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Game of Thrones - reading schedule
I think it is a good idea.
B, I think I must be reading a similarly page numbered edition as you are reading. I did not realize that there were so many differently numbered editions of this book. I had better catch up. Looks as if I am a bit behind without realizing it.
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I am going to have to count on my co-facilitator to take over after this weekend because I am going out of town for 10 days. I hope Meg's wrist is healed enough to allow her to type once again.
Irene wrote: "B, I think I must be reading a similarly page numbered edition as you are reading. I did not realize that there were so many differently numbered editions of this book. I had better catch up. Lo..."Irene, after Shelia place the chapters that need to be read for this week, I think we are have the same pages as the hardcover edition because the last page for Catelyn's chapter is 606.
BTW thanks Shelia for doing that because it helped out greatly!! However it did show me just how far back I was. Hopefully I am able to catch up and be able to discuss this Sunday.
OAN: I need to stop looking at different groups/sites that discuss the book because I found out another spoiler that just killed me to my core!!! LOL....
LOL B. I agree it helped out greatly. I think I can get caught up by Sunday. Does anyone else enjoy this alot? Ever since the kidnapping of Tyrion I have been enthralled. The quibbles of Catelyn and Lyana over Tyrion my goodness. The direwolf and the battle WOW.
I think you mean Lysa not Lyanna. Lyanna is dead. I love this series. If you need someone to step in and help co run the discussion for a few days. I can help. I read the book previously. I kinda been helping the discussions along.
Yep Lysa. Sorry Jamie.
you are doing great Jayme!
Jayme, I can use all the help I can get.
There are several theories I had when I was first reading this that I kinda want to ask people about but I don't want to mess with their thinking if they're not already thinking it. Some of them I found out later are pretty widespread theories. I'm kinda surprised that a particular one hasn't come up yet in discussion.
Well Jenny, what are your theories? I heard them all more or less.
Hah, I'm sure you know all the theories. I'm curious if anyone who's reading it for the first time is suspecting any of that stuff. The one I'm particularly surprised that no one has mentioned yet is the one about (view spoiler).
Jenny wrote: "Hah, I'm sure you know all the theories. I'm curious if anyone who's reading it for the first time is suspecting any of that stuff. The one I'm particularly surprised that no one has mentioned yet ..."I asked my friend about that who watches the show and she said that they have yet mention it. I have my "theories" about it, but have no clue.
It's not really explored in the books that much either, at least not yet, though the show hasn't even given the small clues that you do get from the books. There's enough in Ned's POV, particularly in the first half of A Game of Thrones, to really get the theory going, and then you get a (sometimes extremely) minor detail here and there throughout the books that hints at it being true. So my theory about Jon's mother (and pretty much the going theory among the fandom) - and it is only a theory - for those who want to know it, is that (view spoiler)
This is obviously all opinion and speculation at this point because none of this has been dealt with yet in the books that have been published thus far. It's something that people start obsessing over early on in the first book and then just keep wondering and theorizing about, because it has yet to be answered. But I think it makes the best sense. And it's fun to think about this sort of stuff with these books because there are SO MANY secrets hiding in the pages.
I'm wondering if anyone else has thought this or come up with any suspicions about Jon's mother? Or anything else weird, for that matter?
That is a popular rumor that R+L=J. I don't think Martin will tell us anytime soon. I believe that the mother is L. Father could be R. I don't believe that Ned would ever willingly cheat on his wife.
Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "That is a popular rumor that R+L=J. I don't think Martin will tell us anytime soon. I believe that the mother is L. Father could be R. I don't believe that Ned would ever willingly cheat on his wife."I do not want to add a further spoiler.. but if you have read book-5 there is a mention of Ned Stark being with some girl.. by Lord Manderly. Apart from that mention.. there is nothing further on that. But on the other hand I feel that it is the first impressions that usually last.
There are several times when comments like that one are made but they always seem like rumors. Or cover stories. I am certain that Jon's mom is not some random. There is a significance to the mystery of who she was.
I can't reveal spoilers. Not sure why, but they don't open if one uses key strokes instead of a mouse. Anyway, I can't say I have given any real thought to the identity of John's mother. I have just taken the story on face value.
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It is an interesting theory, but I have to admit that until Jenny mentioned this, I also had given no thought to Jon being anyone other than the bastard son of Ned, as the story said. LOL
Jenny interesting theory. I too have been thinking the same thing. It would make an interesting situation between Dany's unborn child and Jon. However I am sure I will have several theories and mind changes as I continue to read the series... LOL.. OAN: King Robert is really getting on my damn nerves. LOL!!! Let's say that he dies, what could possibly happen to Ned, can he just go back home and be the Lord of Winterfall? I would care less what happens in the south. Shoot...
I'm waiting for the end of GoT season 3 to finish we have three eps left before I start. a dear friend has read the first four books and apparently the story lines have changed so much in the show it gets quite confusing trying to handle both at once. it makes sense why they changed it thouh each book is an epic novel and too much to fit into a ten hour series.
The show isn't really that different from the books so far. Obviously they can't include everything and they have to combine some characters or leave some characters out. So there's one or two story lines that merge or take a different direction to get where they're going, but the result so far has been the same, and most of it is pretty close with little tidbit changes or additions here and there. Season 1 was very close. Season 2 did some weird stuff but the overall story was still the same. Season 3 has been pretty close as well - there is stuff with Theon in book 3/4 that occurs off-page but is shown in the show, so that may confuse people who haven't read 5 yet to find out what exactly was going on there.
GOT has been staying true to the books. Not like oh say Trueblood. However I still like Trueblood. I don't want to reveal what happens with Ned. You guys will have to keep reading. This is like becoming a soap opera. We already have incest between brother and sister. :)
Sheila, Thanks for sending me Jenny's theory. I just wonder, since we are dealing with a royal person, how easy would it be to hide a pregnancy? It is easier to father a child without anyone knowing than it is to mother a child in secret when one is living in the lime light.
Irene wrote: "Sheila, Thanks for sending me Jenny's theory. I just wonder, since we are dealing with a royal person, how easy would it be to hide a pregnancy? It is easier to father a child without anyone kno..."Lyanna was Rhaegar's...prisoner? guest? hard to say...during this time. So she wouldn't have been going anywhere to be seen.
So, Rheager is killed, Lyanna is rescued just in time to die and the baby is saved by Ned who brings him home?Another question by an inattentive reader... How are the brothers Sandor and Gregor related to Cirsei and Jayme?
The grandfather of Gregor and Sandor was a kennelmaster for the Grandfather of Jaime and Cersei. That Clegane, along with the dogs, ended up saving Tytos Lannister from an animal attack or some such. As a reward, Tytos knighted him and gave the Cleganes some land and took his son (Sandor and Gregor's father) as a squire. The Cleganes have served the Lannisters ever since.
I am catching up now that I know what I should have been reading. LOL! I got to the goring by the wild bore. I have decided that the people of the Eyrie are my least likable in this book. I do not see a single redeeming feature in that society. Little Robert is repulsive. His desire to see human exicutions is incredibly horrible. This society seems to have absolutely no ability for empathy.
I am to the part where Robert has returned. I was not sad to see Robert die. Was happy to see that Visery's got what he deserved for being greedy. How do others feel about Jon and his station as steward? Do you think Sam is right on his guess that he will be privy to information and is being trained to command? I am not confident about Ned being in charge either. I dont think he will be much better than Robert. IMO.
So who do you think has the ability to rule well?That entire scene from Vysaries poking Dany in the navel with his sword to the golden helmit struck me as something out of a comic book that rather than be repulsed by the brutality, I wanted to laugh. There is a tendency to the cliched scene in this novel.
Well, neither Sansa nor Arya thinks about her sister when all hell breaks loose in the palace grounds. That did not strike me as normal. I don't care how much sisters fight, when the shit hits the fan, little girls turn to one another. At least Sansa thought of Arya at the end of the day, but not Arya. For a child who prides herself on being the obedient child, Sansa's disobedience of her father in such a great manner seemed very out of character. Maybe Ned needed to put a bit of the fear of God in her rather than saying that he would explain things when they got home.
And, as the various houses of the great kingdom fight among themselves to see who will be the most incharge, the mysterious people of the north will make their deadly move....
I was so happy to see Robert die. I felt sorry for the boar. IMO the wild boar killed a royal bore. I was happy to see Vaserys go as well. So you guys got up to the part where they are going to leave King's Landing. You guys must have met by now, Syrio. Any thought on him?
Syrio is the fencing instructor for Arya? He strikes me as the wise guru of the East, the sage of a Martial Arts instructor.
Yes he is the fencing instructor. I absolutely love him.
Ned was smart to hire Syrio to teach Arya fencing. I will just say she will need it.
Syrio reminds me of Mr Miyagi in The Karate Kid :) . I like him too. Irene I am not sure who can rule. I felt the same about Arya and Sansa. I guess I don't understand Septa M's role I thought she would have a say I the girls but Ned says No.
Septas are women clergy members. Septa Mordane serves the Starks in a role similar to that of a governess or some such.
So do you all still think that the author doesn't like women? I think there are some really powerful women in this novel.
That's a good point. Does Martin not like women? At least in the form of rulers? @Rebecca, that's interesting Syrio reminds you of Mr. Miyagi. I didn't get that. Yes he is a mentor. He does have the Miyagi wit though. :)
I think that the world in these books doesn't particularly like women, with some exceptions. I wouldn't say that GRRM doesn't. His female characters are all pretty strong in a multitude of ways. I like that he shows women being underestimated and then shows what a mistake that often is. Perhaps there isn't much opportunity for it early on, but as the story proceeds you will see women characters gaining strength, respect, power, etc.
I never thought that Martin disliked women. But, I do think he is creating a world that mirrors Medieval Europe in many respects. And, at that time, women rarely were permitted to take the primary leadership role. They were the power behind the throne, but rarely got to sit on the throne. I feel as if we are in the world of King Arthur with the addition of some mythical elements.
I felt the same Irene especially when Sam T took the oath. Do you think there will be a Lancelot?Its driving me crazy. I have no idea where Ben S is and why he is missing and who would attack them. Thethe axe was Tyrion wasn't it?
I think that we are supposed to presume that Ben is a victim of those zombi type northern folk, the ones who have not been seen for 8,000 years, but who we saw in the prologue. I am holding out hope that he will miraculously show up again.I am bound and determined to finish this book before I leave on vacation Monday. I only have about 100 pages left, so should make it.
100 pages in nothing with those book and those zombie things are called white walkers for your fyi.
The zombie things are wights. The White Walkers (often referred to as the Others) are the ones who raise them.
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I can tell you there are no sparkly vampires. On the show, the wights were awesome looking and very intimidating.
I knew that those ghostly creatures would have to show up before the book ended since they were in the Prologue. So, White Walkers and the zombi-type creature that we meet through John are not the same thing, one is Wights and the other is White Walkers? Will that be made clear in this book or is that info that is revealed later in the series?
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May 26 - discuss up to page 418(paperback movie tie in) or 501(hardcover) or location 9414 (kindle), or somewhere in that area. The chapters for this previous week's reading were Eddard, Bran, Tyrion, Eddard, Catelyn, Jon, Tyrion, Eddard, Sansa, Eddard, Daenerys)
then for next Sunday read up to page 506(paperback movie tie in) or page 606(hardcover) or location 11416 (kindle) which would be these chapters: Eddard, Jon, Eddard, Arya, Sansa, Jon, Bran, Daenerys, Catelyn
Does that get everyone back on the same page?
Or is that just confusing?