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Jacob didn't imprint on Bella, but?...
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If Bella chose Jacob and if they were together, does that mean after a while Jacob could have imprinted on someone else? I don't understand this part.
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The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual connection sort of way. A brother, a father, a lover, anything. Which is why the pedo claim is not true.
So, basically, the only attraction Bella ever had towards Jacob was because of the part of the baby thats inside her from the very beginning. This is why when the baby is born and Bella is angry at Jacob for imprinting, he says:
"Remember how you couldn't get away from me two days ago? Thats gone now right? It was her."
So Stephanie's way of saying it is; Bella never liked Jacob that way. That was why she was so confused and kept ditching Jacob and breaking his heart. When Renesmee is finally separated from Bella's body, the connection is no longer there between her and Jacob.
As for imprinting on someone else, I don't think there is a "someone else" or at least it was not brought to the attention through out the books. I believe its like a life mate sort of situation, I don't think he would have imprinted on someone else.
No I mean if Bella chose to be with Jacob instead of Edward before they got married and all that, Renesmee wouldn't have been born, Bella and Jacob would have been lovers. But would Jacob have imprinted on someone else after a while being with Bella, since he didn't imprint on her at first sight...?
Well, seeing as Jacob's imprintee was Nessie, no. He wouldn't have imprinted on anyone else. If Nessie doesn't exist he would never imprint.
That's the thing. Bella would have been the one to have wanted to marry Jacob, but she didn't have enough of a connection to want to be with him so she kept going back to Edward. If Edward did not exist, I cant see it still working out. The way Stephanie Meyer described it, it doesn't sound like there are two people in the world that he could imprint on. Just one. A soul mate. No other. They can't pick, and they cant imprint on anyone.
Yeah, but if they never imprint doesn't mean that they aren't happy. Sam was happy with Leah until he imprinted. They can be in relationships and never imprint.
Bailey wrote: "That's the thing. Bella would have been the one to have wanted to marry Jacob, but she didn't have enough of a connection to want to be with him so she kept going back to Edward. If Edward did no..."
I think it would work out if Edward didn't exist. Jacob is like a substitute lover for Bella I guess lol.
And there's another thing I don't understand... Would it be so bad if the three of them made some kind of a deal? Like Bella having them both. I mean Bella loved both of them at once, and Jacob and Edward didn't really care about this fact. Edward didn't even get mad when Bella kissed Jacob practically in front of him. Why can't Bella have both of them I mean? Like one week with Edward and one week with Jacob, they could've figured something like that out lol. I think it would be more complicated and interesting than Bella having a baby right after they got married...
Jesse wrote: "Yeah, but if they never imprint doesn't mean that they aren't happy. Sam was happy with Leah until he imprinted. They can be in relationships and never imprint."oh that's what I wanted to know. :)
BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And there's another thing I don't understand... Would it be so bad if the three of them made some kind of a deal? Like Bella having them both. I mean Bella loved both of them at once, and Jacob and..."Thats kind of.. Ehhhh.. Would you REALLY want to share your man like that? I wouldn't.. I understand there are people with multiple wives and all of that but I dont think this is a story that needs the fact of multiple wives. I'm not hating against those types of people, personally if you're nice to me, I don't give a crap, but this story in particular is not fitted for that sort of thing.
BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And there's another thing I don't understand... Would it be so bad if the three of them made some kind of a deal? Like Bella having them both. I mean Bella loved both of them at once, and Jacob and..."That's seriously disturbing.
Edward wasn't fine with Bella kissing Jacob. He was controlling his emotions because he wanted her to be happy and have a real choice. He was allowing her the freedom to choose. It would have been a completely different story if she wanted them both forever.
Bailey wrote: "BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And there's another thing I don't understand... Would it be so bad if the three of them made some kind of a deal? Like Bella having them both. I mean Bella loved both of the..."Most of the people who believe in multiple wives, view woman as property, more or less. Notice there are no societies where there are multiple husbands.
Even if that's not the case, it's an extremely unhealthy relationship. Jealousy and rivalry is the norm.
Bailey wrote: "BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And there's another thing I don't understand... Would it be so bad if the three of them made some kind of a deal? Like Bella having them both. I mean Bella loved both of the..."I wouldn't wanna share my man, definitely not. But in their case, I think if Bella offered something like this to them, I somehow think they would have accepted it. lol.
"Edward I love you more but I love Jacob too. And I can't live without you, but I can't live without Jacob either so..."
I think Bella must have had this thought at some point. She just couldn't say it because then she could've lost both of them... maybe?
And one other thing... how can Bella let her father and mother die when she has the power to make them both immortal like herself? If I became a vampire, the first thing I'd do would be change my loved ones. I can't even stand the idea of letting them die while I get to live forever.
BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And one other thing... how can Bella let her father and mother die when she has the power to make them both immortal like herself? If I became a vampire, the first thing I'd do would be change my l..."Most of the Twilight vampires don't see living forever as a vampire as a good thing, though. I wouldn't want to turn my parents or loved ones. Maybe if they already knew and fully understood what I was and expressed that they truly wanted it as much as Bella did in Twilight. But that's a huge maybe as I really do I think that is an incredibly selfish thing to do.
If I were turned, I think I would probably just do what Georgia/Millie of the TV show "Dead Like Me" does. Allow my family to think that I am dead and continue to watch over them from afar. I wouldn't try to find ways to interact with them like she eventually did, though.
Jacob was always destined to imprint on Renesmee. It was the reason why he couldn't leave Bella alone.And no, I don't think he would've imprinted on anyone else.
Tina J wrote: "Jacob was always destined to imprint on Renesmee. It was the reason why he couldn't leave Bella alone.And no, I don't think he would've imprinted on anyone else."
I mean if Renesmee wasn't born and if Bella and Jacob ended up together.
Actually Bella is the one who couldn't leave Jacob alone at first lol
Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual connection sort of way. A brother, a father, a lover, anything. Which..."
No imprinting was a wolf thing and was not a 2 way street meaning Renesmee did not imprint back on Jacob since it was a wolf thing , it just meant that when someone worships you that way how can you not feel strongly for them.
@Zeo232That's the way the author explained it so that's how it is. Lol. It is a strong attraction on both sides because its like soul mates. That's the other part of your soul. She did not say that Renesmee imprinted back she said it was a strong attraction between two people and she was correct.
Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual connection sort of way. A brother, a father, a lover, anything. Which..."
I so liked the way you explained that. :o)
I don't know.. I'll just judge it from what Jacob had with Bella. Sure, Jacob doesn't love.. what's her name now, but further down the road I can definitely see something happening between the two of them.
BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And one other thing... how can Bella let her father and mother die when she has the power to make them both immortal like herself? If I became a vampire, the first thing I'd do would be change my l..."And if they didn't want to? :)
An essential part of love is being able to let go, after all.
Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;
Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual connection sort of way. A brother, a father, a lover, anything. Which is why the pedo claim is not true...."
Then why did he force a kiss on her and claimed that that he did the imprint on her, far as I recall, if it isn't anything sexual? :/
all I can say is that it is a good thing Bella didn't marry Jacob. Instead of having Renesmee she would have had a puppy.
They almost did hook up. Bella had real feelings for Jacob, and Jacob her. Would it have worked out in the long run, no it wouldn't. But if it were to happen, then it happened. I was taking those basics and applying to what I think would happened to Nessie since Jacob had actually imprinted on her.
Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual connection sort of way. A brother, a father, a lover, anything. Which..."
What about before the baby was inside her? Please don' t tell me he' s attracted to an egg, I' m not buying it.
Laura Loves Luna Belle Pris wrote: "Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual connection sort of way. A brother, a father, a lover, ..."
That's pretty much how Meyer explained away Bella and Jacob's attraction to one another.
Olivia wrote: "Jesse wrote: "Laura Loves Luna Belle Pris wrote: "Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a sexual way, but a spiritual con..."
That was in the book, from what I remember. Everyone was chilling and Jacob and Bella were talking about feelings and it came up as an explanation for why Bella no longer had romantic feelings for him.
libellule wrote: "Jesse wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Jesse wrote: "Laura Loves Luna Belle Pris wrote: "Bailey wrote: "The way Stephanie Meyer wrote it is that;Imprinting: A strong attraction from both ends. Not in a se..."
Yea, it is from BD. With the imprinting in this series it is one way but because of their can't-take-no-for-an-answer attitude with pestering their imprintee they eventually fall 'in love' with the imprinter (what Jacob said in the second book)
In all honesty I would've been just fine with Twilight having been the only book with maybe forever dawn being the second book after that.
I don't think so. you can only imprint on one person. if Edward and bella hadn't gotten married and had renesmee(sorry if I spelled her name wrong), Jacob wouldn't have imprinted. so Jacob wouldn't have had the problem of imprinting on somebody else I would think.
He was in love with the part of her that was Reneesme (her half of the DNA that was Reneesme). He was in love with her because of the close connection to the girl who would become his true love. Had Bella chosen him, he would have been happily, blissfully in love, but wouldn't feel quite the same strong connection he feels with Reneesme.
Olivia wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "He was in love with the part of her that was Reneesme (her half of the DNA that was Reneesme). He was in love with her because of the close connection to the girl who would become..."Yes. After Reneesme was gone, his attention turned completely to her and he was no longer in love with Bella because Bella no longer held Reneesme or the material needed for Reneesme. The wolf in him was drawn to her because she held one of the two pieces for Reneesme from the beginning.
Olivia wrote: "but does each one have their on soul mate type of thing, or imprnting type of thing."I think imprinting is just a werewolf thing. But I think Meyer was just trying to explain soul mates in a tangible graspable way because some people don't believe in soulmates (as she may). If you are soulmates, you are made for each other so in the case of Reneesme and Jacob, there is no reason Reneesme will choose otherwise. Although I stand with the belief that a soulmate does not necessarily mean lover--a soulmate can be a brother, father, best friend. So it's not necessarily something tangible on their body or something funky with their heart, it's just a spiritual connection they have not even necessarily because of the wolf thing, but it is helpful that the wolves can feel it when they meet her! :)
if that's what she wants :)
Jacquelyn wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "He was in love with the part of her that was Reneesme (her half of the DNA that was Reneesme). He was in love with her because of the close connection to the girl w..."And why wasn't he, by that proxy, then drawn to Edward, too, who held the other half?
Gerd wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "He was in love with the part of her that was Reneesme (her half of the DNA that was Reneesme). He was in love with her because of the close connec..."Because he is a vampire and werewolves are by nature repulsed and angered by vampires, as vampires are repulsed and angered by werewolves. And in a way, I think he was drawn to him. He hated him with a passion and had he been, oh... Mike or Eric (had either Mike or Eric dated Bella I mean) then Jacob would have laughed it off and waited for Bella to get the point as he did but he waited more aggressively because Edward is one of his natural enemies.
Olivia wrote: "Gerd wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "Olivia wrote: "Jacquelyn wrote: "He was in love with the part of her that was Reneesme (her half of the DNA that was Reneesme). He was in love with her because of the..."Gerd asked that very question and my answer is right above this post here! :3 (Wow, I feel kinda lame for actually keeping on this topic for so long... I need a hobby 0.0)
Olivia wrote: "i kind of wondering what if ren wasn't born who would jake imprint on? would he imprint on leah? that would be bit on the odd side. i wonder how would that work type of thing."Since there's ever only one person the imprinter imprints on, if Ren wasn't born he wouldn't have imprinted on anyone.
I am not so sure Reneesme will choose Jacob. I would believe that it could be possible that she have another soul mate although Jacob saw Reneesme as his. I believe that Meyers does not indicate that the subject of the imprinting has to fall in love with the imprinter. It has happened this way in the past but not an absolute. To say Jacob was In love with the part of Bella that would become Reneesme is a stretch. There is nothing which indicates that of all the genetic possibilities that Bella would conceive a girl. I don't buy that he was attracted to part of Bella that would later be her offspring. That a to say that if she had a boy he would have imprinted on him as well. This is far fetched reasoning.
I believe Jacob wanted to imprint on Bella. He treated Bella as his imprint. By all practical means and the definition of what happens when one imprints Jacob had in some way imprinted on Bella. I believe that there was a possibility that Jacob and Bella could have been together. I don't think that shape shifters can imprint on someone with a strong will, that is to say it will not blossom into a full relationship if not reciprocated.
What if Jacob had imprinted on Bella but because of Bella's strong will it was simply transferred to her offspring. Even the other shifters believed that Jacob had imprinted on Bella. Could it be possible that if you imprint on someone and they reject it strongly it would transfer to the offspring. Remember there are two instances in this book where shifters imprint on children. Children have yet to develop strong will. Thus the imprinter has years to form an attachment with the party that can be seen as love from the imprintee's perspective. Thus increasing the likelihood that the imprinter would be chosen as a mate.
I understand that what I explained has flaws, but those flaws are not in my fault, they're Stephanie Meyers fault. Just because that has flaws doesn't mean that it wasn't what she meant, because it was, she's just a sucky writer.
Also, I'm aware that there are people with multiple wives, and honestly I have nothing against it as long as they're happy and aren't harming anyone else by it, but it doesn't seem like that was the case in this story. Although I agree that if it had come up, Bella probably would have went for it.
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By the way it's written I definitely believe if Bella was never in love with Edward, it would have definitely worked out between her & Jacob. Though there would always be this thing in the back of their minds wondering would he ever find the "One" he imprints on? That would be nerve wrecking for me though.So, yes, they can be in love & care deeply for someone they aren't imprinted on. This is evident through not only Jacob's feelings for Bella but through Sam's situation as well. It's just that once they imprint, that's the be all and end all. Nothing can cancel that out. No matter how much they may love & care for the one they didn't imprint on.
But remember, Bella loved Jacob too. In book 3 she even finally admits to this. She sees & feels what her life would be like if she chose Jacob. She just loved Edward more therefore she chose him. Which shifted all things in bringing Jacob his "One" to imprint on.
First of all, Bella would never choose Jacob. That saying, Jacob only liked Bella in a lustful way. When he imprinted those feelings were gone because he was dedicated to someone else and realized the way he felt for Bella was not stemmed out of love/protectiveness at all. He was just being a regular teenage boy. That saying, if Bella did choose him (though it would never happen) yes, he could imprint on someone else. Even if you are with someone, according to Meyer's werewolves, you are not meant to be with someone unless you imprint on them first.
BonnieSkywalker wrote: "And there's another thing I don't understand... Would it be so bad if the three of them made some kind of a deal? Like Bella having them both. I mean Bella loved both of them at once, and Jacob and..."No, this would have totally ruined it all for me. What made it interesting was the conflict. She had to make a choice. Knowing that no matter who she chose or who she wanted, somebody was gonna get hurt that she didn't want to be hurt. & whether it was her intention or not, she had to stop leading Jacob on if he wasn't gonna be her choice.
Hmm I'm confused. So Jacob was attracted to the part of Renesmee that was inside Bella, etc. Assuming he and Bella ended up together and had a child, would the fact that it's their own child completely eliminate any chances of him imprinting with that same kid? I mean, I'm not trying to sound creepy, but it just occurred to me that if his attraction is to this "part of Renesmee", then even if the father changed, if a baby was born with this DNA that part would be there and gone from Bella, just like when Renesmee was born. Well obviously, that sounds creepy. Though I guess that's only if we assume the imprinting can end up in romantic love, and some people already pointed out that may not be so. It's been a long time since I read the book and I have never been a fan of Meyer so I have never followed her closely (I honestly read the books because I was curious about what would happen), so please excuse my ramblings. ^_^
Lilith wrote: "Hmm I'm confused. So Jacob was attracted to the part of Renesmee that was inside Bella, etc. Assuming he and Bella ended up together and had a child, would the fact that it's their own child comple..."If an offspring of Bella and Jacob were to be born then it wouldn't be Nessie. In all likeliness it would very likely be a boy. As you say, Bella only holds on half of Nessie, she needs both halves to be herself, not Bella's half and Jacob's half.
Lilith wrote: "Hmm I'm confused. So Jacob was attracted to the part of Renesmee that was inside Bella, etc. Assuming he and Bella ended up together and had a child, would the fact that it's their own child comple..."Lilith, brings up a good point. The explanation given by Jacob in this part of Breaking Dawn was a load of horse hockey. According to SM, Jacob would have been a perfectly good choice for Bella if she hadn't chosen Edward, right?
But if we follow SM's logic for why Jacob imprinted on a baby, if Bella had chosen Jacob and they had a child, Jacob would have imprinted on his own daughter. Or son, if that was the case. Because whatever child Bella was destined to carry was his intended imprintee, right? The soul is the soul. Not only is it gross, it's illogical.
That logic falls short to me because that daughter would not have been Nessie, though. It would have been someone else entirely. Even if they gave that particular child the same name, it still would have been a completely different person. Different parents....different person. Assuming that the wolves can only imprint on the one that they are destined to imprint on and that can't be changed, if THE Renesme (Edward and Bella's Renesme) had never been born, Jacob would never have imprinted at all.
Mochaspresso wrote: That logic falls short to me because that daughter would not have been Nessie, though. It would have been someone else entirely. Even if they gave that particular child the same name, it still would have been a completely different person. Different parents....different person. Assuming that the wolves can only imprint on the one that they are destined to imprint on and that can't be changed, if THE Renesme had never been born, Jacob would never have imprinted at all. "This is exactly right. The chain of events changes with the choices we make. If Bella had chosen Jacob, Jacob would have remained in love with Bella, But he never would have imprinted on anyone, cos his intended would never have been born. Cos Bella didn't choose Edward, therefore Bella didn't get pregnant with Nessie. You can't imprint on ur own flesh & blood. That's not only way out of the realm of common sense but it also takes away the purity of what imprinting means.
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