was a distant cousin and a middle-aged man from Germany who basically never expected to become King of England, which is why in the book he has a thick German accent.
- George I was famous for having two ugly mistresses, one very thin (called "The Maypole") and one very fat (dubbed "The Elephant and Castle", also the name of many pubs). These are evidently the two women Dominic finds him with when invading Dewhame.
- The Georgian era was followed by the Victorian era (1837-1901), Victoria being the niece of George IV. If the Victorian era is known for sexual guilt and repression, the Georgian era was all about bawdiness and a huge uptick in out-of-wedlock pregnancy.
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EDIT: "All ears!" (clapping) Oh please, let the ladies be wearing elf ears in the chat!
In the blurb for he lord of the fading lands we read 'he scorched the land' , anyone had a reminescence of scorching jets from last month's pick?The backstory for the fire lord's lover seemed rushed and simplified, too many plot-holes and stuff that had no impact on the stort, wouldn't it be bether if the whole backstory and historical background were just mentioned and the book focused on the bitter-sweet relationship between Dominic (daddy issues pretty much) and Cass (where all her religiousity comes from?) ?
And all this fire magic/ death dance we get introduced to... why it's never used when it would be logical to expect it?
What Elven power do you wish you had and why?Did you especially like the different district themes? Would you have rather seen it set in a different one?
When Dominic was described entering on Page 4 it said "The lustful gazes of women--and more than a few men--followed his every movement." I was bummed that there were no other gay snippets or subplots in the book. Did anyone else catch this bit? What did you think about including it at all if it wasn't mentioned again?
Foreshadowing in the alt pick: done right or overdone?
What was with her decorating sense? Didn't that show a lack of consideration -- to cover his rooms with doo-dads and knickknacks? I guess it bothered me because I felt their relationship wasn't really supported -- they loved each other because why? Good sex? Because there was no plot if they didn't? Did she give up anything for him? He changed radically for her, she made promises but I don't remember her actually having to keep them.
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I was thinking, in celebration of the defeat of DOMA, perhaps next month's theme should be same-sex relationships. We could have a homosexual main and a lesbian alt, or vice versa. It is a theme that this group has not explored, it would be great promotion of some really fabulous authors, and I am sure will create some interesting discussion on the forum. If people are squeamish about explicit homosexual content we could choose romance over sexy-times.Author suggestion: My personal favorite is Hayden Thorne. She is technically classified as young adult, but do not let that dissuade you. Her writing quality is stellar and has a mastery of creating fully realized worlds. Thorne has everything from historical drama, ghost stories, fairy tales and fairy tale retellings, a satirical vampire series, and great series about superheroes. There are lots of options.
Great idea! I second the suggestion above.
Could you give us an idea which cons you might all be at? Will the be any Vaginal Fantasy panels this summer?
THere is a panel at VidCon I think.
which would you prefer - flaming a guy to death or sexy times dancing a guy to death ?!! Me personally I'd have to flame - love elemental powers love em!
which other type of elven power would you have and why ?
One thing that I thought was perhaps a little fuzzy was how Cassandra was picked to be Dominic's bride. Since Dominic held such a position of power, I thought that his bride would have to be someone pretty spectacular. Did I miss something? The only real qualification that she possessed that I can think of was that she was virgin. Maybe the choice of Cassandra for Dominic's bride could be clarified a little better or discussed.
Alexa wrote: "One thing that I thought was perhaps a little fuzzy was how Cassandra was picked to be Dominic's bride. Since Dominic held such a position of power, I thought that his bride would have to be someon..."Good point. I had just assumed that she was chosen when she was really young and groomed especially for Dom - which is why the Resistance was able to gain access (A Sure thing). It would make sense that she would have been from a family with a power or at least a powerful name.
Alexa wrote: "One thing that I thought was perhaps a little fuzzy was how Cassandra was picked to be Dominic's bride. Since Dominic held such a position of power, I thought that his bride would have to be someon..."Dominic might've been important, but the one arranging the whole thing didn't give a dime about him, so any bride would go as long as she'd keep him busy from plotting
And what's with the abbreviation? Cassandra is not a too-long name
Kamil wrote: "And what's with the abbreviation? Cassandra is not a too-long name"haha. Yes. Especially for me since I have a friend who is a guy with "Cass" as his name. Totally threw me off for a while.
Alexa wrote: "One thing that I thought was perhaps a little fuzzy was how Cassandra was picked to be Dominic's bride. Since Dominic held such a position of power, I thought that his bride would have to be someon..."Her father is a duke, so she presumably has some sort of royal linage to recommend her as a potential bride. I imagine that there aren't too many suitable noble kids left after Mor'ded does his thing. Her father isn't much of a duke (or much of a father) though, if he lets her be married off without being educated at all in the ways of the court, of marriage, etc.
Alexa's right though - why her? How much should a VF couple bring to the relationship before you think there's a reason for them to be together? Dominic's looks are the only reason she falls for him and he falls for her because... she's a virgin? She has a magic love-inspiring vagina? She's convenient? She's certainly not been trained to make decent conversation or be interesting in any way aside from being prepped for her So You Think You Can Dance audition. I don't get any sense of why they fall for each other, other than a light dose of Stockholm Syndrome. Do you buy that characters can fall in love based on their insta-lust?
Was anybody else thrown by all the G-d talk in the second half? I felt like we went from lots of smutty sex to Cassandra remembering that she grew up in a covenant and that G-d would fix everything. It was just weird since she never talked about religion or her beliefs in the beginning.
Plus, she was planning on breaking a commandment by killing Mor'ded, so....it was just a little off to me.
Jaime the Wizzard wrote: "Was anybody else thrown by all the G-d talk in the second half? I felt like we went from lots of smutty sex to Cassandra remembering that she grew up in a covenant and that G-d would fix everythi..."
In my head I placed the whole of England in an alternate universe and created a different Religion for Cassandra to follow - other than *our* Catholicism - Something similar. I did find the shift from sex to the big G annoying, but not odd. She was totally thrown off her rocker when she fell for Dominic and in the second half she was coming back to her roots -- marrying her new love with her original life goals/purpose.
I was mostly annoyed at how easy the end was. It was predictable in the defeat - And I was surprised by the choices they made for the cover up. I never pictured Dom and Mor to look THAT similar and I was forced to recast them in my head.
Did any of the ladies feel that the ending was anticlimatic* or way too quick and easy? The relationship issues were so obviously the central point of the book that I felt the entire situation with the villain became less significant. Would you agree? *Double entendre noted. :)
I'm eager to see if any of the ladies lemmed it like I did. >.< I'm not proud of it but it happened, or didn't I guess. :/ Anyone want to message me the end? I read about 50% of the book before I had to put it down.
I have two questions one I'm currently writing a book I have been wondering when I am done is there anyway to send it to all you to see if you want to read that second question is do you prefer books written by men or women in vaginal fantasy like books. @bryanclarke20 < my twitter
Alexa wrote: "One thing that I thought was perhaps a little fuzzy was how Cassandra was picked to be Dominic's bride. Since Dominic held such a position of power, I thought that his bride would have to be someon..."Personally, I assumed Mor'ded picked a brood mare in Cassandra. She was picked for her magical ability and the possibility to produce a good champion to replace Dominic. I don't think he considered any other criteria then which daughter of a high ranking noble has the best chance of birthing a powerful champion for him.
I would like to second the first comment on here; were you guys underwhelmed by the ending of The Fire Lords Lover. Even in the alt pick I found the ending a bit...meh. As much as I now want to read the next books of both I still feel like the endings of both books were let downs.
Does poor writing turn you off a book if you encounter it or do you read it more for the idea of the book rather than the writing style?
The main took lame endings to a new level... With previous selections we've encountered a "it gets better at the end/in the next book so you have to endure it" mindset, so I want to know if the opposite applies. Are you willing to say that the end ruined the book so badly that you regret reading it or are deducting rating stars for lameness? (Not an ending you don't agree with, but an actual display of stupid writing choices like this was). (Although, let's face it, this month's books are FULL of stupid. And pyromaniacs.)
Alex wrote: "Does poor writing turn you off a book if you encounter it or do you read it more for the idea of the book rather than the writing style?"I'm absolutely turned off by bad writing. I can slog through if I have the drive. If I can understand the style of bad writing then it's not so bad. These books are not meant to be Shakespeare - so I give a lot of leeway. While the main was a fairly easy read the Alt book is quite a bit harder for me to get through and I won't be done with it by tonight.
So for me the book took me SEVERAL chapters before I was really into it. my question isn't really about this book per-say but more of in general. Have you guys ever just put a book down and stopped reading it because it just did not grab you?
Mirandia wrote: "So for me the book took me SEVERAL chapters before I was really into it. my question isn't really about this book per-say but more of in general. Have you guys ever just put a book down and stopped..."Absolutely.
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That's like asking if you'd rather listen to a good singer do a bad song or a bad singer ruin a good one. All the good things that a book may have going for it are lost if you are distracted by bad prose. That is if you can stomach to finish it at all.
Mirandia wrote: "So for me the book took me SEVERAL chapters before I was really into it. my question isn't really about this book per-say but more of in general. Have you guys ever just put a book down and stopped..."
Not often, but it happens.
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Sean wrote: "Both heroines seem to accept it as a matter of course. Wouldn't it be more interesting if they fought against the status quo?"Yes. Please. Such huge anti-woman sentiments is a huge turn off.
Alex wrote: "Does poor writing turn you off a book if you encounter it or do you read it more for the idea of the book rather than the writing style?"I need both, but it is hard to fall in love with an original concept if the prose is poor. This does not mean everything has to be Shakespeare. I loved the flowery, dense prose in Kushiel's Dart and I also loved the modern, pop style of Daughter of Smoke and Bone. Both suited the setting and main character and helped create a full-fledged world.
You can have the most wonderfully, original ideas, but without the proper execution, it will fall flat.
Mirandia wrote: "So for me the book took me SEVERAL chapters before I was really into it. my question isn't really about this book per-say but more of in general. Have you guys ever just put a book down and stopped..."I had to put down Kazuo Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go not because it did not grab me, because it did, I was captivated. What happened was there was a death in my family while I was reading and they weighty subject material was a bit too much. I could not pick the book up for a good four or six weeks.
I have tried reading other books and just found it was not the right time. I always have a large que and sometimes I will read a chapter of two or three books till I find the one that best fits my mood. Sometimes I get weary after reading a 900-paged behemoth and need to choose something quicker and lighter. Sometimes, I need to pick a comedy or a series of short stories. It all depends.
I second Alex's question.AND:
Did you feel the magic in this world was cheapened by the fact that FIRE magic could basically do EVERYTHING? Seriously... Healing fire, calming fire, lighting (okay), pain in the mind Black fire...?
Some of the other lesser magic abilities in this world were far more interesting, like Gwen's "find anything" ability. I would have enjoyed seeing more of those. Would you ladies? If so, which esoteric magic power would you have/want to have?
So what did you guys think of the Fey "porn" that the Tairen Soul showed his truemate (I've already forgotten all the names). I found it kind of creepy and not at all erotic.
Laurie wrote: "So what did you guys think of the Fey "porn" that the Tairen Soul showed his truemate (I've already forgotten all the names). I found it kind of creepy and not at all erotic."I am with you Laurie, I tried to partly block that out. It creeped me out as well. Maybe some people liked it though!
Christine wrote: "Did you feel the magic in this world was cheapened by the fact that FIRE magic could basically do EVERYTHING? Seriously... Healing fire, calming fire, lighting (oka..."Eergh! Yes! This is such a lazy way to do things (I have the same issue with how the 11th Doctor's sonic screwdriver can now do absolutely anything he wants to move the plot forward).
(Um, didn't the Sonic Screwdrivers pretty much always do that? Like, Tennant's worked on all electronics (hacking), and opening doors, and de-welding via vibrations, and more...)
