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Do religious people refuse to accept science?
Jason wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much Proof!"Theres no proof! You guys are so blinded its insane! If God was real, why is there pain and suffering in the world?"
WE are blind?! That's funny. No, there is pain and suffering because this world in being ruled by Satan.
You want proof take a look outside at plants and animals they are living proof.
John wrote: "You want proof take a look outside at plants and animals they are living proof."Lol, living. And people. Honestly, Jason. What do you think? You think the mountains made themselves? You think all of it was by chance?
Jason wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much Proof!"Theres no proof! You guys are so blinded its insane! If God was real, why is there pain and suffering in the world?"
"Evil is an perpetual burden of doubt for the believer and an obstacle for the non-believer"
It is fair for people to believe there is no God due to evil, with an Inconstant triad we can conclude either there is no evil, or God is not all powerful, or he is not all loving. There is evil we can't doubt that so it is one of the other two.
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Sasha Ivashkov-Herondale-Jackson (aka Clarisse)
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@Paigetwo -you allegedly claim that you have "given proof" but you do not tell us anything. All you say is insults by saying that "you people are blind.." OR " My God is the only One an True God..." OR "All paths except for one lead to Hell..."
Basically a lot of your comments have been offensive and racist. did you realize they were RACIST!!!!
In thi modern day and age, i would like to think that racism had reduced a lot since the time that whites thought they were superious over the "blacks" or "coloured".... But i guess people like you are keeping it alive, by saying that, ust becasue some of us follow a different faith (one that is not Christianity) we are all doomed to Hell. Doesnt that sound judgemental to you? It does o me. And you also said that Catholics and Christians are different because Catholics make it all about money, and Christians (as in you) make it only about God. Hmmm, correct me if im wrong here, but i think that sounds VERY JUDGEMENTAL!!!! I mean have you met every single Catholic in the world to know that this is their behaviour???? NO!
Do you think you are superious because you follow the Christian faith? DO YOU? I thought that "Everyone is equal (and loved) in the eyes of God..." and all that.
You wanna know what "saddens" me? Is that there are people like you claiming that they are true believers and whatnot, whereas all you are doing is insulting others who are different and feeling superior thinking that you will go to heaven for believing in the Christian God.
AND, and on top of that, you are pretty straight forward with your insults, and i dont kow if your stupid or what, but im SURE that you realize how RACIST and OFFENSIVE
You know what? Judging by the you are acting, i would like to erase that previous comment of your about Catholics thinking of money and Christians thinking of God... because you, Paigtwo who is Chrsitian, are ruining other "good" Christians reputation. I know many Christians myself, who are believers, BUT THER ARE NOT RACIST!!!! Ok? They do not repeatedly tell me that im going to hell, nd force the beliefs down my throat becasue i am not Christian.
Kaylee wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Jason wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much Proof!"Theres no proof! You guys are so blinded its insane! If God was real, why is there pain and ..."
1> Yes, He wants us to notice the truth, His son Jesus.
2>He can save anyone. He is strong. His is mighty. He has a plan far bigger than we can imagine. Bad things happen due to the fact Satan rules the Earth. But in the end, God uses the wrongs the Devil has made and turns it around to make some good come out of the situation. He knows what is best. He uses the little things to make something big. It might not be what we would choose, but He knows better. He can easily destroy Satan. But it is not time left. Jesus IS coming back, and then he will defeat Satan once and for all. But it isn't time yet. No one but God knows when it is time. He waits because when Jesus comes back, those who don't believe in him will perish, and God doesn't want that. He wants EVERYONE to find Him. That is why He waits.
3> That was in the Old Testament. He did what was necessary. You might call it cruel because they were innocent children, but I'll let you in on a secret. Children are under God's full protection. He LOVES children. Even if their parents hate Him, the children will go top Heaven when they die. They went to a better place and in hopes, their parents would too after they learned the truth.
Sasha Herondale wrote: "@Paigetwo -you allegedly claim that you have "given proof" but you do not tell us anything. All you say is insults by saying that "you people are blind.." OR " My God is the only One an True God....."
FISRT of ALL, Look up the definition to racist because you are using it under the wrong meaning -_-
Well Catholics and Christians are really the same religion I'm just throwing that out there so...
John wrote: "Well Catholics and Christians are really the same religion I'm just throwing that out there so..."There are differences...
There are also major similarities.
As I said or wrote just throwing that out there.
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Sasha Ivashkov-Herondale-Jackson (aka Clarisse)
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Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Jason wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much Proof!"Theres no proof! You guys are so blinded its insane! If God was real, why is ..."
uuhhh ooookay.... So the parents were jsut supposed to "believe"t that tier children died and it was fine since they APPARENTLY "went to heaven".
WOW, are you like saying that parets should not care? I mean if i were a mother and my children Or any other family member died, i wouldnt just "be fine" with it thinking they MAY have gone to heaven. I would grieve and be depressed to know that they have passed... LIKE A NORMALS THING TO DO!
God uses the wrongs the Devil has made and turns it around to make some good come out of the situation. He knows what is best.
How, may i ask, does famine, poverty and millions of innocent people and small children dying everyday suppoesed to make me believe in the existence on God? You claim that these things are the wokr of Satan, BUT you also said that God turns the wrongs of Satan into something good... SO HOW DOES HE DO THAT????? By letting people starve and suffer and DIE while He many simply watch???? How is INNOCENT people dying supposed to make me think that "God is making everything A-Ok!" *"I am so happy that people are dying, becasue im sure God says its fine! YEAH!"* <-*sarcasm
Its the same God, the difference is mainly to do with transubstantiation which is to do with the in communion the bread and wine to Catholics becomes his flesh and blood in the body, whereas to protestants, the bread and wine just symbolizes his blood and flesh.
H99 wrote: "Paige, if children go to heaven when they die, why do parents grieve them? Would you be okay with it if a child died, and console the parents by saying that he/she went to heaven?"what if the child was heathen and didn't go to heaven?
H99 wrote: "Paige, if children go to heaven when they die, why do parents grieve them? Would you be okay with it if a child died, and console the parents by saying that he/she went to heaven?"No of course you grieve but you know its not the end.
I have to say this, the bible was never ment to be taken literary it is like a guideline to how to live your life.
question about the bible.If my Brother were to die, and he leave his wife behind, do I marry his wife as it says in Deuteronomy or don't I as I would uncover my Sister in Laws nakedness as it says in Leviticus?
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Sasha Ivashkov-Herondale-Jackson (aka Clarisse)
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Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "@Paigetwo -you allegedly claim that you have "given proof" but you do not tell us anything. All you say is insults by saying that "you people are blind.." OR " My God is th..."
ok fine whatevr but that doesnt change the fact that you were actually discriminating against people in other religions your previous comments; the one where you were claiming the Hindu God(s) was "wrong" (or something) and your God was "better".
Also, you were discriminating aginst the Catholics. Im sure they dont appreciate that,
AND you were discriminating against everyone elese who was not following your faith becasue you claimed that "they were all going to Hell" since they were of a different religion.
NEWS FLASH! Contstanlty insuling others and forcing your beliefs on others and saying they will go to Hell... IS NOT EXACTLY THE WAY TO GET INTO HEAVEN!
Being so discriminating and jusgemental of others does NOT get you into Heaven.
H99 wrote: "John wrote: "I have to say this, the bible was never ment to be taken literary it is like a guideline to how to live your life."
I should live my life by THAT? Yeah, right. Not even in my dreams w..."
I was talking about the New Testament just saying and I'm not going to justify myself to you because I don't have too I was simply saying it could help your life with certain situations you don't have to do everything it says exactly you can live by it or you can simply take a page from it.
I should live my life by THAT? Yeah, right. Not even in my dreams w..."
I was talking about the New Testament just saying and I'm not going to justify myself to you because I don't have too I was simply saying it could help your life with certain situations you don't have to do everything it says exactly you can live by it or you can simply take a page from it.
@Pagietwo @John
what are the similarities or differences? Because different people have been saying different things to me.
Kaylee wrote: "Lia wrote: "I'll say what I said earlier, I find it strange that the not judging thing is not practiced more for a religion that preaches it.Sorry Paige but I found your comments to be rude, offens..."do your parents/family feel the same way? OR are they very religious?
Kaylee wrote: "Sasha Herondale wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "Lia wrote: "I'll say what I said earlier, I find it strange that the not judging thing is not practiced more for a religion that preaches it.Sorry Paige but I..."well, im sure my parenst had a religious ubringing. And i dot know if to call it forced or not, but this religion im following now was all that i was taught. I kinda had that rebellious phase in the middle where i was all like "God doesnt exist, i dont believe in God. "I think science in correct... I wish stuff and they dont happnen and everyone is dying and suffering, etc etc." Yeah that was like when i was 10-12yrs old.
But now i think i reached a point where i just find my religions interesting, and had iknown more about back then, maybe i wouldnt have reacted the same way. I just find studying about the diffrerent religions interesting, because every religion is fascinating and its interestin to learn other religion's POV of the world.
Plants are proof? They give no proof! You are so blind and ignorant....its crazy. If "God" had power, he could make Satan go away, right? Or does he enjoy people suffering?And being Christian and Catholic are very very similar. At least catholics have a good pope now.
Caitlyn, I want to say you are trolling because you make no sense.
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And being Christian and..."
Hey--as a mod I'm supposed to warn you not to say anything insulting toward other users. I don't like my role or whatever, but make sure to edit it out and make it nicer and softer.
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Lo♪ wrote: "Jason wrote: "Plants are proof? They give no proof! You are so blind and ignorant....its crazy. If "God" had power, he could make Satan go away, right? Or does he enjoy people suffering?And being..."
hey cmon now, Paigetwo said several more offensive comments on this thread. Maybe you should see them and say something to her.
H99 wrote: "Jason wrote: "Plants are proof? They give no proof! You are so blind and ignorant....its crazy. If "God" had power, he could make Satan go away, right? Or does he enjoy people suffering?And being..."
ok, no. I think Paigetwo was worse.
Just to clear things up, Catholics are Christians. Christians could be Catholic. There are 4 majors groups of religion when dealing with God around our world. There are Jews, Atheists, Muslim, and Christianity . I don't think Jews, Atheists, and Muslim break down more, but Christianity does. There are many groups each believing in Jesus who was the son of God, but they also have slightly different believes. Catholic is just one of them.
Also God does have power; He chooses to let people on Earth make their own mistakes without forcing them to stop. As for getting rid of the devil, He can't destroy anything he created. He created Satan with the rest of the angels, but Satan turned against God, took other angels and worked on being evil and bad.
Also God does have power; He chooses to let people on Earth make their own mistakes without forcing them to stop. As for getting rid of the devil, He can't destroy anything he created. He created Satan with the rest of the angels, but Satan turned against God, took other angels and worked on being evil and bad.
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Sasha Ivashkov-Herondale-Jackson (aka Clarisse)
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Katelyn♬✞ wrote: "Just to clear things up, Catholics are Christians. Christians could be Catholic. There are 4 majors groups of religion when dealing with God around our world. There are Jews, Atheists, Muslim, and ..."whe your talking about the "major" religions, i dont think that Athiesm comes under that. The five major (as in with the most followers) are: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduims and Judaism.
Katelyn♬✞ wrote: "Just to clear things up, Catholics are Christians. Christians could be Catholic. There are 4 majors groups of religion when dealing with God around our world. There are Jews, Atheists, Muslim, and ..."The other religions do break down into different sects, Judaism has two major ones.
I know there are other ones and sub ones, but I don't really focus on them sinceI don't believe in then.
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all the religions are major for the believer we should insult them by saying i don't believe in them, if you believe in any religion then you have to believe in all of them
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H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "all the religions are major for the believer we should insult them by saying i don't believe in them, if you believe in any religion then you have to believe in all of them"That, un..."
yeah there are ppl who say ndian/Chinese/whatever else God is inferior. :(
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I don't think it flat out denies it. Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day of creation (of seven), so there were things before them (such as birds and fish), but there is argument over whether the seven days were seven 24-hour days or not, because there is a verse (can't remember where exactly) about how 1000 years is but a moment to God. Therefore, the "7 days" could have actually been longer, which would explain the fossils of animals and plants that are so much older than others. Some people do believe, however, that it was seven 24-hour days, so...
Sorry for making this so long, but I love talking about this kind of stuff. I find it so interesting. :)
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Everyone does realize how off topic we have gotten.
Yes. I am rude. I am "wrong". I am mean. I am stupid. Is that what you want to hear???
Caitlyn you are none of those things and you know it, stand by your beliefs do not be swayed.
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John wrote: "Caitlyn you are none of those things and you know it, stand by your beliefs do not be swayed.":)
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(I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I'm going to answer.) No, you are not "wrong" or mean or stupid. I am also a Christian, so you and I share many of the same beliefs. I was not offended. However, several members expressed offense, so, as the Head Mod, I feel the need to address the issue because I think that everyone, no matter what they believe, should feel welcome to participate in these debates.
People hear but don't listen. People see but don't watch. People touch but don't feel...
Im not perfect. No one is but Jesus. That's why He died for our sins so that we can become clean again. That doesn't mean we will never sin again, but it means that we will sin less because we will know what is God's way.
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Theres no proof! You guys are so blinded its insane! If God was real, why is there pain and suffering in the world?