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How come Sebastian is all evil and Tessa is perfectly nice when they both have demon blood in them?
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I just don't get it. Maybe it's to do with the fact the demon blood was injected into Sebastian when Joceline Fairchild was already pregnant and the father was Valentine, so both shadowhunters. But Tessa's mother was a shadowhunter and father a demon. So, they both have demon and shadowhunter blood, but then wouldn't Tessa be more 'evil'?
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That's a really good question. I think it had to do with the way he was raised, and injected during pregnancy. Idk.
Good question. Tessa seems to have more privileges than Sebastian. Tessa's father was said to be a greater demon and her mom an unmarked shadowhunter, yet Tessa was able to get pregnant, since her angel blood 'defeats' the greater demon's blood. Angel's blood is dominant.
Sebastian might have been born evil, with or without the demon's blood, since he has the evilish trait from Valentine.
Although it also didn't make sense that a baby can be such an evil, before he was even raised in such a nasty way by Valentine. Sebastian can't surely be born evil (as described by Jocelyn at his birth), for he might be injected by demon blood, but still has blessed shadowhunters as his parents. He was injected, not born of. Tessa was born of not only a mere demon, but a greater demon, with a 'non-protected' shadowhunter mother. If angel's blood is that dominant, how was Sebastian born with demon's behaviour when he was 'only' injected with demon's blood (should be defeated by his parents' blood right away) while Tessa was born not only with a greater demon's blood but must also carry his DNA??
It raises another question. If the angel blood is that dominant, how can brother Enoch know that Tessa was a warlock even though she bore no usual marks, and didn't know that she was a shadowhunter?
God, Cassie better explain this in CoHF...
None of the warlocks are evil and they all have demon blood in them. Magnus isn't evil for example. Tessa isn't evil for the same reason I guess.
Still doesn't explain why Sebastian is evil.
I for one believe that at birth the blood given to Sebastian was Lilth's, thus caller him her child and all. Tessa on the other hand, although she have demon blood, her's came only from an eidolon. So a blood of a Greater Demon versus the blood of a shape shifter, I think we can conclude that the one with the Greater Demon's blood is way way way meaner than the other one
Maybe their upbringing? Valentine was a horrible, evil father and that seeped into Sebastian's character. Tessa didn't have a great childhood exactly but it wasn't as bad as Sebastian's.
Sebastian is evil because TMI needed a villain once Valentine was gone. I'm sure we'll get some long, lengthy explanation but I think he's evil because the story needed an evil villain.And honestly, was Valentine really EVIL? I didn't think so. Cruel and twisted in his logic, yes. But not Voldemort evil.
Well It all about who raised them I think anyway- Sebastian was raised by Valentine who we all know is Crazy and just terrible ( not going to win Father of the year award I can tell you that.) Where is Tessa was raised by her Aunt who was normal and was taught to be good where Sebastian had Demon blood which he was lost as soon a it effected him. Maybe its a Boy/ Girl I don't know. I think it didn't work for Jace is because he was Angel blood in him which I think maybe saved him, affect him, and wouldn't allow him to be like Valentine- that my idea anyway.
I don't think upbringing can explain it completely- after all, Jace was raised by Valentine too. Valentine tried to teach Jace that love is weakness- and it didn't work. So I dont think the nurture over nature thing solves the problem entirely.
Overdose of demon blood?Lilith treated him as her own son ... right?
Because Sebastian was bought up by Valentine, Tessa (like most warlocks who all have demon blood) never met her demon father so was raised differently.
remember that all the greater demons were all once angels, albeit now evil ones, while Lilith is the mother of evil, but not actually a demon, her tears of blood in the land of Sodom created the lesser demons. two different types of creature, so Tessa is naturally half shadowhunter half fallen shapeshifting angel, while Sebastian is actually naturally a shadowhunter, and he was treated with Lilith's blood in the womb. So two very different processes made Tessa (and most warlocks) and Jonathan/Sebastian
Luke wrote: "remember that all the greater demons were all once angels, albeit now evil ones, while Lilith is the mother of evil, but not actually a demon, her tears of blood in the land of Sodom created the le..."You got it exactly right :)
Tessa was raised way different. I mean Valentine beat Sebastian and Tessa's father didn't beat her.
Liv wrote: "Tessa was raised way different. I mean Valentine beat Sebastian and Tessa's father didn't beat her."Well its not that simple
I was thinking maybe Tessa is nice and not as evil as Sebastian because she half and she came "normally" ( more or less) and she has more control over it. While Sebastian was became when he was inject with and maybe he doesn't have full control I haven't read lost souls yet so I don't know if that would make any difference while that was my thought anyway.
This is a really interesting question - not one I'd thought about before. I guess Tessa isn't evil in the same way that Warlocks aren't inherently evil. Perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that they're not actually human? I think that the Shadowhunters are still human, aren't they (or at least mortal)? So perhaps the demon blood effects them differently?
Also, maybe you can't blame the blood for all of Sebastian's 'evilness' - perhaps he wouldn't have been nice anyway, without the blood, and the demon blood just magnified something that was already there? A lot of Sebastian's cruelty is down to his inability to love and we can see quite clearly from Magnus that Warlocks don't have a problem with that.
I've just done a search, and there's this interesting blog post on Sebastian: http://cassandraclare.tumblr.com/post...
When I was reading Clockwork Princess this question did occur to me.Why would Tessa be good and Sebastian not? Maybe because Sebastian hasn't been loved by anyone and Valentine tried everything to make him unaffected by any emotions. Compared to Tessa, didn't she find two great love in her life. But I do believe that Sebastian might change into a good person if given the chance. Well guess we'll have to wait till next year to find out.
I think it has to do with what you constitute as a demon. Valentine injected so much demon blood into Sebastian that it made him a demon. He was also raised in a terrible way. He was made so that there was more demon blood in him than human. By the time he was born he wasn't even part human, rather, completely monster.Tessa on the other hand is the child of a demon, but Shadowhunter blood is dominant. It may not have completely canceled out the demon blood, but it was enough so that she could be human if she wanted to. She had a choice just like every other child of a Shadowhunter, to accept her world or to ignore it.
Angela wrote: "I think it has to do with what you constitute as a demon. Valentine injected so much demon blood into Sebastian that it made him a demon. He was also raised in a terrible way. He was made so that there was more demon blood in him than human. By the time he was born he wasn't even part human, rather, completely monster."If I recall, Valentine injected demon's blood to baby Sebastian because he wanted to create a powerful shadowhunter, to add the already angel's blood running in Sebastian's vein (as he is a shadowhunter). I failed to read the part of 'so much demon blood' as you were implying.
And 'so much' would be weird, for Valentine didn't want to create another demon, but a more powerful shadowhunter.
Jace might bear angel's blood and not demon's blood, but Jace was raised in the same nasty way by Valentine.
Angela wrote: "Tessa on the other hand is the child of a demon, but Shadowhunter blood is dominant. It may not have completely canceled out the demon blood, but it was enough so that she could be human if she wanted to. She had a choice just like every other child of a Shadowhunter, to accept her world or to ignore it. "
Shadowhunter's blood to be dominant is rather weird. If that was the absolute fact, why did Brother Enoch failed to notice Tessa as a shadowhunter but acknowledge her as a warlock?
If the excuse to that flaw is that Tessa's mom was not a 'blessed' shadowhunter, then why did being a part shadowhunter make her blood 'overpower' her part-demon being?
this might be out of topic ... but incidentally, that means all the Herondales have some demon blood in them because of Tessa. After all, I think Will was the only male to carry the Herondale name, so every Herondale in Clary's time is a direct descendant of Will and Tessa. Cecily's kids became Lightwoods after all (that's why Isabel has her ruby pendant).So back to the original question, why didn't any of the Herondale descendants become bad as well? Surely the recessive demon gene become dominant in at least one descendant?
my assumption on the matter is the difference in thier childhoods.Tessa was raised in a loving home with some of her close family, whereas Jonothan/Sebastian was raised by Valentine and he was motherless and pretty much unloved and taught that 'to love is to destroy that which you love'. also another difference is the times in which they were raised and their gender too. girls were taught so many things about love and respecting the men in their lives in those times. Sebastian was, again, showed no love and only showed the darker side of shadowhunting, add in the fact that: one he's Valentine(who's pretty evil)'s son and a boy, and you have an arrogant and self-righteous asshole, who can show no respect or love to anyone/thing.
Sorry, I haven't read all the comments but this is what I have gathered. I've read up till City of Ashes and isn't it that when Sebastian was in Jocelyn's womb he was injected with demon blood. Though when Jocelyn was pregnant with Clary, Valentine gave Jocelyn angel blood so that she wouldn't feel the sickness that she felt, since he loved her then.
Ruthie wrote: "So back to the original question, why didn't any of the Herondale descendants become bad as well? Surely the recessive demon gene become dominant in at least one descendant? "Maybe that's why Jace is arrogant, and that demon blood skip generations. Stephen was not described as arrogant.
Smeghead wrote: "Sebastian was turned evil with injections when he was already a developing fetus. Must have messed up his mind, the transformation. Whereas, Tessa & Worlocks Mothers are impregnated with demon sperm. See the difference?"What were you trying to explain? Which blood is stronger? Demon's blood being injected thus altered the rest of his being (while the fetus was also a shadowhunter hence the dominant blood), or the blood that has been part of the DNA?
Theoretically, the blood as originally part of the DNA, should be stronger.
I would appreciate it if you could enlighten me with further info of your theory.
Sebastion is evil by nature and if the demon blood isnt in him naturally, it acts like a sort of drug, making him darker and evil and ruthless. tessa and magnus are both part demon by blood, so the angle is overpowers it naturally. Sebastion wasn't naturally part demon, so the demon's blood made him evil.
I believe no one is really born evil. It's always the situation that makes them become evil. Okay may be the demon blood did have effect on him. But I think it has more to do with the fact the he believed his own mother had abandoned him and also how Vaentine had raised him.Have you guys seen this?
http://cassandraclare.tumblr.com/post...
It's really terrible.
It was because he was injected with it and because the blood took over the normal blood in him (in my opinion), but because Tessa was BORN like that, she HAD to be 50% of both her parents' blood. I'm not sure if that makes sense to anyone else but me.
Catherine wrote: "I believe no one is really born evil. It's always the situation that makes them become evil. Okay may be the demon blood did have effect on him. But I think it has more to do with the fact the he b..."I KNOW sjfhgaughwubgfudbgubsdgadbfg! I just...I HATE Valentine O.o
And I was thinking of exactly that post when I saw this discussion.
Gabby wrote: "Catherine wrote: "I believe no one is really born evil. It's always the situation that makes them become evil. Okay may be the demon blood did have effect on him. But I think it has more to do with..."I didn't really have much feelings towards Valentine before. Not even hate. But after reading that post, I seriously wanna kill him... good that he's already dead.
Emily wrote: "Sebastion is evil by nature and if the demon blood isnt in him naturally, it acts like a sort of drug, making him darker and evil and ruthless. tessa and magnus are both part demon by blood, so the..."That didn't make any sense. If Tessa's angel blood over-power her demon's blood, how did Brother Enoch missed the fact that she was part shadowhunter, even if her birth was not 'blessed' like the other shadowhunters? Bro Enoch recognised her as an Eidolon, not a shadowhunter. If Tessa's angel blood was not recognised becoz she was not blessed, then how did that blood beat the demon's blood?
If angel's blood is that strong, how didn't it beat the demon's blood injected to Sebastian when he was still a fetus? He was after all, the offspring of both shadowhunters.
Tessa grew up in a good family, but Sebastian was whipped by his father and taught "to love is to destroy..." (just like Jace) I don't think it's having demon blood that makes them bad, but how they were raised.
Praise the post from above ;)
Liv wrote: "Tessa grew up in a good family, but Sebastian was whipped by his father and taught "to love is to destroy..." (just like Jace) I don't think it's having demon blood that makes them bad, but how the..."If Jace is as bad as Sebastian, then it makes sense. But as much as arrogant Jace can be, he is never a bad person.
And Jace was changed by demon's blood once, by Lilith's blood, so according to the theory, the demon's blood can change a good person into a bad person.
Why then did it affect the offspring less?
Could be because of the different upbringing.
Nurlely wrote: "Emily wrote: "Sebastion is evil by nature and if the demon blood isnt in him naturally, it acts like a sort of drug, making him darker and evil and ruthless. tessa and magnus are both part demon by..."its because of the natural vs unnatural amount of demon blood.
Emily wrote: "its because of the natural vs unnatural amount of demon blood. "Sorry... I didn't get what you were trying to say. How much is natural or unnatural amount of demon blood? in altering or totally a person?
I was referring to the confusing messages I got (after I acknowledged & went through the inconsistencies in TMI).
How angel blood (being shadowhunter) could 'beat' the demon's blood, but sent the wrong messages within the stories.
What is stronger? Demon blood in someone's DNA or demon blood being injected to someone's body?
If the angel blood can 'over-power' the demon's blood, how did Brother Enoch fail to recognise Tessa as part shadowhunter, but acknowledged her as an Eidolon?
How crucial is the blessing process of a shadowhunter? How small a shadowhunter was when the ritual must be performed?
We know that Warlocks are born from a human and a demon. But not all Warlocks are evil, I mean we know for sure one Warlock that is not evil, Magnus. Tessa isn't excactly a Warlock, because she's partly a Shadowhunter too. I think that demon blood has affected Sebastian so much because it was injected to him in an evil way. I mean, he was supposed to be born as a Shadowhunter, half angel half human, with all the blesses from the Angel. If his pure, clean shadowhunter blood was injected by demon blood, then that could have resulted into a terrible result-and it did. Tessa and all Warlocks naturally have demon blood in them, they're not supposed to have pure angel blood etc. And I still think that the way Sebastian was brought up really had an effect on him. It doesn't completely explain why he is such an evil person, but considering that there's already something really wrong going on with his system, the way he was treated as a child must have had an extra, terrible effect on him.
Gabby wrote: "There are a lot of differences between them, for one [spoilers removed] and Sebastian doesn't."They are different yes, although it is interesting how something works conveniently with Tessa, has worked awfully with Sebastian. His upbringing can not be a reason, for Jace experienced the same treatment.
Thanks to the awful ending of Clockwork Princess, my eyes and mind are now open to the flaws in TMI and TID... ;)
Nurlely wrote: "Gabby wrote: "There are a lot of differences between them, for one [spoilers removed] and Sebastian doesn't."They are different yes, although it is interesting how something works conveniently wi..."
Aaaahhhh, it wasn't just me who didn't like it. Although, for me, it wasn't the flaws that got me, it ws the horrible, horrible ending.
Gabby wrote: "Aaaahhhh, it wasn't just me who didn't like it. Although, for me, it wasn't the flaws that got me, it ws the horrible, horrible ending. "The ending is indeed awful. Some readers mistook me of not liking Jem's happiness as the reason of my feeling. It's not. There was never a convincing equal love story between Jem-Tessa-Will. It had always been Will & Tessa. I didn't even think CP2 deserves 3 stars but more of 2.5 stars. The bed scene in CP was the only part where the love triangle actually worked. And it ended soon enough, with Tessa being so miserable. The idea of Tessa got the two boys was cop-out, an alien idea to the whole story we have got from CA and CP.
I didn't care about the flaws in TMI and TID before, but reading such an awful ending had shocked me from my ignorance and for me to finally acknowledge that both series were not as awesome as I thought before.
Traci wrote: "That's a really good question. I think it had to do with the way he was raised, and injected during pregnancy. Idk."I agree, it's probably because of how he was raised. I mean, he had Valentine as a father after all and I don't believe that he was evil right when he was born. Demon blood or not, he's still a Shadowhunter. I know that many of you will argue that Jace was brought up by the same man, but he doesn't have a mother who decided to hate him BEFORE he was even born. Knowing that people think that you're a monster + psycho dad + having a mother that hates you for something that you weren't even responsible for = hurt teenage boy who needs to vent out his rage by seeming evil. Simple enough
Taryn wrote: "but he doesn't have a mother who decided to hate him BEFORE he was even born. Knowing that people think that you're a monster + psycho dad + having a mother that hates you for something that you weren't even responsible for = hurt teenage boy who needs to vent out his rage by seeming evil. Simple enough "Jocelyn did not hate Sebastian BEFORE he was born. And the feeling was not described as hate, but terrified. Jocelyn was scared of what she saw of her baby, the way Sebastian stared back at her, but she still loved him and longed for him.
At baby age, it was hard for Sebastian to remember how his mother felt about him. It was impossible for Sebastian to remember that his mother was afraid of him when he was just born. What he knew of his mother was what Valentine told him, not from his own memory. Sebastian was not long with Jocelyn. She thought he was killed in the fire, when he was still a baby.
Jace was brought up about the same way. If Sebastian didn't care about his mother, Jace didn't even have a mother to hate or to care about. That emptiness was worsened by having a father who taught him that to love is to destroy.
They are different because they were brought up differently.Tessa's brought her up to be like she is and valentine was an egotistical maniac that wants to bring out a new race, therefore his son is just like him, maybe worst...
Nurlely wrote: "Taryn wrote: "but he doesn't have a mother who decided to hate him BEFORE he was even born. Knowing that people think that you're a monster + psycho dad + having a mother that hates you for somethi..."I didn't mean to say that Sebastian REMEMBERS Jocelyn's feelings. I meant to say that Valentine probably told him all these things. I get that Jocelyn was scared, but it wasn't Sebastian's fault. I stand by what I said... Sebastian's behaviour is totally Valentine's fault, as well as Jocelyn's.
Taryn wrote: "I didn't mean to say that Sebastian REMEMBERS Jocelyn's feelings. I meant to say that Valentine probably told him all these things. I get that Jocelyn was scared, but it wasn't Sebastian's fault. I stand by what I said... Sebastian's behaviour is totally Valentine's fault, as well as Jocelyn's. "It was also Valentine's fault that Jace was arrogant, sarcastic and pushed people away. But Jace didn't grow up an evil person.
Nurlely wrote: "Taryn wrote: "I didn't mean to say that Sebastian REMEMBERS Jocelyn's feelings. I meant to say that Valentine probably told him all these things. I get that Jocelyn was scared, but it wasn't Sebast..."Actually Jace is probably like that because of Will from TID. Come on... this is probably a Herondale trait. Seriously.
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