What do you imagine happened to Durc after Ayla left?

[Tracy]

It's like the author forgot about all that. And it became all about the painted caves, Zelandoni grooming Ayla to be her protege. And about the Gift of Knowledge.

[Jeanne]

Frankly, the author is not a young woman and she did a lot of investigating and travel for her writing. There was this article from right before the release of book 6 http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/a... so we never know what may happen.

[Tracy]

Jeremy wrote: "There were lots of loose threads I expected to be tied. Also, among all the homo sapiens tribes, Jondalar's tribe and their neighbours over the glacier had mixed blood individuals. I expected that ..."

My personal canon/interpretation is that Durc and his mate Ura who was also mixed (if he actually got to mate with her) would have to leave Broud's clan because if they had a child who didn't look completely clan he would order them to get rid of it. And maybe they would end up with the Lion Cave of the Mamutoi.

[[deleted user]]

I love this fan fiction regarding Baby & Durc
https://www.fanfiction.net/book/Earth... THE SCENT OF MAN near the bottom of the page in the link

[Tracy]

Corinne wrote: "I love this fan fiction regarding Baby & Durc
https://www.fanfiction.net/book/Earth... THE SCENT OF MAN near the bottom of the page in the link"

Thanks for recommending that. It was great, I've never read that before.

[[deleted user]]

Your very welcome. Thanks for telling me.

[[deleted user]]

msg 54 Jeanne wrote: "Frankly, the author is not a young woman and she did a lot of investigating and travel for her writing. There was this article from right before the release of book 6 http://www.sfgate.com/entertai..."

Thanks for that link. I like it all but especially last paragraph "...But I do not use the Internet, because I know myself too well. Once I got on the Internet I would get so distracted, I'd be basically giving one of my books to the Internet because I wouldn't be writing. I'd be playing on that machine."

[Irving]

Me gusta pensar que Durc salió en busca de su madre y se creo una nueva historia en un universo alternativo, en el camino aprendió y conoció a muchas personas de los distintos clanes, porque en realidad pertenecía y no pertenecía a los cromañones y neandertales y eso le crea muchas ventajas y dado que las distancias eran muy largas y los asentamientos eran prolongados, Ayla y Durc siempre estuvieron a punto de encontrarse, pero por razones fortuitas nunca fue posible. Las aventuras de Ayla fueron contadas y recordadas y asì Durc nunca olvido a su madre; pasado un tiempo Durc se asentó en un lugar definitivo se apareo con Ura y creo su propio clan.

[[deleted user]]

Tracy wrote: "Thanks for recommending that. It was great, I've never read that before."

The librarians said the fan fic could be added as a "book" so its here if you want to shelf it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...

[Cynthia]

I read all the books for the first time in 2016 and thoroughly enjoyed them. I am a James Michener fan thru and thru and felt Auel's books compared in the detailed historical aspects. I didn't much care for all the "songs" and skipped over them, especially when they kept getting repeated. And Yes, the first 2 books were the best of the series. In fact, I read the 2nd book,The Valley of the Horses, again just a few months ago because I missed Ayla. I don't know how another author could "finish" Auel's books, esp since she didn't intend for us to know anymore.

[Tracy]

Corinne wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Thanks for recommending that. It was great, I've never read that before."

The librarians said the fan fic could be added as a "book" so its here if you want to shelf it. https://www...."

How do you shelf it?

[[deleted user]]

Oh you read it online (see msg 56) but if you want to document that you read it you can just pull the book up (msg 61) and change the green button to READ that will "shelf it".

[Mitchell]

I imagine Durc followed in his namesakes footsteps, and eventually left the Clan once he had his manhood hunt, if Broud even allowed it. There's a fan fiction called Durc by PeterLion, I highly recommend giving it a read. It does a good job of telling the Clan's, and Durc's, story after Ayla was cursed. Although keep in mind that the author likely doesn't speak English as a first language, so there's spelling and grammatical mistakes throughout, and this was written and published before Painted Caves was released, so from the end of the 4th chapter to the end of the story, it's non canon. You can find it here https://m.fanfiction.net/s/3752471/1/ and I'm working on a sequel to it, so if you liked this story, and would like a continuation, I would welcome, and appreciate assistance, whether it be as a proof reader, or collaboration. Best way to let me know you're interested in helping, is to email me at juggalo1991@live.com

[Tracy]

Mitchell wrote: "I imagine Durc followed in his namesakes footsteps, and eventually left the Clan once he had his manhood hunt, if Broud even allowed it. There's a fan fiction called Durc by PeterLion, I highly rec..."

I've read "Durc" by PeterLion and probably several of the fan fictions for that fandom on Fanfiction,net. Also you should check out the fan fiction section on the EC.fans.com message board. One of the best ones I've read on that site is about Durc and it's called "Song of the Grey Wolf" by BarbMc. It has a sequel called "Durc's Quest" which has Durc leaving the clan to find his mother.

[Mitchell]

Ah I see. Can you post a link to the page? I tried copying it and pasting it, but it doesn't work for me :(

[Ann]

This was a bit of fanfic I wrote as an Amazon review on The Land of Painted Caves. Thought y'all would enjoy it!


https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-re...

[Mitchell]

@Tracey can you please provide links to those stories? I cannot seem to find them, and wish to read them

[Tracy]

Mitchell wrote: "@Tracey can you please provide links to those stories? I cannot seem to find them, and wish to read them"

Sorry this took so long. Computer problems. Try the following link:

http://ecfans.com/forums/ubbthreads.p...

Edit: I clicked on the link and it works. But the user has changed her forum name from BarbMc to Cap'n Gramma. But it's the same story. Let me know if it works.

[Mitchell]

Wasn't a fan of Song Of The Grey Wolf, and other than the unexpected relationship between one of Durc's people, and one of the Mamutoi, I haven't really been a fan of Durc's Quest so far. Maybe I would be more a fan of them, if I didn't have to scroll through a few comments to get to the story itself. I think another reason I haven't been a fan, is because from what I've seen so far, granted I'm only on Chap 36 of DQ, but it doesn't seem like the story ends in this book, based in how much further they still have to travel. And I don't see a 3rd story in the authors work, that's related to the other 2, so I'm worried about a rush job, or an incomplete story. When I do decide to get back into it, I hope there is a reunion, and that, unlike in another fanfic I've read about Durc's journey, he doesn't turn around and go back to the Clan.

[Tracy]

Mitchell wrote: "Wasn't a fan of Song Of The Grey Wolf, and other than the unexpected relationship between one of Durc's people, and one of the Mamutoi, I haven't really been a fan of Durc's Quest so far. Maybe I w..."
There was not a third story in her series. That is correct. One of the best current stories on the ECfans.com forum now is Ayla's Clan by Bill S. It is currently on part 4. If you read it, you would have to read the first 3 parts first. But it's no problem because he has the links at the bottom of all of his posts in the signature line. A word of warning, it's very much an alternate universe story. It's a story where Ayla stays with the clan by refusing to acknowledge the death curse that Broud ordered.

[Mitchell]

I know from some of the comments she made, she was planning a 3rd part of the story, and now I'm uncertain if I want to finish DQ. I don't mind AU, pretty much all fan fiction is AU in some respects. I will have to give it a read, if you have any other recommendations, I'd love to hear them :)

[Mitchell]

Preferably fanfiction with reunions, and/or done after Painted Caves was published and we had the time to figure out how awful a series finale it was.

[Hannah]

Gwen wrote: "Jeni wrote: "I think Jean Auel is done. The wiki says: " and the sixth and final installment in the series, The Land of Painted Caves."

I love this series, personally, but you can tell she was tir..."

Same. I was so disappointed in book six. I'll reread the others many times, but I'm never touching that one again.

[Mitchell]

There was an article published a few months after Painted Caves came out, where Auel stated she may not have been done just yet. But considering she's in her 80s and the last book was an unsatisfactory dumpster fire of a read, and a terrible series finale, I seriously hope she doesn't write another book, unless of course the conclusion of the story, atleast as a side plot, is that Ayla no longer has the burden/heavy heart she's carried since she left Durc behind.

[Julia]

I agree with the rest of the world that Painted Caves was terrible and beyond disappointing.

There are many alternative fan fictions which pick up after Shelters of Stone, giving us the satisfying ending we all wanted: a plausible reunion of Ayla and Durc. Here's one I'm currently re-reading:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8663391/...

The writing is passable and the story in line with the earlier works of Auel.

I don't consider Painted Caves to be part of the series. The writing is not at all like the earlier books and the behavior of the main characters is completely unlike their previous personalities. Perhaps Auel was suffering from some age-related issues when it was written... or maybe someone else wrote the book. It doesn't matter to me-- Painted Caves is not part of the series in my mind. Once you read this and other alternative "book sixes", you will probably agree :).

[Glennie]

My guess is that life would not be pleasant for Durc and of course, things didn't end up pleasantly for the Neandertals either, but we do now know there is plenty of Neandertal in many of us modern humans. So maybe people are walking around today with a little bit of 'Durc' in them :) I wish Jean Auel had cleared this up, but here we are.

[qazwiz]

Tamra wrote: "If you read between the lines there will be a show down between Durc and Ayla's new tribe. If I am not mistaken I believe there will be another book coming out in the future. This is by far one of ..."

No, Auel herself spoke of finality - Ayla hearing of Durc's progress while NEVER reuniting (as opposed to NOT reuniting which would leave open a seventh book chance to meet again) thus Durc's clan cannot directly connect with Ayla (future son finding half brother Durc, perhaps?)

[qazwiz]

Tracy wrote: "I had heard for years (based on some interview with Auel) that she would hear of Durc. But she didn't. Unless you count her having a vision of him during her drug (sacred root) trip in the final bo..."
actually that would suffice to allow Ayla to "hear of" without reuniting

I could envision a "NEXT GENERATION" SERIES (books 7-12?) which follows parallel stories of Durc and the son of Ayla and Jondalar
(would she name him with clan 2nd name? Creb maybe?) if called something like "Jon-Creb" ALL the generations after Bear Cave would remember a Mog-ur called Creb allowing all to make the connection to the ghost Ayla

but warning: Durc cannot move as west as "Jon-Creb" so its likely a reverse travel if they join

[Kaitlyn]

Sofiab wrote: "How could they possibly have met??
Even if Durc didn't believe Ayla died from the death curse (which he probably dead) he'd have no way of knowing where Ayla might have gone."

The Clan knows of the Others in the area, many of which have 1) met or have heard of Ayla, and 2) can either teach Durc their language (as he was demonstrated to be capable of it) and/or learned some Clan language from Ayla. Finding a trail of breadcrumbs wouldn't be the hardest part of re-uniting.

I imagine the Clan lived on with Broud as leader and Durc eventually mated Ura. Durc likely picked up a good amount of status through hunting prowess and general likability, but Broud would make a point of condemning any child Ura had as 'deformed.' After a couple instances of this, Durc eventually challenges Broud for leadership and succeeds.

[qazwiz]

not sure what Kaitlyn Sofiab is asking... !?!?
the mythos says Durc has clan memories so as a mixed breed could easily have some sort of others memories that Ayala passed having learned then repressed after initial tragedy.
in this way Durc could possibly understand some simple words though speech could easily be "impossible" without practice with books 1-6 having taken a southern to north and eastern to the west direction, i see additional books retracing trail to find Durc the newest leader having out smarting his adversaries despite his handicap of inferior strength