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FREEDOM OF SCIENCE
SUSANNAH: Okay fuck lard there is science and reason behind evaluation and there is NO fucking thing called Creationism! There is not thing as an all might GOD! okay there is rulers but... God is a figment of your imagination based off of Zeus okay! So stop being all Christian because I am Wiccan and Pagan!! I believe in Nyx the goddess of the night and I know that she didn't make me or the human! Nature and elevation did that thank very much. That was my sister and her opinion of you....
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I wasn't cussing! CAN YOU READ!! IT WAS MY SISTER!! GEEZ!!
Having blonde hair, or blue eyes, or hazel eyes are birth defects, not having fur is a birth defect!
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But birth defects don't have to have a negative effect like having one eye green and one eye blue. We are just a whole bunch of birth defects from monkeys
Well I don't and she doesn't and she wrote SUSANNAH: in large capital letters!!
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ASK! BUT YOU SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW IT'S ANOTHER PERSON!
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Alright well I did say sorry
because that's a birth defect that is negative not all birth defects are negative and not all are positive
"he complexity of humans, our minds, our nature, what's inside of us. That doesn't seem to have a shred of design to it?"Why do we have appendixes, tailbones, tonsils? We are full of organs that serve no purpose. Nature is full of cobbled-together solutions, like the panda thumb. It's an evolved bit of bone from the wrist. Why to we have back pain, sinus drips and prolapsed uterus? All make sense if we didn't start out upright, but not if we were designed.
"Gravity just happened to come into existence, so that we all don't float away into oblivion?"
Gravity is a force cause by matter, that was already in the universe. The sun came first, and it's gravity pulled the Earth in. The Earth, slowly, accumulated more matter, and formed a gravity well. THE EARTH DID NOT COME INTO BEING FOR US, WE CAME INTO BEING AROUND THE CONDITIONS THE EARTH HAD. We are only here now, because there happened to be good conditions. If there was no good conditions (Goldilocks Zone) then we just wouldn't be here. It wasn't created for us. We sprung up around it.
"Why are there people with birth defects? How does that benefit our species in any way? If we evolve to be better, why are some people slower at learning, or some people are blind, or deaf? That doesn't help our survival any."
Not all mutations are bad. You'll learn this when you get to high school bio. A mutation is just a change in the nucleotide base/amino acid sequence. It can be good, neutral, or bad. A good example is an adaptation. A neutral example is skin color. A bad example is a mental disease.
Susannah, nice to meet you. :)
Oh my gosh Lauren, I'm definitely staying out of this conversation. So confusing...
lol yeah...You explain things so much better than me Lauren!!
Lauren knows almost EVERYTHING. You could ask her a question and she'll probably be able to answer it easily and supported strongly...
Yew are vewy smart Lauren. And I'm proud to know you. It's kinda scary when you throw facts at me. Because then I don't know what to say.
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I've taken high school bio. I'm in college, I've graduated.
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So gravity, the sun, and the earth have all always been here?
I assumed that you never learned about evolution because if anyone has, it's very obvious how much evidence it has for it. The only way to not believe it is to try. They were formed when matter created a gravity well, and drew more matter to it, then all the matter cooled down, and you have the Earth. Gravity is a force that is created by the existence of matter. In the vacuum of space, with very little matter, there is no gravity.
As another point, just because one idea doesn't have every single fact for every second of everything, in no way implies that an opposing theory can win by default. There is no contest of only 2 ideas.
*groans* I thought I finally got away from all the Earth, Sun thing...What're we talkin' about again?
Oh. F**ck. Gravity is probably one of the last things I want to talk about. What are the two ideas?
Why no gravity?And to which two ideas are you referring to?
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Well, I could replace evolution with God and have the same argument.
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"'Well, I could replace evolution with God and have the same argument. "Evolution, in essence, is extremely simple and ACTUALLY explains something. God just brings up a whole host of questions, and doesn't actually explain anything. Where did he come from? Who created him? What are his abilities? It answers nothing.
"I love when people say this. It shows that they don't actually know anything about evolution. What are these flaws you speak of?"
http://www.spurgeon.org/images/pyroma...
They think animals instantly evolve over one generation and crap. Or alligators become ducks. They have no idea how it works at all.
Yes, what flaws are you referring to?
Actually there was this weird island and aside from other creatures there was 1 speicies of monkey. 100 years later there were 21.
See? One species, due to various forces, can become different.
Which is the base of evolution that has been proven as an actual happening
Crocoduck is almost as silly as Comfort and the banana argument. X) For evidence, he compared a soda can to a banana. Apparently is fits our hand too perfectly to have "chanced" it. ((In the lines, we read the bananas are genetically modifided and bred for humans. ))
okkkkkkaaay, it's curved fruit! We just found a way to hold it!!!
I NO!Ray Comfort gives, not only religion, not only fundies, but stupid a bad name.
I JUST NOTICED YOUR PHOTO IS THE CROCODUCK! OMG*teehee*
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For example, why don't we see the many stages of evolution today? Sort of see it happening? If it takes billions of years, then shouldn't we see a part human part monkey? Like a caveman type? One change all the way up until we got humans? If it takes so long, there should be more missing links leading up from one species to the next. A monkey didn't just give birth to a human one day, did it?
Also, about useless organs. It has been shown that there may well be a use found for these seeming useless, leftover from evolution, body parts. There were 100 organs in humans that were supposedly useless and proof of evolution. However these have now been proven to have a use in our bodies. And by the way, about our tonsils being useless? They help to prevent throat infection. Look it up. And some of those bones you think are extra in whales, actually help the reproductive organs.
I found this quote: “Great periods of time make the possible likely but never make the impossible possible.”
And this one. This one is by Charles Darwin himself, and ya, I can tell you where he says it: "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." - Charles Darwin, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life," 1859, p. 155.
"For example, why don't we see the many stages of evolution today? Sort of see it happening? If it takes billions of years, then shouldn't we see a part human part monkey? Like a caveman type? One change all the way up until we got humans? If it takes so long, there should be more missing links leading up from one species to the next. A monkey didn't just give birth to a human one day, did it?"We do have examples. Let's take, just for now, the eye. Some people think the eye is so complex, that it was designed. However, we have cells with no light sensitivity, cells with a light 'patch,' cells with a curved light patch, animals with a curved patch with fluid to focus, human eyes, and eagle eyes, with are more evolved then humans.
We did come from modern monkeys. Modern chimps and us have the same common ancestor. A monkey species became smart, and became us. The others, because they were isolated for whatever reason, didn't get as smart, if was a chain, more as a fork.
"Also, about useless organs. It has been shown that there may well be a use found for these seeming useless, leftover from evolution, body parts. There were 100 organs in humans that were supposedly useless and proof of evolution. However these have now been proven to have a use in our bodies. And by the way, about our tonsils being useless? They help to prevent throat infection. Look it up. And some of those bones you think are extra in whales, actually help the reproductive organs."
But, when they're removed, we can live without them. They do ave some function, but a useless function, as we survive without them .
"I found this quote: “Great periods of time make the possible likely but never make the impossible possible.”"
Many small improbabilities, like the eye, over time, add up. Read the book Climbing Mt. Improbable.
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Darwin, Darwin, Darwin. You neglect to say, that after that, after he set up that straw man, he proceeds to explain exactly how the eye could have evolved. He pulled you in for the punch to hit harder. QUOTE FAIL
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lol NathanDarwin was pulling you in. It was a RHETORICAL QUESTION. a.k.a sarcasm.
lol NathanDarwin was pulling you in. It was a RHETORICAL QUESTION. a.k.a sarcasm.
"Every living organism is a stage of evolution, so we do see it. Also, if you want to see it happen right before your eyes, you can watch bateria evolve in a lab. You can actually witness it happening. "We did a lab in school about the artificial selection we're creating with anti-bacteria sanitizers. The superbug idea.
"This wins the stupid statement of the day award"
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Oo! oooOo! I know the function of the appendix!
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It's function is to kill you by blowing up.
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I said IF. I never admitted to anything. I meant a half ape, half human. Like I said, shouldn't we see a missing link in between the two? An ape didn't give birth to a human, did it? So we should be able to see small changes in animals as they give birth each time. I mean, at least every 50 years or so, shouldn't we see a small change from human to monkey? And like I said, shouldn't there be a link in the middle that looks like both mixed together? If it does take millions of years, why aren't there more links in the animals chain?
Why are there people with birth defects? How does that benefit our species in any way? If we evolve to be better, why are some people slower at learning, or some people are blind, or deaf? That doesn't help our survival any.