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Do religious people refuse to accept science?
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Wise words. While belief is what's important, i..."
Interesting point.
I guess. I would never do that (like, force people to convert), because if you force them, it just means that they're not doing it themselves). But, of course, I would prefer if people don't yell, shout, etc. in Churches, because it gets really loud and disrespectful, and also really disturbing when people are trying to find peace.
H99 wrote: "Abigail wrote: "I guess. I would never do that (like, force people to convert), because if you force them, it just means that they're not doing it themselves). But, of course, I would prefer if peo..."Yeah... I don't like that.
H99 wrote: "Lia wrote: "I agree. If a person will come to your God, they should do it on their own out of their own free will, not because they are forced to do so by soft power or some measure of hard power."..."That's horrible. True conversion is when you decided you want to believe in that faith, not because someone gave you an impossible choice and blackmailed you. That's just crude. And I wouldn't even consider the people that did that to be part of the faith. They were misusing it to gain power over others. Terrible examples.
i think yes religious ppl don't much believe in science but yes they cant live without science
Well, I am religous - I don't believe in science, and I believe in god.
But there is science.
You know what i mean?
No?
To the scientists. Who created the things that created the big bang theory? They couldn't be just there.
Some might say I am biased, because I think God did it, which I do!
But I also think of leaves changing colour as photosynthesis, not floating as gravity. There is science, to an extent (I personally find it insulting to be said to have been an evolved primate). Did you know that in the Qoran(NOT advocating anything, just saying) god talks about scientific things that we only discovered today? About planes, medicine, and how much of the earth is water? So God proves science - but how He created it all, so no, i don't think most religious people don't believe in science
But there is science.
You know what i mean?
No?
To the scientists. Who created the things that created the big bang theory? They couldn't be just there.
Some might say I am biased, because I think God did it, which I do!
But I also think of leaves changing colour as photosynthesis, not floating as gravity. There is science, to an extent (I personally find it insulting to be said to have been an evolved primate). Did you know that in the Qoran(NOT advocating anything, just saying) god talks about scientific things that we only discovered today? About planes, medicine, and how much of the earth is water? So God proves science - but how He created it all, so no, i don't think most religious people don't believe in science
H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "i think yes religious ppl don't much believe in science but yes they cant live without science"Some people accept both religion and science, though.
Such as Christianity and evoluti..."
May be, but what happened to Galileo, when he said earth revolves around the sun :)
Cookie wrote: "Well, I am religous - I don't believe in science, and I believe in god.But there is science.
You know what i mean?
No?
To the scientists. Who created the things that created the big bang theory? T..."
Well put.
Kaylee wrote: "alex {respect your life} wrote: "eh i started beleavinig god... so idk really about this onr... maby a lot but i think science happens but god made it happen that way"Science happens but God made..."
Completely agreed.
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Certainly, science and religion need not be mutually exclusive except in the area of "the beginning". Even here, however, the scientist don't agree with each other and the religious...well, among the so-called fanatical there's only one choice - the Bible and creationism; but, amongst the rest, the majority, I think, remain open minded.Let's not forget that in the 17th,18th and 19th centuries, NOT professing faith waa tantamount to ostracism, accusations of heresy and even death. No life loving scientist would ever admit to a lack of faith. Except Galileo... the Church very nearly killed him, but put him on "house arrest" instead for many, many years. That was big of them, don't you think?
Elevetha wrote: "But real quick, "religious people not accepting science". Let's investigate a bit, shall we? (And most of this first batch will be Catholics. The practicing are pretty religious, you know what I me..."You did your research!!!! Impressive!!! *virtual high five*
Elevetha wrote: "Let's not forget that in the 17th,18th and 19th centuries, NOT professing faith waa tantamount to ostracism, accusations of heresy and even death. No life loving scientist would ever admit to a lac..."Adding on that, the Church made MANY mistakes. No matter how you look at it, the Church is still comprised of humans. We're not all God.
And moreover, WE DON'T DO THOSE THINGS ANYMORE. The Church no longer arrests people for not professing the faith. The Church is not anti-science. The Church is NOT the Illuminati. We don't kill people for fun. A lot of things happened in the past, and we cannot change that. But some people are WAY to focused on what happened hundreds of years ago to accept the 21st century Church. The Church hasn't changed. It's society that did.
H99 wrote: "Abigail wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Let's not forget that in the 17th,18th and 19th centuries, NOT professing faith waa tantamount to ostracism, accusations of heresy and even death. No life loving sc..."well said even Hinduism says "do good karma" and "dip in ganga" you'll get heaven:)
Lia wrote: "Well, I don't think religion and science are mutually exclusive, you can have one and still have the other. Not every religious person is without science nor is every scientific person without faith."yes.
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Exactly
Lia wrote: "Well, I don't think religion and science are mutually exclusive, you can have one and still have the other. Not every religious person is without science nor is every scientific person without faith."Right. That is very, very true.
Just a quick question: Eleventha, are you Catholic?
Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "H99 wrote: "Abigail wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Let's not forget that in the 17th,18th and 19th centuries, NOT professing faith waa tantamount to ostracism, accusations of her..."river or i say mother ganga just get a dip and you are free from your all sins and assured with heaven :) . there are at least thousands of myth in india, like every river and every mountain is god and goddess here ,that's why we have 33 crores gods :)
Elevetha wrote: "Abigail wrote: "Just a quick question: Eleventha, are you Catholic?"Yup. I'm guessing you are too, because you referred to the Church as "We don't do that stuff anymore."?"
Yeah. I am.
Lia wrote: "H99 wrote: "It's a sacred river, you know? You swim, dip, something like that in it and that's good. You get a higher chance of going to heaven. "
From what religion is that? It seems pretty cool..."
I remember a former teacher of mine once mentioned an arch that was opened every 25 years, and if you walked under it, all your sins are immediately forgiven...? I'm not sure. I don't know all the details.
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It's a sacred river, you know? You swim, dip, something like that in it and that's good. You get a higher chance of going to heaven. "
From what religion is that? It seems..."
Is the arch supposed to signify something?
I have no idea. I think it's part of a church somewhere in Rome.
in my opinion, sometimes I find it hard to put together the science and bible timeline, but if we think about it, it isn't two separate things, and we need to stop looking at it like that, or it won't make sense. when God created everything, he created science too. he put it into people's minds to wonder about things and he was genius enough to make things work together so well. no, I don't believe in evolution, but I certainly believe in adaptation, which I'm sure has helped some things change over the years, though not as drastic as monkey to human. when God created everything in seven days, he didn't say how long those days were, so we might all be correct on how the earth formed. just because he told it to form doesn't mean that he took only a second to make it, he might have provided the materials for life and let it form, or maybe, some people think that it took millions of years to form and have scientific proof, but who knows whether God sped up the process? it could go either way really. seconds being stretched into millions of years, or millions of years being smooshed together in seconds. We don't know, and I think it only really matters what God tells us, and on this particular matter, all we need to know is that God created the heavens and the earth and he thought it was good.
I've read in some people's comments about being born into it and not getting a choice in the matter, I see where you're coming from, but for me, I separate my relationship from "religion" completely. I do believe in all this religious stuff but not like you would think. God is God, like most think, but he is not than just some big all powerful force that I have to learn about or anything. God is really wonderful and I've seen him do spectacular things in my life, and though I did get taught about him as a kid, my involvement in it is my choice and I really love him. I couldn't picture my life without him, not because he has always been there, but because I need him. I'm not forcing my "religion" on anyone, that's not what I'm trying to do. he is my father and my best friend and he makes my life great. if you had something really wonderful like that, wouldn't you want to share it with people? I
Lia wrote: "H99 wrote: "It's a sacred river, you know? You swim, dip, something like that in it and that's good. You get a higher chance of going to heaven. "
From what religion is that? It seems pretty cool..."
it is from hinduism and it washes ut all sins
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I love the way that you put that. I TOTALLY agree! :)
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Exactly
Jane wrote: "in my opinion, sometimes I find it hard to put together the science and bible timeline, but if we think about it, it isn't two separate things, and we need to stop looking at it like that, or it wo..."Nicely said
Elevetha wrote: "Jane wrote: "I've read in some people's comments about being born into it and not getting a choice in the matter, I see where you're coming from, but for me, I separate my relationship from "relig..."Exactly. You can choose to leave the religion if you want to.
H99 wrote: "Jane wrote: "in my opinion, sometimes I find it hard to put together the science and bible timeline, but if we think about it, it isn't two separate things, and we need to stop looking at it like t..."yep "brahma" create "vishnu" nourishes and "shiv" destroys the universe, its a cycle according to Hinduism we are living in kalyug (machine years )
H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Lia wrote: "H99 wrote: "It's a sacred river, you know? You swim, dip, something like that in it and that's good. You get a higher chance of going to heaven. "
From what religion is t..."
agree with you , you should pay for your sins and not try to washing them away
@ aboveyep totally agree with you even you don't even need to be punished becoz life will surely going to punish you somehow :)
H99 wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Jane wrote: "I've read in some people's comments about being born into it and not getting a choice in the matter, I see where you're coming from, but for me, I separate my relatio..."yeah thats true when julia Roberts praised Hinduism world was all over her
Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Lia wrote: "H99 wrote: "It's a sacred river, you know? You swim, dip, something like that in it and that's good. You get a higher chance of going ..."
Right. I was taught that this life is a temporary place, in which God is deciding where to put you. I was also taught that before all of us were placed into our mothers' wombs, God told us that we would face a hard life, and we would've had to agree before even being conceived. I find that a very interesting concept.
H99 wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Lia wrote: "H99 wrote: "It's a sacred river, you know? You swim, dip, something like that in it and that's good. You get a higher..."
hinduism believe in rebirth and it totally depends on your deeds, which life you will get in your next life?. even hinduism believes that you get to be born as human after 84 lakhs birth (other than human ) so you should do all the good works in it and achieve salvation(which means you get to live near god and never born again ) but if you fail then you are going to be an insect in your next life. its a punishment
Lia wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Lia wrote: "Think about what?"Purgatory."
I was asking Anuj and H99, since he doesn't like the idea of washing away sins, I wanted to know what he felt about punishing someone f..."
i believe life is your hell and heaven both ,if you are sinner then lifewill show you hell and if you are a nice person then life is heaven for you
That's the motivation, I guess. Every religion has a 'motivational point' or else no one would follow it.
Followers of Jesus don't accept science because they know better. Scientists are very intelligent, but intelligence can't get you to heaven. God created the world, as it states in Genesis 1:1-311 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Evolution is a lie. God created animals how they are. When Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, they crossed the Red Sea. God parted the waters for them, they walked on the sea bottom on dry land. When the Egyptian army with their chariots tried to follow, God let the water down on them and they drowned. Now, thousands of years later, they found chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea.
Followers of God don't accept some science because they know better. They have something better to believe: the greatness of God.
So I missed a lot here & I see you all jumped down my throat. The songs aren't my "evidence"! They are just good songs that can help you. Im sorry but Im sick of how people treat us Christians. You all that do that because you are too scared to confront that you need to accept Jesus to go to Heaven, & then you would have to drop all you're evil habits. Well, God willing, you will learn someday. You'll wish you had accepted early in life. So go ahead. Im waiting for what other rude remakes you guys are going to make. I feel SORRY for you guys. You are SO mislead! & I don't care what you say. I'm not ashamed of my belief. It's where I stand!
Queen Elevetha wrote: "Sammmmmmi wrote: "Followers of Jesus don't accept science because they know better. Scientists are very intelligent, but intelligence can't get you to heaven. God created the world, as it states i..."very well said it is true that religion without science is blind . we know how ppl used science to create godly scenes
H99 wrote: "Paigetwo wrote: "So I missed a lot here & I see you all jumped down my throat. The songs aren't my "evidence"! They are just good songs that can help you. Im sorry but Im sick of how people treat u..."There are many path. All but One leads to Hell. Believing in Jesus as your Lord & Savior is the only way into Heaven. It's not a hard choice & it's not hard to do.
Lia wrote: "Anuj wrote: " Queen Elevetha wrote: "Sammmmmmi wrote: "Followers of Jesus don't accept science because they know better. Scientists are very intelligent, but intelligence can't get you to heaven. ..."you havnt seen those person who prick their bodies , lying on nail bed and even playing with fire and using solar eclipse as god's rage
H99 wrote: "Anuj wrote: "Lia wrote: "Anuj wrote: " Queen Elevetha wrote: "Sammmmmmi wrote: "Followers of Jesus don't accept science because they know better. Scientists are very intelligent, but intelligence ..."yep , even my parents dont listen , my mother regularly pour a glass of milk on "shiv ling"(god statue)waste of milk
even in India a family cut of their heads in the hope of that god will come to help them
The Indian god isn't the same as my God. He is the only true God. My God walks on water, heals the blind & lame, loves even those who hate Him. Jesus died on the cross fot everybody's sin & on the third day He defeated death & rose. No offense, but tell me, what other "god" has done that. All that have claim, yet they still lie in their tombs. I have news, guys. Jesus is coming back someday & when he does, he will finish the Devil himself.
Paigetwo wrote: "The Indian god isn't the same as my God. He is the only true God. My God walks on water, heals the blind & lame, loves even those who hate Him. Jesus died on the cross fot everybody's sin & on the ..."ill ignore you becoz, i am not much of into religion but i believe in god and he/she is one whether Indian or not :)( and on the note of Jesus with all due respect, he believed to be lived in india in his unknown years )
Lia wrote: "Anuj wrote: "even in India a family cut of their heads in the hope of that god will come to help them"Did you mean as in literally cut off their heads? What sort of help will they get when the..."
literally cut off their head even after Hinduism does not support hurting and feeling pain in the love of god and even sacrifice but they were testing their god
Paigetwo wrote: "The Indian god isn't the same as my God. He is the only true God. My God walks on water, heals the blind & lame, loves even those who hate Him. Jesus died on the cross fot everybody's sin & on the ..."Amen!!!!!! Finally someone who knows the truth!!!!! And won't back down!!!! :):):):):):):)
Wise words. While belief is what's important, if you choose..."
Again, I think I said this once, but I'll say this again, churches, temples, synagogues and other 'holy places' are used to provide a safe place for people to express their faith. Even though this is a free country, there are still many who bully and judge because of one's faith. A church is simply a building where people of the same faith can worship together. Moreover, Catholics believe that Churches are a 'House of God', and therefore should be treated with respect. If you don't see it like that, it's fine. So, these places are not NEEDED, but they provide the idea of a sanctuary.