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I always felt that there was more to the story and it would all end up back in Scotland. Perhaps it might end up tied in with Loaghair's (sp?) mysterious unidentified lover.
for sure that gold will show up....I just don't really remember how Mr. Bug got it all out without anyone on the busy plantation noticing? Especiallly in regards to where the gold was located, wasn't the tomb visible to all??
I guess it's up to Diana to bring up the gold again. Arch has it stashed. Who knows?!--
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I agree that the gold will show up again. Mr. Bug is a staunch Loyalist. It might be that he will be a help for the British. Don't you think that Mr. Bug is who was really the Ghost of Hector Camoran? Jem talked about the ghost in ABOSAA and Bree tried to make him feel safe about it. The servants had been talking about the ghost for years.
Jamie could become a smuggler for the cause of Liberty. He has experience and would know how to handle himself. Ian Jr. is a little rough kind of guy, he would definately be a big help. I would think that he would go with them to Scotland to see his family.
Hmmm that is a thought..a facinating thought..I bet you're right!! I never thought of that twist..ewwww yur're good!!!!!!!!!! this is why I'm not a writer!!
Neither am I duh! I only wish. In the excerpts that I have read on DG's web site from Echo I can see that they are definately back in America. Ian is with them. One excerpt was about Willie in the swamp. So we'll have to see where this all leads.
I have been into these books for a couple of months now, I am kind of obsessed. It almost becomes part of your life.
I sooo understand! I can't go to sleep at night until I have my read! I think it's definitly an escape mechanism for me right now!! and I welcome it! I haven't read any of the excerpts...I just finished, last night, my first reread of Outlander and am going to start book 2 tonight. I read through this series waaaay to fast while I was travveling nonstop with my job so I missed alot!! I preordered Echo last week!
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You appreciate them better after you have read through them once or twice. I slowed down and really tried to get the feel of what DG was trying to say. They are better as you go along. Happy Easter!
Boy I tell you...I still have a hard time with the Jamie/BJR section...It is really hard to read.
I understand Cynthia. thaqt is always a really hard part for me too. DG must have a really vivid imagination. I just felt really really sad.
I think the saddest part for me involving the prison etc. was when Claire was given the box with Jamie's things in it. The first time I read Outlander that made me cry. It was heartbreaking when she was looking at the little bits and pieces of his life. I just lost it.--
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is Dragonfly in Amber the next book after Outlander??? I started it last night and I don't remember that it started with Roger, Claire, Brianna relationship...
So .. In Outlander, in the Abbey, when Claire gets the basin and lights the opium,ect...is this so Jamie has to physically "fight" his demons? And while we are on the subject...what about the basin full of water?? the conjuring up of the images???..was she a witch???
Yes, Dragonfly is next. Claire tells them the story about she and Jamie in France.I never really 'got' the whole basin of water deal. She basically drugged him so he thought he was fighting Randall. Fighting his demon, I guess. Getting some of the anger out and finally the emotional pain.
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Cynthia wrote: "is Dragonfly in Amber the next book after Outlander??? I started it last night and I don't remember that it started with Roger, Claire, Brianna relationship..."I think the water was just the means by which the vapors of the opium traveled in the air, because it kind of affected Claire as well. also, remember, Geillie used the same kind of technique on Claire in her house to get info out of her.
I'm not sure what she was trying to do with conguring with the water. I think she was trying to call Randall maybe and let Jamie fight him in his mind. She set the opium in a little metal burner of some kind, not the water. She left the water in her room them went to Jamie in his.
I don't understand at all the water in the basin thing. The opium issue I do..since it does make some hallucinate ( Jamie is sensitive to pain meds ect..he always complains they make him dream) and Jamie did have fever ect... and Claire was physically provoking him to fight it out? Did you get the impression that Claire was not affected all that much by the inhalation of the opium?
Claire had her moments of hallucinating and moments when things were a blur. I for one would not have tried to handle an opium high, angry Jamie Fraser. Ill or not.I thought the water basin was just a distraction Gellie used so Claire wouldn't notice the opium. Still can't see why Claire bothered with it.
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OHHHHH okay! that makes sense!! Thanks Renee!!!
I think it is interesting that the people of the 18th Century thought that most things that Claire did was witchcraft. Though the French seemed to take it the best. Do you think that Master Raymond was the man that helped Donner and his friends go through the stones in the 1960's?
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Upon re-reading the books for the third time I too think it was definately Master Raymond. On Diana's Q&A an her website there was a comment about him being able to travel over and over. He was very old. From a very early time period. I found that interesting.
Wendy wrote: "hehehehe! "Have you been on "live chat" on compuserve yet??? I've been looking for you!
No I haven't tried that. I need to. I have been tired up for two weeks in Jury Duty. It is finally over Yeah! Now I can get back to real life.
I think Jemmy will be stronger than Master Raymond. None of them ever had a gem explode in their hands. Jem's very powerful.--
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That is an interesting thought. Jem is very special, and I think that Amanda will be too. Maybe they will be able to travel easier than Claire, Bree or Roger.
Speaking of which, how much in the future will we next see Jem and Amanda? I'm looking forward to watching them grow up and to see if there is any more communication over time between families.
I haven't read any exerpts where there is any mention of them. But I know they will be included in Echo for sure. Amanda is talking plainly at the end of AABOSAA. So she has to be two or three. I can't wait for it to come out.
I was reading excerpts at Diana's site and she does have Bree and family at Lallybroch, but they're quite young still.I just finished ABOSAA for the umpteenth time and about the French gold there was a bit in Fergus's newspaper about a robbery at Neil Forbes' warehouse, where this pittance of money is reported stolen but a man, "one black, one white' were seen leaving the warehouse. What if Arch had been storing the gold there disguised as something else, then broke in and stole it. Why would you need a wagon and two people to steal a bittie amount of money?
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Interesting thought Renee. There are such deep story lines in every page that you really have to re-read the books to get it all and maybe you son't get it even then. I didn't think about the gold being stored there. I assumed that the Bug's had stored it at their cabin after he took it peice by peice from the cript. hummmm.
Mr. Bug seems to be a real Loyalist. I think that if he has access to the gold that he will use it for the cause somehow.
Yes, he's always going to Cross Creek and I think he stored the gold in one of those warehouses and he'll use it for the English. If he took it piece by piece it would be more convenient to store it closer to River Run instead of bringing it up the mountain. Closer to the water and to get on a ship.But that little bit from the paper made me wonder why it was included and who the black man and white man would be with the wagon. DG just slips these things in there!
Don't you think it would be difficult to get into the tomb on a frequent basis..unless Ulysess(sp) is the black man and was helping him? (I can't remember is U still alive?) Way tooo much info in these books for me to absorb on my first go round!!I do feel like Mr. Bug will use the gold to aid the British. Maybe... Jamie will intercept the gold at some point!
Yes, Ulysses says he's going to Virginia to join sign up with the English, when Jamie speaks to him.I thought about U, but then he did love Jocasta and Arch had NO love for Jocasta. I don't know if he'd join up with Arch.
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But you are right. Ulysses was always otherwise occupied when Jocasta was terrorized by Arch. When he was usually so vigilant. Hmm.
Do you think Ulysses really loved Jocasta, or was she the one in love....all by herself? Maybe, he knew a good gig when he saw one, especially in those times when his life could have been a whole lot worse.
I think he loved her. She did free him and he didn't go. On the other hand he did have a good thing going being the silent partner in River Run. So, maybe it was both. He was so attentive to her every need I can't think he was just doing it for the good gig.But maybe her marrying Duncan gave him pause to think a bit. Especially after what Phaedre said to him. He really had not security and Ulysses was quite clever and ruthless.
Yea, I don't know...I'm going to make a note to revist that thought when I reread. What other black man could it be? someone that hasn't been revealed to us yet? And if it was him, how do you think he could have gotten in ca-hoots ( my own spelling HEEE) with Mr. Bug? How many times have you read the series?
7-8 times. :) I know. It's a LOT, but I fell in love with the series and found something new everytime I re-read so I just kept re-reading. And I'm still finding things!I have no idea how Ulysses might have gotten in cahoots with Arch. IF it was he and Arch taking the gold from the warehouse. It just seemed odd for Diana to write up that bit of news. I thought 'hmm, maybe that's relevant to the gold?'. Or maybe it's totally a stretch on my part. ;)
Wow !!! that is why I enjoy hearing what you guys have to say.....I take notes and then, when I go to reread, things make more sense! Thank you!
I think that U was definately dedicated to Jocasta, but I'm not sure that he loved her. He seems to always be serving his own purposes. He liked beingin charge even if it was in the shadows. When Jocasta married Duncan his life didn't really change at all now did it? He definately could have helped with the gold. Why, if he was always so vigilant about every other detail would the gold be stolen so easily? hummmm.
Exactly!!!! because, it would not have been an easy task to move and manuever a thick, large marble tomb on a regular basis without someone noticing!! U. was involved somehow I think.....
Okay, so about the gold, I thought Jocasta had it hidden in her coffin? I haven't read ABOSAA yet. So sorry if I seem ignorant.
Yes, the gold was hidden in her casket, inside the tomb. Hector on one side and her's waiting on the other.
Do you feel that this gold will return, and if so how?