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When creating a list of subgenres to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may have forgotten? Here's ..."
Funny thing though, when I went to see if there was an M/M Romance erotica listopia here, what came up most was M/F lists!
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may have forgotten? ..."
Exactly. And it's not easy. But, that's why I'm asking all of you guys, because the way I might organize something might be completely different than the way you would. Having some agreement/disagreement is really helpful.
Also, I'm just really excited that my new job lets me have fun like this. I mean, really, this is fun!
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When creating a list of subgenres to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may have forgotten? Here's ..."
But maybe if I have a separate list, it might help dispel that myth? Let's hope!
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If you think an erotica list is important, I will include it!
I can also include ho..."
Not genuine horror, no, but some of them do have horror elements. So, what else would it be called? Horror-ish? ;-)
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may have forgotten? ..."
Of course I've said this a million times, and it's old, but I do think the history of M/M is important. And it's also important to separate fiction written by authors who may not by en large identify as GLBTQAI FOR an audience that may or may not identify as GLBTQAI.
I respect the right of purists to curate "their" fiction. And I think that the Male/Male designation respects those boundaries. Or attempts to. But I also agree with what Tracy is saying.
And I also understand the resentment that Male/Male is the money-making part of the greater equation.
It's confusing as hell for ALL of us.
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may h..."
What I've done is to call it a "Gay Romance" guide, and when the patron clicks on the link to get into the guide they'll find a brief history linking it with fanfiction and an explanation that it's more commonly known as M/M Romance to those who write and/or avidly read it.
That should be enough. Otherwise I'll end up writing an essay and a glossary about fanfiction terms and everything else. lol.
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If you let it start, it's impossible to stop it. :-D
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may hav..."
I am so delighted that you have this job. :-) Having gone through some of the crap you did over the past few years. How lovely to be appreciated and love the work again.
Jordan wrote: "Josh wrote: "Lillian wrote: "I'm reading All In with the Duke.Can't believe I've had this in my TBR pile forever and I'm only picking it up now. :/
Halfway through and I'm loving i..."
I love historicals but I think it was all the bdsm tags that people had added to the book that put me off reading. Tags I don't think it really needed.
I agree, Jordan, but sometimes I also find I put off reading a favourite author to 'save' it for later and never get back to it or put off reading a sequel to a book I loved in case it doesn't match up.
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there any..."
:-D Oh yes, this is amazing. I mean, I can now create "shelf talkers" to highlight some of my favorite books on our shelves to recommend them to browsing readers. Corpse Pose is first up! :-)
Josh wrote: "Lillian wrote: "I'm reading All In with the Duke.Can't believe I've had this in my TBR pile forever and I'm only picking it up now. :/
Halfway through and I'm loving it."
Isn't th..."
Very true. And the other way around. For example I restrict myself to Christmas/Holiday reads in December to keep things light and relatively angst free. Doesn't always work. Some Christmas stories have had me sobbing.
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Yes. It is.
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Can't believe I've had this in my TBR pile forever and I'm only picking it up now. :/
Halfway through and I'm loving i..."
Oh jeez!
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or..."
Awww! :-D
Jordan wrote: "I hadn't planned on marking each author as to their LGBTQ+ status, because that feels like going overboard, but I did mention that books within the genre may or may not be written by authors in the..."This wouldn't be possible anyway because while there are a few authors who are blatantly vocal about their gender and sexuality a lot of us don't talk about that at all. Which I think is where that assumption comes from that most m/m is written by straight women.
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Exactly. And honestly, it's a private thing for the author and it's up to them to post that info for the public. Not anyone else.
Jordan wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Jordan wrote: "I hadn't planned on marking each author as to their LGBTQ+ status, because that feels like going overboard, but I did mention that books within the genre may or may n..."*nods*
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I think the only safe assumption is that M/M is largely written by women. And that is a safe assumption because ALL fiction is mostly written by women. Not least because there are more women in the world.
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True. Though I'm not even going to go that far. I'm keeping things simple, lest I get caught in a complicated web of something or other and someone calls me out on some hurt I never intended.
Josh wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Jordan wrote: "I hadn't planned on marking each author as to their LGBTQ+ status, because that feels like going overboard, but I did mention that books within the genre may or may n..."I think the number of men writing in the genre is increasing. There are certainly more attending the UK Meet year on year. But I agree women are still the greater percentage.
I take issue with certain people on social media making assumptions about the gender/sexuality of authors without considering how they may identify. It's pointless and purposely argumentative.
Mymymble wrote: "It's still my birthd..."Happy Birthday, Mymymble! :-)
Jordan wrote: "Another question for you guys who read F/F. As far as I know, it is actually known more commonly as Lesbian Romance rather than F/F. Is that true? I'm writing up a brief history of M/M blurb and ..."
I think it depends on the reader and the press. Traditional lesbian publishers and LGBT publishers, such as Bold Strokes and Less Than Three among others use the term lesbian.
M/m presses often use the term f/f. I personally dislike the terms m/m and f/f, f/m, mfm, mmf, whatthefuckever. It just reduces the book to a pair (or more) of genitals.
Mymymble wrote: "Johanna wrote: "Sara wrote: "Happy birthday Mymymble :)"What she said — I hope your birthday was a lovely one, Mymymble! Happy belated birthday!"
You're not belated, Joanna. It's still my birthd..."
Happy Birthday! Hope you had a fun day with Richard III. Do you think they will find the IV. next year? ;-D
Happy Birthday Mymymble! Have a gorgeous evening! ♡♡♡
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there any..."
I couldn't agree more with Josh, Jordan. It's wonderful to see you being enthusiastic and happy about your new job! WONDERFUL.
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I'm writing up a brief history of..."
It definitely does.
Mymymble wrote: "Gotta go t'bed. Year older now"Happy birthday, dear! ((supposing it is still your birthday))
Alternative version ;-):
Happy belated birthday, dear!
Mymymble wrote: "Antonella wrote: "Mymymble wrote: "Gotta go t'bed. Year older now"Happy birthday, dear! ((supposing it is still your birthday))
Alternative version ;-):
Happy belated birthday, dear!"
Nah, it..."
Happy Birthday. I hope you had a lovely day.
Two Boys Kissing got 5 stars from me (4.5). My only niggle was a slightly preachy tone at times. Here my review.
Mymymble wrote: "Thanks. Very perceptive. I seem to remember failing to share everyone's enthusiasm for One Day as well though it didn't make me cross! I will definitely avoid DL in the future.Thanks Ije too."
Thank *you*. I forgot to thank you for explaining your opinion about the book.
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:-)
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Well, and there's the thing. Our options for identification have changed dramatically over the years. When I was a young woman there were essentially two choices. Male or Female.
Even ten years ago, nobody really talked about much more than the most obvious options for sexual orientation: het, same sex or bisexual.
Period.
So a number of people who identified one way are now considering that perhaps their own fears or simply lack of knowledge informed their haste to publicly identify.
Granted, I continue to think the current passion for labeling ourselves and others is missing a much, much larger point and is just one more step on a much longer journey.
But the point remains that were those early pioneers of slash fan fiction to have the option to re identify themselves now, they might answer differently.
(Or they might not. Who knows? It's an intellectual exercise.)
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What she said — I hope your birthday was a lovely one, Mymymble! Happy belated birthday!"
You're not belated, Joanna. It's still my birthd..."
Wait! It's your birthday? More birthdays! :-D How lovely. More cake for all.
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I'm writing up a brief history of..."
I don't know. Does it? When someone is scanning a zillion books for what they're in the mood to read, I suspect those terms are hugely helpful.
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What she said — I hope your birthday was a lovely one, Mymymble! Happy belated birthday!"
You're not belated, Joanna. It'..."
LOL
Josh wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Josh wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Jordan wrote: "I hadn't planned on marking each author as to their LGBTQ+ status, because that feels like going overboard, but I did mention that books ..."Indeed. 30 years ago my options were girl or tomboy. One of which I was expected to grow out of. That I didn't has been a constant source of confusion to all concerned.
Susinok wrote: "M/m presses often use the term f/f. I personally dislike the terms m/m and f/f, f/m, mfm, mmf, whatthefuckever. It just reduces the book to a pair (or more) of genitals.."lol, how apt.
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Jordan wrote: "If you can't see the new book posted at the top of our home page, Bitter Legacy, has been chosen by a WIDE margin as our October 2016 BOM!!!"Cool! Looking forward to it. I wish it was published this weekend. With an additional day off and the rainy weather it is a perfect time and place to curl up and read. In fact, that's what I've been doing most of the day.
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Sounds like a day well spent. :-)
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Cool! Looking forward t..."
I wish I was home doing that! It's cold and raining outside all day today. Alas, I'm at work, preparing an online book list for LGBTQ History Month, writing a blurb for an Adult Coloring Workshop, and helping patrons navigate our huge, complicated library.
I just started reading Death in a Difficult Position this morning and I know I could blast through it, and would have, if I'd been given the entire day to do nothing. :-)
Update on I Knew Him by Erastes. Based on Hamlet I WISH it were tragic... or something. What it is is unbearably S.L.O.W! I am only 48% through after working on it all week, and I've put it down twice to read other things. I am about to give up.Not a single murder, and Hamlet/Charles Holland seems an unbearably self-absorbed asshole. At least Shakespeare's Hamlet was interesting in his self-absorption.
I've spent the last week happily lost in Elizabeth's Knox's The Vintner's Luck. It's a beautiful book and it's so very good. It's not at all a genre m/m romance, but rather the story of an extraordinary love over a man's lifetime. It's a quiet book, but it's utterly compelling and full of deep feeling. It's the sort of book that totally took me out of my own life and swept me away and made an impression. I absolutely loved it and I highly recommend it.
Soon (11th October) more Vic and Jacob! A collection of 20 previously published short stories:
:http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=6...
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Interesting. :-)
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Thank you for the recommendation!
Susinok wrote: "Update on I Knew Him by Erastes. Based on Hamlet I WISH it were tragic... or something. What it is is unbearably S.L.O.W! I am only 48% through after working on it all week, and I'v..."Oh, on the topic of Shakespeare: I stumbled on an interesting source recently. Do you know this? Understanding Shakespeare
It allows you to select a line in any of his plays and gives you tons of scientific background material that quotes this line. Very cool.
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:http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=6......"
Preordered this one!
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When creating a list of "subgenres" (no longer just subgenres) to M/M, do you think I've gone too far, or is there anything I may have forgotten? Here's my li..."
Yes. It's tricky. I agree. Basically you can not make everyone happy and you have to approach it from the standpoint of what will help a reader find the book he or she is looking for.