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So, What's On the Bedside Table these Days? -- Part 2
I like older obscure books too-books that I find at university used book sales for the most part.


The Wikipedia article on this subject is quite good:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North...
“The Northern or Northwestern is a genre in various arts that tell stories set primarily in the late 19th or early 20th century in the north of North America, primarily in western Canada but also in Alaska. It is similar to the Western genre, but many elements are different, as appropriate to its setting. It is common for the central character to be a Mountie instead of a cowboy or sheriff. Other common characters include fur trappers and traders, lumberjacks, prospectors, First Nations people, settlers, and townsfolk.”
Some authors that are associated with this genre are Jack London, Rex Beach, Robert Service, Ralph Connor, and James Oliver Curwood. I am reading Beach’s The Spoilers at the moment, famously filmed five times (1914, 1923, 1930, 1942, 1955), the highlight always being an epic fist-fight towards the climax. The novel is rousing good fun, based on an actual incident of corruption during the Yukon Gold Rush * , which Beach had witnessed first-hand.
* The key malfeasor was Alexander McKenzie (1851-1922), whom I encountered in my recent reading in North Dakota history. A very nasty guy and machine politician who served prison time for corruption. He conspired, in collaboration with officials he helped place in office, to cheat Alaska gold miners of their winnings by fraudulently claiming title to their mines.
As a Canadian, I've read a lot of Connor and Service. I discovered that I liked Jack London after joining goodreads.

Patrick wrote: "Midway through Emilia Pardo Bazán’s brilliant 1886 novel The House of Ulloa, a member of the decayed Galician landed gentry and his new bride visit an even grander and more decrepit..."
You just have to learn Spanish! (ha, ha) Out of curiosity I looked at a couple of used books sites and Spanish copies are very affordable.
You just have to learn Spanish! (ha, ha) Out of curiosity I looked at a couple of used books sites and Spanish copies are very affordable.

Por ejemplo, the first paragraph of La madre naturaleza (copied from Scribd):
“Las nubes, amontonadas y de un gris amoratado, como de tinta desleída, fueron juntándose, juntándose, sin duda a cónclave, en las alturas del cielo, deliberando si se desharían o no se desharían en chubasco. Resueltas finalmente a lo primero, empezaron por soltar goterones anchos, gruesos, legítima lluvia de estío, que doblaba las puntas de las yerbas y resonaba estrepitosamente en los zarzales; luego se apresuraron a porfía, multiplicaron sus esfuerzos, se derritieron en rápidos y oblicuos hilos de agua, empapando la tierra, inundando los matorrales, sumergiendo la vegetación menuda, colándose como podían al través de la copa de los árboles para escurrir después tronco abajo, a manera de raudales de lágrimas por un semblante rugoso y moreno.”
OMG, that second sentence! I get plenty of the WORDS, but I would have to work on it for a while to get the total SENSE. It’s about the landscape, and it looks like beautiful, subtle writing, so maybe I’ll give it a go just for fun… 🙂

it is ... but even the very best author's vocabulary is not endless. So usually it gets easier the further on you read. I did work my way through Marquez and Vargas Llosa, and tedious it was ... what with no more than a year of formal Spanish training. (but I can draw on French and Italian, which helps)

I was joking about learning Spanish but now I see that you do know it and even live in Mexico! However, I know what you mean about literary work being a whole different challenge, and I see this author likes complex and poetic sentences. I have studied several languages but the only one I can actually read in now is French. I find classics easier sometimes than modern works full of slang which I don't know.


https://www.onlinebibliotheek.nl/cata...
I am reading The House Behind the Cedars, written in 1900, about a brother and sister moving to another state and passing as white. It takes place not long after the Civil War, and there is a lot about the Southern attitude in the aftermath of the war and Reconstruction.
I have been enjoying revisiting some authors and exploring some new authors this summer. Revisiting George Eliot, Thomas Hardy, and Henry James, while also exploring Emile Zola's 20 volumes of the Rougon-Macquart series (I've gotten through the first two books). I plan to join all of you in the The Brothers Karamazov group read too, as that will be new to me.
My wife and I headed off to southern Italy for nearly the whole month of September, and I am starting to think about what's going in the book bag with me. Definitely going to include 1-2 Zola novels, probably Eliot's Daniel Deronda (a re-read), and we'll see what else, maybe some Virginia Woolf . . .
My wife and I headed off to southern Italy for nearly the whole month of September, and I am starting to think about what's going in the book bag with me. Definitely going to include 1-2 Zola novels, probably Eliot's Daniel Deronda (a re-read), and we'll see what else, maybe some Virginia Woolf . . .
I’m reading a popular fiction book about Margaret Fuller, as well as the Wilkie Collins book. I, too, plan on reading The Brothers Karamazov. I have a beautiful antique copy that has been on my shelf a long time. It will be a first read for me too.
We travel a lot. Even though I have a kindle, I always pack 3 or more print books. I call them my security books. One of my favorite Virginia Woolf’s is Orlando.
We travel a lot. Even though I have a kindle, I always pack 3 or more print books. I call them my security books. One of my favorite Virginia Woolf’s is Orlando.
Deborah wrote: "I’m reading a popular fiction book about Margaret Fuller, as well as the Wilkie Collins book. I, too, plan on reading The Brothers Karamazov. I have a beautiful antique copy that has been on my she..."
Thanks for the tip about Woolf's Orlando, as I have it but have not yet read it.
Thanks for the tip about Woolf's Orlando, as I have it but have not yet read it.
Deborah wrote: "I’m reading a popular fiction book about Margaret Fuller, as well as the Wilkie Collins book. I, too, plan on reading The Brothers Karamazov. I have a beautiful antique copy that has been on my she..."
I have a Kindle too, but, like you, I'd never go abroad for three+ weeks without a back-up plan ;-)
I have a Kindle too, but, like you, I'd never go abroad for three+ weeks without a back-up plan ;-)
Rosemarie wrote: "I'm reading The Innocents Abroad, Or, the New Pilgrims' Progress by Mark Twain."
Good Heavens! It has been ages since I read that. I haven't revisited Twain in forever.
Good Heavens! It has been ages since I read that. I haven't revisited Twain in forever.
Deborah wrote: "I’m reading a popular fiction book about Margaret Fuller, as well as the Wilkie Collins book. I, too, plan on reading The Brothers Karamazov. I have a beautiful antique copy that has been on my she..."
I have Finding Margaret Fuller. She is the historical figure who got me started on my current gig of speaking about lesser-known historical women. I actually dressed up as her and used a lot of her own words for the presentation. I forgot about that book, which I haven't yet read, so thanks for the reminder.
I have Finding Margaret Fuller. She is the historical figure who got me started on my current gig of speaking about lesser-known historical women. I actually dressed up as her and used a lot of her own words for the presentation. I forgot about that book, which I haven't yet read, so thanks for the reminder.
Robin P wrote: "Deborah wrote: "I’m reading a popular fiction book about Margaret Fuller, as well as the Wilkie Collins book. I, too, plan on reading The Brothers Karamazov. I have a beautiful antique copy that ha..."
That’s exactly what I was reading.
That’s exactly what I was reading.


Amen to that and I think House of Mirth is one of her best!
Marlene wrote: "Curiously, it was YOUR review of Vanity Fair which immediately bumped that to the top of my reading list rather than the usual escapist fun reading I've been indulging in for a while. I went throug..."
I am currently reading Twilight Sleep, the rare Wharton which is satirical. The characters from 100 years ago could be living today - the society lady who spends all her time on self-improvement and being a do-gooder. The new fads include meditation and psychoanalysis My favorite Wharton is also humorous - The Glimpses of the Moon.
I am currently reading Twilight Sleep, the rare Wharton which is satirical. The characters from 100 years ago could be living today - the society lady who spends all her time on self-improvement and being a do-gooder. The new fads include meditation and psychoanalysis My favorite Wharton is also humorous - The Glimpses of the Moon.

One’s chances of seeing even Shaw’s most famous plays in adequate stage productions these days is slight. Heartbreak House, for example, requires 10 top-notch actors: Not cheap or easy to assemble.
So reading is the way to go, but even among confirmed readers of the classics, plays (outside of Shakespeare) don’t seem to get the attention they merit. It is too bad. Shaw is hardly just dialogue - his stage directions are exquisite and enable one to readily visualize a production.
The same thought occurs to me as I read each of these Shaw plays, and indeed when I read almost ANY classic play: Where would the audience for this be found today? Because the demands on the audience are pretty intense: A rapt level of attention, an intense sensitivity to verbal nuance, a high level of cultural literacy and sophistication, the willingness to work for the art instead of just letting it wash over you.

It took a little digging to determine that it is Abraham Hayward (1801-1884), essayist and bon vivant, who cut quite a figure in Victorian England, and whose Correspondence was published in two volumes, two years after his death. There is a recent (2009), hefty biography by Antony Chessell; it is a little pricey. The Correspondence is at the Internet Archive, so I immediately downloaded the first volume and am enjoying it greatly. It is a whirl of everyone who was anyone in that era – many dimly remembered now, like Hayward himself.
I'm not the only one that gets inspired to read books that are mentioned in other books!
The internet is a good resource for more obscure or hard to find works.
The internet is a good resource for more obscure or hard to find works.

Howells contrasts Durgin with a fastidious older artist, Westover (often taken to be a Howells self-portrait). I can’t say as I’d be friends with either man – Durgin is too shallow and brutish, Westover a passive priss. But their relationship fuels the novel effectively. The settings in rural New Hampshire (where the Durgin family inn is located, hence the book’s title) and urban Boston (especially Harvard, which Jeff uneasily attends) are also tellingly contrasted. A sharp and compelling novel overall. I am a big Howells fan.

That is one that I need to get to. He was very prolific - one of the ways in which he is like Trollope.

However, one dimension of the anti-romanticism that can be mentioned is the central character Elfride, who is the love focus for four men. Elfride may be pretty, she sure as hell ain’t charming. One reviewer at Goodreads aptly describes her as fickle and vapid, and honestly there can be few characters in all of 19th Century fiction who are THIS annoying.
Hence, although A Pair of Blue Eyes is a fascinating performance, I do have difficulty in seeing WHY all these men are so taken with Elfride. Is prettiness enough? *
* I will admit that as a gay male reader, enchanted love-object descriptions of young women in 19th Century novels often fly right past me unless the women have intelligence and character to match their looks. When they don’t - Elfride here, Hetty Sorrel in Adam Bede, Lorna Doone in the eponymous novel - well let’s just say that those passages are not my focus or my road into the story.

I daresay that the stereotype of male desire then (and still today, among some men) did not include female intelligence and especially not agency, since the male was supposed to have the agency. Of course, there are many heroines in 19th Century fiction who DO have those qualities; I think of Helen Graham in Anne Brontë’s The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, who is intelligent, artistic, mature, beautiful rather than “pretty”, and who has had defining, trying life experiences that have made her self-sufficient, and no one’s shrinking partner. A very appealing human being, in short; it is no wonder to me that Gilbert Markham falls strongly for her. The novel also benefits from her being seen as both object (in Markham’s letters) and subject (in her own diaries); it is even-handed.

Interestingly, both Galt and Kingsley (brother of the more famous Charles) spent time in the colonies, Galt in Canada and Kingsley in Australia (where he set some of his novels). Galt’s son Alexander was one of the key figures in the founding of the Canadian Confederation.

It’s not one of his best known ones, I think. But since I am interested in law, the title appealed to me.
The Entail sounds something like The Master of Ballantrae.
Many Victorian heroines in books by men are frustratingly passive, even given the reality of the times. Dickens has a whole cadre of sweet, young, devoted girls/women, possibly influenced by his love for his sister-in-law and later his very young mistress. Trollope has some of these too. My favorites are the ones with agency. Not surprisingly, many of them are written by women - such as Helen Graham mentioned above, Jane Eyre, and Dorothea Brooke.
Many Victorian heroines in books by men are frustratingly passive, even given the reality of the times. Dickens has a whole cadre of sweet, young, devoted girls/women, possibly influenced by his love for his sister-in-law and later his very young mistress. Trollope has some of these too. My favorites are the ones with agency. Not surprisingly, many of them are written by women - such as Helen Graham mentioned above, Jane Eyre, and Dorothea Brooke.

Many Victorian heroines in books by men are frustratingly passive, even given the reality of the times. Dickens has a whole cadre of swee..."
Absolutely true, although Trollope can go the other way too. In Phineas Finn, which I am reading now, the key women - Laura Kennedy, Violet Effingham, and Madame Max Goesler - are all depicted as decision makers, although sometimes their decisions don’t work out. Female agency is decidedly important in this novel.

The dialogue in such Shaw plays as Heartbreak House has a somewhat Peacockian flavor, too.
Peacock’s writings are an instance where you really need the notes to penetrate a lot of the references. His characters are often barely disguised versions of notable figures such as Coleridge; he has a lot of fun with them.
Renee wrote: "Good to know. Nightmare Abbey is on my TBR list. I just haven’t been in the right mood."
It's funny!
It's funny!
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The historian James Bryce (1838-1922) first published his history of the Holy Roman Empire in 1864, and revised it several times over the coming decades. When I taught World History, of course I could not resist using Voltaire’s quip (“Neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire”); it is the sort of thing that students remember. But there is a lot more to the story, and although this Bryce treatment is demanding, it is not at all musty. Catch this tart comment:
“Men were wont in those days to interpret Scripture in a singular fashion. Not only did it not occur to them to ask what meaning words had to those to whom they were originally addressed; they were quite as careless whether the sense they discovered was one which the language used would naturally and rationally bear to any reader at any time. No analogy was too faint, no allegory too fanciful, to be drawn out of a simple text.”