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Elizabeth (Alaska) I responded to a request to correct the publication date for Macbeth because it had a Persian date. The first actual publication of this play occurred posthumously. In looking at previous edits, some librarians used the written date for this work.

It seems to me we should be entering the publication date and not the written date. This would apply to diaries, for instance, that are originally published posthumously. Please clarify if my thinking has taken me down the wrong path.


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Catalina | 2066 comments I assume in the case of very,very old works, when there wasn't a publishing industry the written date was the original publications date. You how the manuscripts was read in the author house or in small groups, or it was immediately played...
In the case of modern works the situation is clear, we do add as original publication date, the date that particular work was published, no matter if it was written years before.


Elizabeth (Alaska) Catalina-Laura wrote: "I assume in the case of very,very old works, when there wasn't a publishing industry the written date was the original publications date. You how the manuscripts was read in the author house or in ..."

I think we should get a reply from staff. I had another book in mind Memoirs of an Egotist which was published 50 years after the author's death. As a diary, the written date would definitely be incorrect.


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Catalina | 2066 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Catalina-Laura wrote: "I assume in the case of very,very old works, when there wasn't a publishing industry the written date was the original publications date. You how the manuscripts was read in ..."

We'll probably get it.
But I see in the case of Stendhal’s diary the original publication date it is known, so we add that, no matter when it was written. There is no doubt in this particular case.


Elizabeth (Alaska) We also know the original publication date for Macbeth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth (see 2nd paragraph, lines 2/3)


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Catalina | 2066 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "We also know the original publication date for Macbeth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth (see 2nd paragraph, lines 2/3)"

And of what i see it is correctly added: 'first published 1623' (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56...)


Elizabeth (Alaska) Yes, I fixed that this morning. Please see Post #1.


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Catalina | 2066 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Yes, I fixed that this morning. Please see Post #1."

It means it was edited in error and nobody spotted it until this morning.
In the cases where the original publications date it is know, we add it, no matter when the book was written. The rule is clear, no doubt about it.


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Elizabeth (Alaska) There is a reason I posted this under Policies & Practices. The manual doesn't specifically address this issue. Does the manual need clarification? Should the librarians who make inappropriate corrections be PM'd, or should the corrections just be made and move on.


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Catalina | 2066 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "There is a reason I posted this under Policies & Practices. The manual doesn't specifically address this issue. Does the manual need clarification? Should the librarians who make inappropriate corr..."

For me the manual seams quite clear: http://www.goodreads.com/librarian_ma....
Usually we edit and pass over, only if you notice the same librarian insisting over and over again with the same mistake you can PM him/her


Elizabeth (Alaska) I reread that section of the manual before I posted. In my Post #1, I say "It seems to me we should be entering the publication date and not the written date." which is how I will proceed. I'm not a new librarian, by the way, but have asked staff to clarify if my thinking has taken me down the wrong path.


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Catalina | 2066 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "I reread that section of the manual before I posted. In my Post #1, I say "It seems to me we should be entering the publication date and not the written date." which is how I will proceed. I'm not ..."

That's why i answered you in the first place with 'i assume', i just gave you my opinion based on the manual and practice until you get a better answer than mine.
I don't understand why you took it so personal and reacted as if you have something with me. Sorry if i seamed pushy or something!


Elizabeth (Alaska) I'm sorry, I didn't take it personally. But you gave a wrong answer.


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Catalina | 2066 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "I'm sorry, I didn't take it personally. But you gave a wrong answer."

I don't see where my mistake is...
When i said very old works i was talking about works like Iliad (see here: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...) where at the end the original pub was set as the time it was written. And said in the cases where the original pub date it is known we put that no matter if it's years after the written date. It's this wrong?


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