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if auri is the princess. it'll still hold with his brag at the beginning of this tale.I want her to play a significant role at the end...even if the was an afterthought to the series...
I love that character too much, lol
Exactly my thoughts. Can I request you/anyone to please post that brag. It's really needed, it seems.Oh and, I love her too much, too. She's precious, somewhat like the moon. And she is knowledgeable, so she might know/speak the work "Dulator"
"I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs to make the minstrels weep. You may have heard of me."some disagree, but i really feel that this is stated in chronological order...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH I'm noticing now that it's "princesses" ... i always remembered it as being singular... damn it all... he stole Denna and Auri... I don't care what ya'll say!! lol
Dang. Two princesses I understand. Two barrow kings I understand. But to save BOTH (or, even more) the princesses from barrow kings? What ARE barrow kings? Spirits?And for princesses, it can be Auri, Denna, Fela (she's modegan, right?).
And thanks. Talked to Gods, and they have to be knowers! Which is Cthaeh! I dont think it is in chronological order, though. What happened to Trebon?
I really like your first theory under Denna... I always thought there was something being hinted at with the hands, but i always seemed to gloss over it while listening to the books...
If you can find any further material to corroborate with it, I'd really appreciate it. And well, it was the only one that explained everything that happened to him, and it fits well with her helping the Chandarian (barrow king?). You have any clues as to the "ever moving moon" ?
[shot in the dark]doesn't the movement of the moon allow passage into the Fae? you can't just BAM walk into it... it has to be a full moon... so maybe his promise locks him out of the fae... seems kinda flimsy... i'll take these into consideration when i listen to the books again
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One thought, haven't seen it anywhere else, and reading your post made me come to it. The Singers are the Edema Ruh. (That the Ruh are singers is obvious, but I'll post a little support for them being Singers.)
1. Kvothe makes constant reference to his Ruh blood. Well, is Ruh a race? It appears that they are, but we're not shown exactly what would differentiate them from any other race that I can recall. In any case, it appears that one generally is born Ruh and does not "become" Ruh. (Yes, there are exceptions, but also remember the constant references Kvothe makes to his blood which would seem to refute that.)
2. The Ruh sing. Why? Well, as we have seen from Kvothe's search for info on the Amyr, books containing references to them have been pruned from the world. But, we also know from Kvothe that the Ruh know all stories. And storytelling is a very traditional way to preserve knowledge. Perhaps the Ruh originally started singing to preserve knowledge. Which also leads to...
3. The Ruh wander. In their singing and storytelling, the Ruh most likely make mention of forbidden names and knowledge quite often. But like the bottles that Kvothe throws in the clinks, there are too many Ruh wandering in too many directions for anyone to properly track them all down.
And finally, the premise for this is that the Ruh originally started singing and wandering to preserve knowledge thousands of years ago. But what has happened is that the knowledge they preserved has become unrecognizable over the course of years.
All pure speculation.
I've wondered about the Singers being Ruh as well, Bill. If that's the case, the systematic killing of Ruh at one time in history was most likely not a coincidence...
I posted about that on one of the threads a while back... there seems to be a reason the Ruh are so hated, and I felt it had something to do with the altering of history/truth by the powers-that-be.
Manda wrote: "I've wondered about the Singers being Ruh as well, Bill. If that's the case, the systematic killing of Ruh at one time in history was most likely not a coincidence..."Good point, I had forgotten about that.
I must have missed that post, Ions. Or maybe my head just wasn't in the right place for it yet. :) I initially assumed the pervasive hatred of the Ruh was included for character development or as an obstacle for Kvothe to overcome. Or perhaps to give a reason why Kvothe's mother was disowned by her family. More and more, it seems like nothing in these books is included for just one reason. Everything is connected.
"Everything is connected" I agree. It does seem so!First, to Ions. That is actually a pretty amazing shot in the dark. Songs are written on such shots, my friend. You may as well have figured out the truth there. This would also explain why one of the fae came to the mortal realm (which they hate) and ended up his student. Maybe the problem can only be fixed from the faen realm where Kvothe can't go, but only Kvothe can fix it? So, it gives Bast a legit reason (and more than just affection, since it's also for his realm - he's a prince, right?) to exist and do all that he does, at the same time, ensuring that he's not a negative character.
Now, to Bill, Ions and Manda. Your arguments make it somewhat convincing that Ruh might be the singers in question. But that would leave a lot of questions, for why must Haliax "protect" the Chandarian from the singers? And more importantly, there are no hints to the Ruh having a history that far back.
On the other hand, the singers of Tahl have much mystery, also, Denna asked for a leaf from the singing tree, which might be another reason for discovering here there. They might be like the Adem, with lots of history. And perhaps most importantly, Ruh are performers, play performers, troupers and musicians. They are never explicitly labelled "The Singers".
To draw a parallel, if frail thread, The Amyr, and The Sithe are a limited, collected bunch of individuals. So it seems likely that the singers would be the same, which is only the leaders in Tahlenwald.
Thoughts?
Thanks for your post Reizo, you have hit on things that I couldnt put into words! I can have all sorts of ideas but getting them from brain onto paper becomes a task for me.I feel that the "Deanna", was spot one, I kept thinking there has to be some connection there. That promiss was made and I felt he would not follow through on that. But does Deanna or someone else " punish" him?
Halifax let him live, but warned him about songs. Why let him live? Cinder would have killed him, but he was spared? Was that because Halifax had future plans?
Also, way out on left field...
Have you or anyone thought that while he was with Felurian, she could have concived a child? I see Auri being a child of Fea, and if time does not move them same there, it could go back. The post you placed, A, 1 - 4. She sounds like Felurian.
Also, has anyone thought about when he was with the Adem, he was sexually active with 2 persons, he spoke of the protection. He uses, only time I recall hearing of it. They don't believe in man babies, so could there be 2 red headed Adem later?
He was also supposed to return to Felurain, what was the deal? He write the song then come back? I will have to retread again, unless some has that one for me.
And while I am asking, what was said at the tree again?
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Okay, I will read more post and try to piece my brain together again..
Thanks guys
Thanks Toni. I think Denna does somehow manage to punish him for breaking the promise. The question is how? Maybe Ash helps?Haliax didn't "let" him live, per se. It was more along the lines of him trying to stop Cinder from torturing Kvothe, because he was tired of Cinder's amusements. And then, suddenly, they had to escape, and so Kvothe was left alive.
I think that yes, ferulian might have had a child (I don't know about fae human couples though). I am inclined to believe it is Bast instead, if Ferulian ever has a child, it could be Bast. Also, he's the prince of twilight, if I'm not wrong. And Kvothe is always saying how it was always twilight where Ferulian lived.
I don't think he would have Adem children though, there is just no indication, unless I missed it.
And the deal with Ferulian was that he'd finish the song and return to her.
The tree, someone will have to quote. since I dn't remember everything.
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The Singers are the Edema Ruh. (That the Ruh are singers is obvious, but I'll post a little support for them ..."
Actually Bill, I think it's suggested in the books that "The Singers" are actually a group called "The Tahl" they are located in the Tahlenwald Forest, presumedly beyond the Stormwal.
It's possible these are the people the Adem visit to cure there sicknesses.
Kvothe talks about how he would go there if he could go anywhere in the world, so he could learn to use music for magic.
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There is no proof that Kote cannot play the lute, he only does not have a lute in the frame, there is music though actually, he sings a song in the inn and is then recognized promptly afterward. It's more likely he doesn't play music for this reason.
He has lost his power, atleast the voluntary one. He can't name, can't do sympathy.
We also do not know he cannot Name. He suggests that he could break Chroniclers binding of Bast if he wanted to. And he uses sympathy, albeit not very well, when he breaks the bottle of Strawberry wine in the Inn. He does however fail at using it while fighting the skinchanger, a moment under pressure. In my opinion, this more points to the likeliness he has broken his alar, not that he can't use his magic or abilities.
Just a suggestion for consideration.
Amyr were before the worlds split? Or rather, before the moon was stolen? Then two new species, humans, who used the name Amyr, and Fae, who used Sithe formed in their lead? (this supports the thousands years old claim)
Amyr were after the world split, and after the moon was stolen. The Moons being stolen was what sparked the creation war to begin with. No original Amyr were humans, per Felurian. Their was Ruach and Ergens (something like that, I know it starts with an "e") first. Some of the Ruach joined Selito's Amyr, some joined Aleph's Angels, most joined noone and went on there way. It's popularly theorized these others became the Edema Ruh, others believe they became the Adem. Others even believe they became both. No one knows when The Sithe formed, it is presumed they formed when Ctheah was trapped, as this is there first and most important job, to gaurd Ctheah.
Amber wrote: "Kvothe talks about how he would go there if he could go anywhere in the world, so he could learn to use music for magic. "Music doesn't necessarily mean singing, however. Also, I would prefer the Singers come from a group we've been exposed to in books 1 and 2 and not appear from stage left in book 3.
Another interesting thought, was the Fae made from the Adem's original homeland? The story goes that the Adem were uprooted from their homeland by some agency and forced to wander. If so, I'd bet they have a serious score to settle with the Shapers.
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Music doesn't necessarily mean singing, however.
Oh thats not a direct quote, just a paraphrase. He suggests he'd like to go there to learn how all this works, it directly references them as singers. I wish I could find the quote now...grr, you'd probably like to disect it!
We do have a bit of exposure to them in at least book 2, since they are mentioned by Kvothe (I think while he is with Sim) The Adem, and The Chandrian. They are just mentioned in passing. I think it would work fine considering how long Pat's books are, it wouldn't seem too random to me at least.
The idea about the original Adem homeland is interesting. I think they were at the very least uprooted by the Creation War, so it could fit in my opinion.
The specific quote is this: "Long ago," she said, "the Adem were upheaved from our rightful place. Something we cannot remember drove us out. Someone stole our land, or ruined it, or made us flee in fear."I really found that interesting when combined with Felurian's explanation that the Shapers made the Fae out of whole cloth.
Further note, the Tahl and the Ruh are both nomadic groups of singers...offshoots of the same group split apart by the creation war?
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I don't remember anything suggesting this isn't possible.
They are actually pretty similar.
Amber wrote: "Bill wrote: "Further note, the Tahl and the Ruh are both nomadic groups of singers...offshoots of the same group split apart by the creation war?"I don't remember anything suggesting this isn't p..."
Here's why I like it: the Ruh have possibly lost their knowledge of Singing, while the Tahl have retained it. This meshes with Kvothe's emphasis on Ruh blood. There *is* something about being Ruh that makes them great singers and performers. It literally is in their blood. They have just forgotten their full potential.
Another reason I like it: PR is in full-on world-building mode. He seems to have a strong streak of Tolkien in him, which would indicate that he has a very good idea of what the history of the world is. In fact, he quite possibly did the history of the world *before* writing the KKC.
Finally, imagine Kvothe did get to meet the Tahl. And then he finds out their legends and myths. Perhaps he finds out that the Tahl have a story or myth which describes the world being ripped asunder and that half their tribe was separated by mountains?
Again, pure speculation, but it is very interesting to me, at least.
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We don't need that, I guess. On the other hand, with the Amyr and the Sithe we get clear, direct statements of purpose. And motive.
I also don't think he's referring to the Edema Ruh, a whole mess of which they had apparently just slaughtered. Yes, Arliden and Laurian might have been saying their names, but they caught up to them and took care of that. That's their thing. That's why folks are afraid of talking about them. The Ruh haven't done anything special.
I figure the Singers are Tehlu&Pals. The reason's a little thin, but considered with the motive and the aegis, it's not a bad speculation:
"The fire filled their mouths and they sang songs of power. Then the fire settled on their foreheads like silver stars and they became at once righteous and wise and terrible to behold."
Kvothe ends up with a similar description when he "fights" Felurian. (Which might, I dunno, wrap back around to Ruh being special, if you want it enough.) There's a fairly strong suggestion that These folks show up when Marten prays at the Bandit camp and by extension following the massacre of Greyfallow's Men.
Bill wrote: "Another reason I like it: PR is in full-on world-building mode. He seems to have a strong streak of Tolkien in him, which would indicate that he has a very good idea of what the history of the world is. In fact, he quite possibly did the history of the world *before* writing the KKC."
I think he's actually confirmed doing this. Or, more precisely, developing the world concurrently with writing and revising the story. Amber can probably point to an episode of The Storyboard where he talks about gaming in the 4C and he's mentioned it at least once on the blog.
The most recent interview he linked to has a bit about how parts of the world accreted as he discovered cool bits to put in it.
Bill wrote: "Further note, the Tahl and the Ruh are both nomadic groups of singers...offshoots of the same group split apart by the creation war?"
This is actually a popular line of inquiry. Somewhere folk dreamed up a post Betrayal world where the Ruach who wanted to watch baseball and eat fast food scattered, like the Babel story, and became the various nomadic groups. Adem, Edema Ruh, the Tahl, even the pre-Heldred-Cealds. YMMV.
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He posted this interview a while back:
http://wsm.wsu.edu/s/index.php?id=102...
Some of his friends from school talk about helping him flesh out the world so to speak, here is the most relevent quote:
Rothfuss lived in the world of the book. When he wasn’t writing, sometimes he and his friends would play in the world—a role playing game similar to Dungeons and Dragons. “This was serious geek business,” says Johnson. “Pat’s world was so sophisticated and so nuanced.”
Rothfuss guided the players through adventures in the realm he had invented. “It allowed him to think about his world as a real place,” says Johnson. He created money, had sorted out the crop rotations, devised languages, cultures, and folklore. They spent time there and could try out different ideas. “We got to play in his sandbox, so to speak.”
I know he also has talked about the fact that he has designed the culture of every region or country on the map, even though he doesn't use them all in this story. It's part of the reason he decided to write How Old Holly Came to Be for the Unfettered Anthology. It will be based out of Modeg, which he hasn't had a chance to introduce us too yet even though he spent a lot of time building it.
Bill wrote: "Amber wrote: "Bill wrote: "Further note, the Tahl and the Ruh are both nomadic groups of singers...offshoots of the same group split apart by the creation war?"I don't remember anything suggestin..."
When K was going head to head with Felurian didn't he say he tasted blood and bitter rue? I remember wondering about that....
Here is another random question, I'm sure it's been posted by others but I don't recall seeing it. In any case, Kvothe describes the Lockless box as having a very familiar scent, but he's unable to remember what it reminds him of. He explicitly mentions lemon. During his trip to the Cthaeh, he also mentions lemon among a group of other scents.
Is the Lockless box made out of wood from the Cthaeh's tree? Would opening the box free the Cthaeh?
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And I have actually hoped that is what the box was for. (Releasing the Ctheah) I think we discussed that idea around here maybe once before, but I can't remember where now it was a while ago.
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Yes.
For simplicity, I usually refer to the Cthaeh's tree and the wood as rhinna based on Bast's label for the flower.
Here's the tree:
It was like smoke and spice and leather and lemon.
And here's the Loeclos:
What’s more, it seemed to be a spicewood. It smelled faintly of . . . something.A familiar smell I couldn’t quite put my finger on. I lowered my face to its surface and breathed in deeply through my nose, something almost like lemon.
They both also engage Kvothe's sense of taste; the tree evoking a banquet and the Loeclos making him want to touch it with his tongue.
Roah smells different, like citrus and quenching iron, and lacks copper. The Thrice Locked Chest and Folly's mounting board are roah.
Bill wrote: "Would opening the box free the Cthaeh? "
I think so. And given you haven't seen the theory, I'm frelling gobsmacked. It took me almost a year to conclude that and, like usual, I backed into it.
To the best of my knowledge, the theory first appears here.
Before you go read that, though, I wanna mention it identifies Selitos as the Cthaeh, which folks have a bit more trouble accepting. It's clarified and elaborated in further posts and given a pretty good harrowing on Westeros.
I believe what Amber's remembering is JezDynamite presenting the idea here in an abbreviated form and, um, faring poorly.
"I think so. And given you haven't seen the theory, I'm frelling gobsmacked. It took me almost a year to conclude that and, like usual, I backed into it."I can't be certain I haven't read the theory before, it's entirely possible I have and just glossed over it, or just simply forgot about it. I posted my previous message basically because I just finished my re-read, and the Lockless box scene appears near the end. In any case, I read that, then re-read the Cthaeh description, and was thinking, obviously, that there was no way that nobody else had made the connection.
Edit: the rationale that I came up with last night...From the idea that the Cthaeh is contained by the tree, then I reasoned that part of the Cthaeh was contained by the box. Using the logic behind sympathy, releasing one might mean releasing the other. (Obviously, I don't know what the various magics are behind that, but that's the simplified reason I was using.)
Edit 2: I had previously read the theory that the Cthaeh *wasn't* the tree, that it was contained by the tree. Putting the Lockless box together with that after being exposed to this theory didn't take much deduction.
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@Bill - I think Sympathy is a good way to possibly explain how this is working. I'm not very good at breaking down these magics myself, but it's the reasoning I would first jump to as well. Very astute point in my opinion. I've wondered now, since we're on the subject, does the box tie to the door? Any speculation on that? Or do you all think they are completely seperate things?
Is the Ctheah being a tree really considered a theory by fans!? It directly says it isn't the tree. I don't know why people get so confused about that. Kvothe's not a chair - so logic tells us, Ctheah isn't a tree. Always seemed like a total "duh" to me, but I've read a lot of people being confused about it.
Amber wrote: "Is the Ctheah being a tree really considered a theory by fans!? "It probably has to do with a quick and not quite careful reading of the passage. And possibly a bit of mis-direction from PR. After all, PR spends a lot of the time describing the tree, and very little time on what's actually *in* the tree.
Edit: More specifically, there are a number of ways one could interpret the "I am no tree. No more than a man is a chair" line.
A reasonable interpretation is that the Cthaeh feels it is so far above a simple tree, he is as different from a tree as a man is from a chair. This could be seen as simple pride. In any case, if, as seems to be the case, the Cthaeh isn't the tree itself, the idea that it is the tree appears to be what PR wanted people to think.
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I've noticed that he likes to tell important peices of information surrounded by what some might call, drivel. LOL. He likes to start going on and on in a description or something to the point your like, "Shut up already, get to the important part" but in those lines and lines there will be a tiny detail that changes your whole perception of the story.
It's part of the reason I love these books.
Anywho - I interrepted the quote to mean that the Ctheah just used the Tree the same way a man would use a chair.
(IE for chillin' in. LOL)
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I connected the wood and the tree pretty quickly. Maybe I couldn't figure out how the box worked and dropped it? No idea.
WHEN IS HE RELEASING THE THIRD INSTALLMENT????? Cant deal with another GRRM!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAH i get that but Come ONNNNNN Already! I know it will be worth the wait just frustrating
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I'll be happy when it comes out, same with Winds of Winter, but how can I complain when I couldn't write something even half as decent?
Plus anticipation is half the fun!
Very True i Just have so many series im vested in that it has deterred me from starting new series because dont have the time to keep rereading and waiting.....
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Whatever happened to stand alones?
I haven't found any finished fantasy series that compare to Martin or Rothfuss writing. Which is too bad.
Take a look a the Malazan series. 10 books x roughly 800 pages each. That should tide you over for a while.
I could never get into Malazan. Dresden is good though, for a lengthy series.
If you don't mind DnD, the legends of Drizzt are pretty interesting as well!
Bill wrote: "One thought, haven't seen it anywhere else, and reading your post made me come to it. The Singers are the Edema Ruh. (That the Ruh are singers is obvious, but I'll post a little support for them ..."
Also Kvothe's eyes. What is up with that?????????
Toni wrote: "Thanks for your post Reizo, you have hit on things that I couldnt put into words! I can have all sorts of ideas but getting them from brain onto paper becomes a task for me.I feel that the "Deanna..."
Auri cant be of the Fae. While in the Underthing they walk down a wrought iron starcase bare foot - no pain
Reizo wrote: "Thanks Toni. I think Denna does somehow manage to punish him for breaking the promise. The question is how? Maybe Ash helps?Haliax didn't "let" him live, per se. It was more along the lines of him..."
Bast is over 500 years old.
Bill wrote: "Amber wrote: "Kvothe talks about how he would go there if he could go anywhere in the world, so he could learn to use music for magic. "Music doesn't necessarily mean singing, however. Also, I wo..."
It would make sense for them to be the singers. In book one, the Adem are mentioned once or twice then make a big aperance in 2, and in WMF they mention them once or twice
My central purpose here is to put the theories together in one thread, for that may lead to unexpected connections, and it'll lead to a central growth, I'm sure. Also, I desperately need someone to read this. Can't hold it in anymore.
And since I don't know if it matters, I will forewarn everyone - IT HAS LOADS AND LOADS OF SPOILERS.
Also, this is my first topic, so forgive me for the mistakes I make unwittingly.
To begin:
A. Auri
1. "Ivare enim euge" She knows the motto/credo of the Amyr, which wouldn't be too surprising was she not supposedly crackpot. Also, her knowledge of Ciridae (the highest among the Amyr), atleast the term, as evidenced by her speaking it to Kvothe on the rooftops.
2. In the second book, she knows about glavanic ioniztion, indicating that she has atleast minor skill in sympathy. Incidentally, Kvothe uses a galvanic binding (possibly ionizing the tree) to call down lightning on Cinder's bandit camp.
3. She is most likely a princess, as evidenced by her manner (saying of things would not be proper, her manners at eating, not wearing second hand dresses, and then the "play for me" attitude of a young, childish princess). One alone might have made her a noble, or a spoiled kid. But all of them together?
4. Most likely, Kvothe's first love. The one who calls him Dulator. For doesn't she clasp his hand in both of hers, and ask him never to leave her.
5. She also calls "Clinks" private. Which is mostly submerged stairs and a whirlpool like phenomenon. As seen, Kvothe comes up with a good use. But why does she call that place private? Any guesses? Also, note that clinks can be an infinite (time-wise) source for a kinetic binding, provided the force required isn't too high. Sylgadry, possibly?
B. Denna
1. MOST IMPORTANT. She extracts a promise from Kvothe that he will not try to discover her patron. But importantly, the promise is on - HIS NAME, AND HIS POWER. HIS GOOD LEFT HAND. And, the ever moving moon. Kvothe has lost his name and become Kote. He loses his grip on the soldier/mercenary with the kings coin, and then it's his surprise that does it. He can't play the lute, and hence no music. All in all, his LEFT hand is not well. Notice the mentions of his cupping his hands, throughout the volumes. And also, left hand is the hearts expression, used in Ademic. What else can it be? He has lost his power, atleast the voluntary one. He can't name, can't do sympathy. Also included in the promise. The only think I'm not sure about is the ever moving moon. Maybe he couldn't give that? Or maybe that led to the scrael and the demons?
2. She hates herself. Doesn't expect people to love her. Changes her names, which means she wishes to escape her identity. So, either she is a lure for Kvothe, controlled by a/the Chandarian, or she was a Chandarian associate before and made her bad mistakes. (She says it herself, the exact term for "mistakes" eludes me, but she says it after giving Kvothe his lute case). Possibly, she associated with Chandarian to help something/someone and things went bad?
3. Kvothe killed an angel for his hearts desire. Yet, it is nowhere said that heart's desire and love are same. Also, Sim and Fela laughing at Kvothe for not believing in love. It is possible, then, if Denna worked/works with the Chandarian, an Amyr (the angel) decided to pass judgement? Kvothe tried to save her, killed the Amyr, and discovered Ash's identity. Leading yo [B.1] ?
4. Remember the stray lady in the Maer's city? the night Kvothe tailed Denna? He notices empathy. Maybe she was fooled too, but by one of the Chandarian? Who has now returned as Master Ash or by controlling him to take back control, for Denna might be powerful yet?
C. Amyr
1. Not many people have access to the archives, almost nobody can change books, except the masters. Yet, the library has been pruned over the past 300 years. Who could do it, except one of the masters? I am inclined towards Lorren and/or Kilvin, for both are strong, large (like in Nina's pot drawing), and respect the past (ever lasting lamps, books etc).
2. The Maer would lead Kvothe to the Amyr. Yet, Kvothe had to leave the Maer almost immediately (thank Lackless for that). Then that was not the path Kvothe met them? Or were the letters enough? [Needs more info, anybody have something?]
3. IMPORTANT. Nina doesn't like the Amyr she's drawn. She hopes to bind them with words in Tehlu's book. What does that mean? That if not for their oaths, they might have done wrong? Also note "for greater good". Not necessary for individuals (like Sceop, who got nothing from the Ciridae in the story). So they are cruel, but good? Bound by laws, not voluntary? "Good of all, though GODS (?) and men might bar my way"
4. Amyr were before the worlds split? Or rather, before the moon was stolen? Then two new species, humans, who used the name Amyr, and Fae, who used Sithe formed in their lead? (this supports the thousands years old claim)
5. Either Nalto or Poitifex in the sixty-third degree. Why create the confusion? If (C.1) is right, then why did they let it be, and if not, why did the Amyr not prune it? Because somethings cannot be destroyed, and they might be precious. So they are worth hiding. Behind confusing, contrasting lies.
D. Chandarian
1. It is certain that special names (like Ferule) can be used as homing signals. Kvothe, and Shehyn agree. Laurian and her husband prove it.
2. Protection from "Amyr(C), Singers (E.2), and Sithe." See mentioned points. Why singers? What do they sing? What is "singing" for them?
3. Lanre became Haliax, which has Iax. A previous theory already. Maybe Iax tried to use Lanre, but with his will, Lanre resisted, (our names influence us, just as we influence them - Elodin) leading to them becoming one and the same?
E. Others
1. In the story that Kvothe tells when they don't cross the bridge, Faeriniel is where all roads meet. FAEriniel? in the realm boundaries, and hence is dangerous? He was going from "nowhere to nowhere". yet he says Tinue, where all roads LEAD. Also, he barely owned his name, Sceop. How? Like Kvothe?
2. Singers - Tahlenwald. Tahl leaders are SINGERS (see D.2). They have a singing tree, too. How strong are they? And strong in what? [More info needed]
3. Sithe - The only fae that can be said to work for the greater good. So, they are something like the Fae version of Amyr. Also, the spared/ignored/didn't notice Kvothe talking to Cthaeh. Why?
4. Iax/Jax stole the moon. His house has to be the faen realm (hence, no north, only daywise and all that, since it's on top of the world). Iax shaped it? Also, he met a listener (a Re'lar, I think). Also, he might have tried to help Lanre, but with Lanre's will and his own misfortune, things went bad and Haliax was born (also, see Elodin's reaction to changing names. He knows or suspects this?)
5. Cthaeh is most likely a knower (who knew the fox and the rabbit, and the space between), who came before the shapers. Hates the shapers and their creations, so his malice. Also, what if he saw hope for something better in Kvothe and actually helped him? It is not impossible.
6. Why must the moon stay in the sky? People warn of full moons (entry to faen world), yet it is the moonless night a wise man fears. What does the moon hold back? Scrael and demons, who were last seen in the Creation war (thousand of years ago, as Bast says. And we know the Creation war was thousands of years ago) because the moon was stolen and they leaked out before anybody could do anything? And is it unleashed now again, because of Kvothe's promise to Denna? The Amyr fought these for the greater good, and when the evil became insidious, the got the blood tattoos and the hard, heavy job?
7. Vashet spent four years "As a bodyguard and captain for a POET KING". He was a king of the small kingdoms? Who believed in making babies? Kvothe killed him? Hence Poet Killer and Kingkiller? Could it be Calinthis? I'm in favor. The birds die, the Cthaeh strikes down the butterfly in his colors. But is it mentioned/hinted if he's a poet? Also, the Maer mentions his habit of allowing swords won't go well. The break in the lime. Caesura. It is also Ed Vintic, right? All signs point to him being the dead king. Also, he is important enough to start a war over. And I think the prince reagent died. Right? So no succession, either.
8. Tabrolin has a bronze sword - Skyaldrin. Why?
9. Cthaeh says that the Maer would lead Kvothe to the lockless door. Yet he says it's a joke, and Kvothe will laugh when the time comes. Why?
F. Waystones
1. In the debt settlement, it is found that pagan rituals are performed next to the waystone. Ferulian saus women are smart and know how to keep fae away. The pagan rituals? Also, there might be rituals to gain entry?
2. They were ancient civilization stone markers. So, the civilization that existed after the faen world was created, and before the moon was stolen. You might say it disagrees with (E.4), yet, when he entered the house, he entered fae, where time flows differently. In the time he made it through the realm, the civilization was born and developed?
3. Bredon conducts pagan rituals. He was trying to use a waystone? Also, the detailing that Kvothe notices makes it likely to be a truth. Strongly disagrees with Bredon being Master Ash..
4. Old man spoke of "matched stone monoliths with an identical one lying on them". The dream Kvothe sees in NOTW? The only proper entry left to the faen world?
G. Lockless
1. Husband's rocks - bones, perhaps?
2. Ring unworn is most likely the air ring. It is always there, yet can not be worn. But it could also mean worn, as in doesn't wear down?
3. Word forsworn - Lanre's name? Or is it some promise?
4. Candle without light - no decent clue
5. Son who brings blood - Kvothe? or Bast?
6. Door that holds the flood - one word. Valaritas. Flood of demons/knowledge of them hidden in the Archives by Lorren, who is one of the Amyr?
7. A thing tight held in keeping - the deep secrets that weigh on the heart?
8. That which comes sleeping - dreams? the sleeping mind?
9. Natalia is certainly Laurian. Nothing else fits. She couldn't out her husband under the wagon just for "the metre" no matter what Kvothe thinks. Also, the last line of the poem is too close to Natalia Lackless itself. It is mentioned she is beautiful, and also, implied that Kvothe's father took away a girl of noble birth. All these things together can't just be coincidence, now.
I might come up with more, or might have forgotten some. Please do help. It is so amazingly enticing! Hats off to Partick! He certainly qualifies for the pins, if just for his telling.
Also, I think all poems/songs might mean something. Help in collecting and understanding them would be much appreciated.
Also, I know I wrote a lot. Thanks for reading. It really is nice to share!