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BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Juliebird wrote: "I think that Will and Jem shared one soul. Tessa [spoilers removed] I think the real love story was Will and Jem."I agree, Will and Jem had the most important and beautiful re..."
Their relationship was the reason I enjoyed this book as much as I did. (And have you seen the Heronstairs fanart? Nosebleeds all around).
Shirley wrote: "BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Juliebird wrote: "I think that Will and Jem shared one soul. Tessa [spoilers removed] I think the real love story was Will and Jem."I agr..."
In have seen it, and a little part of loves it so much, what a different story it would have been if it had been like that.....imagine an ending without Tessa and just the two boys.....oh fuck, i'm sick in the head,i can't help it i love them both so much. xxx
Jade wrote: "BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Why is everyone being so harsh on Tessa?, just because she loved more than one person. Itis possible to love more than one person in your lif..."Thank you, i was afraid of getting abuse honestly. I just got so pissed off at some of the comments, they wre being so closed minded. Fans need to get over it and accept that both boys deserved a good ending xxx
Josie wrote: "BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Jade wrote: "BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Why is everyone being so harsh on Tessa?, just because she loved more th..."You have every right to you're opinion. I understood and accepted that Tessa was equally in love with both Jem and Will because I was equally in love with both of them as well. xxx ;)
BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Jade wrote: "BridieJ*mentaltastic*dragon-Ducks are EVIL ;) x wrote: "Why is everyone being so harsh on Tessa?, just because she loved more than one person. Itis possible to love more than one perso..."I know what you mean, i thought i was going to be verbally(?) lynched, haha. I felt so out numbered
Nurlely wrote: "I don't fancy the idea of Tessa with Jem after she had lived with Will. I know it is for the fans' sake, but the Epilogue is way too much."I know exactly what you mean! I felt like she was betraying Will by taking up with Jem. But after thinking about it, and the relationships they all had together, I think Will would have wanted her to be happy and if Jem was the one to make her so, then all the better.
Sandra wrote: "Nurlely wrote: "I don't fancy the idea of Tessa with Jem after she had lived with Will. I know it is for the fans' sake, but the Epilogue is way too much."I know exactly what you mean! I felt li..."
Thank you for being open minded. Tessa might as well have killed Will and gone evil with the way everyone is going on about it, as if Tessa did something awful. She loved two people, she always did, it's not like that was NEWS, we always knew that, it's not exactly suprising. I liked the ending personally, but i seem to be in the minority and i don't get why, it's mostly Will fans i have to say, not generalising, thats just the pattern i'm seeing, i wonder how they would feel if the roles were reversed. hhhhmmmm, but anyway, i loved it, the book was brilliant, i'm going to leave it there ;) xxx
UGH!! I actually really don't like how she got Jem in the end, I always thought that she belonged with Will, and the end just made it seem like okay Wills love was great but not enought. Cassie shouldn't have let her have both boys
There was never any indication that Will's love was not enough for Tessa. She married him and had a happy life with him after all. In the same way, Jem's love was also enough for her. Since Will's long dead and buried, there's nothing wrong with her loving Jem back. There's no point in Tessa holding onto her love just because Will died. Her love has to go somewhere...it's not like she can stop the ability to love. Will wouldn't have wanted her love to go to waste and who better to have that love than Will's other half?
****WARNING SPOILERS BELOW********YOU'VE BEEN WARNED****
This book...by the Angel, the feels!! So I already hated Mortmain, but when he started going on and on about how Tessa would "bear his children" I was just like, "Dude, you are such a perv. Join the club with Sebby."
We got so many couple moments, so a lot of ships became cannons in the end. The best part was if you were shipping either Wessa or Jessa you were satisfied. She married Will, and spend a liftime with him, then he died; she then gets a lifetime with Jem. But it makes me wonder: when Jem finally dies, what the hell is Tessa going to do? I mean, siriusly, what can she do, fall in love with another set of parabatai. (How do you even pronounce that..para-bay-tie?)
I think I finally understood how Miss Gray could ACTUALLY fall in love with two guys. As said many times in CP2, Jem and will are like one soul, connected by the special parabatai bond and love they have for each other. And though they have different interests and personalities, its like they're the the same soul, so close that they could be as such. (I don't think I'm explaining this too well)
I loved all of the Henry and Charlotte, Gabriel and Cecily, and the Sophie and Gideon moments, so damn cute. But I was really hoping that during the book Charlotte would just pop out wittle Buford.
Holy crap, Sophie's Acsention...THAT WAS FREAKING AWESOME!!!
When Cecily was telling Charlotte to leave Henry I just was mentally screaming, "DON'T YOU DARE LEAVE YOUR FREAKING HUSBAND BEHIND, LOTTIE! DON'T EVEN TRY IT!!"
And Henry became paraplegic, but AT LEAST he was alive.
I'M PRETTY SURE THERE WAS A WESSA SEX SCENE IN THIS BOOK PEOPLE. I mean, later on Tessa described it as saying "she and Will had spent the night together"....if you know what I mean.
When I finished this amazing work of wonder, I did two things 1) FINALLY read the family trees, hesitating to do so because I was too afraid it would be full of spoilers WHICH IT KINDA WAS and 2) decide that my child will be named William (and not just from TID, another fictional guy of the same name has stolen my heart.
This was a lot of ranting. I think I'll just go and let the feels take over.
Beverly wrote: "I am so torn about the ending. On the one hand, I love that Tessa got to be with both of them. It seems like Will had a very happy life with Tessa and he got everything he ever wanted. They had chi..."Omg I had the same line of thought. I always think Tessa loves Will more than she does Jem, and the ending kind of ruins the greatness of this book :(
Krista (One Love) (Critical) wrote: "Nurlely wrote: "I don't fancy the idea of Tessa with Jem after she had lived with Will. I know it is for the fans' sake, but the Epilogue is way too much."Same. It makes her love for Will seem ch..."
so true. Regardless of being a Wessa/Jessa shipper
Beverly wrote: "I am so torn about the ending. On the one hand, I love that Tessa got to be with both of them. It seems like Will had a very happy life with Tessa and he got everything he ever wanted. They had chi..."Beverly wrote: "I am so torn about the ending. On the one hand, I love that Tessa got to be with both of them. It seems like Will had a very happy life with Tessa and he got everything he ever wanted. They had chi..."
this is so true :'(
Ha I seriously think that Sebby and Mortmain should make a club together. they are like the 2 most sickest evil guys in the history of books. Sebby tries to rape his own sister and Mortmain wants to 'breed' with Tessa. both are disgusting and when mortmain was litarally crush, i was like HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! Now I just hope sebby dies just a awesomely as Mortmain.
Beverly wrote: "I am so torn about the ending. On the one hand, I love that Tessa got to be with both of them. It seems like Will had a very happy life with Tessa and he got everything he ever wanted. They had chi..."I 100% agree with everything you have said-these are my exact feelings and I'm so glad I'm not the only one feeling them... its like a sickening feeling. on one hand I'm so happy and on the other I'm devastated.
Guys, I think the point is that she loved both the boys. I don't know if she ever said she loved them equally or in the same way. Nonetheless, there is nothing wrong with Tessa ending up with Jem after Will dies (at least, not to me). She had a great life with Will and now she can have a great life with Jem.
Cassandra Clare even said Tessa loved both boys equally, and Jem and Will were the biggest wessa and Jessa shippers, respectively. Will would not have been sad or disappointed Tessa decided to move on, especially if the guy was Jem. He would want nothing less for the both of them. The two people he loved most in the world can be happy together, why would be not be happy?
Here's my issue with authors telling us things--their words on page do not always match up to what they are telling us.We're told Tessa loves both equally, and yet that is not what I read in the books. I feel like Clare is contradicting her own words with some of her posts. Which authors can do, you know.
They write with certain intentions. That doesn't mean those intentions are always well executed, or the final result matches up to them.
I could mix up a batter with the intention of making chocolate cake. But if I botch up the recipe, I'm not going to end up with the chocolate cake I was aiming for. I feel like Clare had in mind a recipe for this triangle, but she left out some ingredients and the result did not match up with the intention.
That's all I'm saying. It's nothing to do with hating on Tessa for moving on. I just didn't think the storytelling matched up to Clare's intentions.
Agree with Rose.If I may add things to that.
There was no Equal love in CA and CP, if we are talking about Tessa's one in a romantic way. Yes she loves both Jem and Will, but the story served us with a different kind of love. A romantic way with Will, passionate and fiery. Cassie might say in her tumblr that Tessa's love for Jem was as passionate as that, but that was not what I read in the books, literally.
When I had to read the Epilogue, and offered such a dramatic equal love, I felt like I had been cheated. Why did I miss something so blatantly clear? Although I was also confused, for I didn't read each book just once, so how could I possibly miss it?
I didn't. I read it again, and I still didn't get the romantic love Tessa bore for Jem as she did for Will.
This is not a matter of disliking Jem and wanting Tessa to live alone after Will passed away. This is about Cassie tried to feed me with something different from the books. Maybe because her head was so full with details of books she is going to write, she didn't manage to execute them all into her books (as Rose explained above)
Btw... How can we only talk about Tessa's misery of being an immortal? She should be grateful for enjoying her life much longer than everyone else. Why the negative vibe? Why the pain and forget all the happiness?
If Will was offered an immortal life with Tessa, he should have grabbed it in a blink.
Agree completely with both Rose and Nurlely! :DThat's what just didn't sit well with me at the end. The idea that someone loves more than one is not bad at all(it happens in real life), but when you sell us one thing, then switch it so suddenly to something else, it's frustating. And I feel like I've read posts where the author is addressing the readers and saying in some way that anyone who isn't happy about the ending is too narrowminded to understand the concept of her book. Uh no, I understand that you changed the concept basically in your last book. (Don't get mad about what I said. Just venting, since I finished the book today and the emotions are still fresh.)
Totally true Phoenix. Not only narrowminded readers, we also are 'nominated' as Jem's haters. I feel it hilarious. We love Cassie and her books. That is why we are very observant with details in her books. Just because we love Cassie and her books, we are to say that she is without flaws? Nope, Cassie is with flaws.
Just to be sure, I want you guys to know that I don't think you are Jem haters or narrow-minded at all! I absolutely agree with most of what you are saying, especially with Rose and Nurlely's comments above. Clare's intentions for the love triangle (and possibly for other aspects of TID) were not always well-executed. I am not necessarily siding with the author, but I believe that Tessa's love for Jem is just as romantic as her love for Will. Nurlely described Tessa's love for Will to be romantic as it is passionate and fiery. True. On the other hand, she also doesn't believe Tessa's love for Jem to be romantic or as romantic because their passion doesn't read as well in the literature. Assuming that Tessa doesn't have the same passion for Jem, I will still say that she felt romantic love for him. It just manifested itself in a different way - more of a steady candle flame than a raging fire.
Disregarding Clare's intentions for the ending of CP2, I am still convinced about Tessa's love for Jem, even though I know it doesn't seem equal to her love for Will. Part of it is because I wasn't sold on Tessa and Will's love story, or at least on how it developed. I had no expectations for a love triangle when I started TID and no love for Jace and any other incarnations of him. That doesn't mean I don't see that Tessa and Will love each other. It just makes me think that it takes all kinds to make love work and I just happen to like and believe the way the relationship between Jem and Tessa developed more.
@Shirley I never thought you are as one of the 'accusers'. I love having this discussion with you despite our disagreement... :)
I also expected some love triangle story after Tessa-Jem's bed scene. She might not regret the kiss that time, but she considered that as something that had led Jem into believing that she loved him and she felt guilty if she was to say No to Jem's proposal. Although she also considered Will's rejection and Will's unhappiness should she hurt Jem.
I didn't believe that Tessa did not love Jem passionately not because that I could not find it in the books, but also the scene when Tessa told Will that she loved Jem, she also asked Will with "Don't you?" How is that but something about her qualified her love to Jem as similar to Will's love for Jem?
I thought Clare did a wonderful job with the love triangle, it was an actual triangle. In other stories ive read it always it missing a side, if each "side" the triangle is the feelings of one character to another.its quite refreshing to read a story where the girl gets both the guys, yet there is no animosity on either side from the guys, and the guys would have been happy for her to have chosen either of them, they werent really in competition for her as they both knew there would no winner, as Jem's pain is Will's and vice versa.
Nurlely wrote: "@Shirley I never thought you are as one of the 'accusers'. I love having this discussion with you despite our disagreement... :)
I also expected some love triangle story after Tessa-Jem's bed sce..."
Hmm, that does kind of bother me. Maybe Cassandra Clare is trying a little too hard to make it equal all around ;) (said the closet Heronstairs shipper).
I'm guessing none of you guys have ever known someone who has after many happy and loving years with their spouse lost them to death and have become a widow or widower and then fate has brought them another love. That is how I see Tessa & Jem in the epilogue. I mean come on, she was a widow for 130 years! You can love more than one person in your lifetime and it not cheapen either love.
Just thinking about this book is making me cry. I'm really bad at reviews though, I hate them. Its all omg and like and stuff and omfg and why and my bbys and stuff like that. theyre so weird sometimes even i cant understand them its better for me to just speak it all aloud cos then i cant be like no that isnt good enough and rewrite it and be unhappy. Words cannot desribe this book. It is by far my favourite thing ever.
YES, thats it. the ending made sense! (and i liked it too, since it was bittersweet)i dont understand how people think her love of jem lessened her love for will, and vice versa. Her case is very special, loving two boys who loved each other so much as well, quite different from the normal love triangles, it is right of her to treasure both of them and love them equally
Ruby wrote: "I know a lot of people disliked the ending, but for me, it made complete sense. Tessa's a strong character, and although she loves both Will and Jem, nobody can have her heart. She says many times ..."well, when you put it that way, it does make perfect sense! it's also a little sad that no one could have her heart, but she's immortal and in a way, this does make her a stronger character than perceived initially.
ugh, don't remind me about the hunger games. that series enraged me, probably more than TMI. and, when compared to TMI, it's a stronger, more cohesive series too. it actually had a good start and such an interesting premise...le sigh. whatever, i've accepted it and i'm over it.
Love triangle (obviously one of my hatest subject) plus their personal circumstances. Will came too late to confess Tessa his love however Tessa already agreed to marry Will’s parabatai who also loved her before anything else. Hate is not a subject but the story revolves around how much can you do for love…they all suffered inside. They are all willing to sacrifice their self however nobody can stop their hearts to love the only person they see. Jem waited to Tessa for a century to be with her and this part really made me cry. : (I love the ending!
Shirley wrote: "ugh, don't remind me about the hunger games. that series enraged me, probably more than TMI. and, when compared to TMI, it's a stronger, more cohesive series too. it actually had a good start and s..."I can't talk about the hunger games without raging lol. The "romance" makes me want to burn the books. I almost stopped reading CF when Snow, the VILLAIN, stated he was going to plan the wedding. When the villain has to start forcing the couple together, maybe you should rethink whether or not this couple works. lol
@Jade - I don't think Tessa's love for Jem lessened her love for Will. I think people have an endless amount of love they can give, if they choose to. But I just was just never convinced of Jem and Tessa's relationship from a romantic standpoint.
hm...maybe. Tessa and Jem's love seemed more gentle. almost sibling like, but a bit more? i understand what you mean, in the books it didnt seem they were as deeply in love as will and tessa, but i think that is because of the different nature of will and jem
Rose wrote: "Shirley wrote: "ugh, don't remind me about the hunger games. that series enraged me, probably more than TMI. and, when compared to TMI, it's a stronger, more cohesive series too. it actually had a ..."i know, right?
@Jade - i think you're spot on about the different manifestations of love due to the different natures of will and jem. i'm not even sure if i'm capable of explaining or even justifying how tessa's love for jem was portrayed in the books. all i know is that it felt genuine to me because part of love is caring. anyway, reading cassandra clare's explanations on her tumblr have helped me think through the ending of clockwork princess.
my feelings are still mixed, but that's okay.
I just thought it was soo wonderfully unexpected! These books had EVERYTHING!!! I love how what she wrote changed my perspective on a lot of things like love triangles.
Shirley wrote: "ugh, don't remind me about the hunger games. that series enraged me, probably more than TMI. and, when compared to TMI, it's a stronger, more cohesive series too. it actually had a good start and s..."Hahahah....I love the Hunger Games. The ending was a bit annoying by ended it in such a rush. I need more of pages from Mockingjay. Oh... comparing it with TMI is a big No. Different genre. And if I want more pages of Mockingjay, I need the Epilogue to disappear from CP2. Or if there should be an Epilogue, more pages and pages are needed to be added to CA and CP.... LOL
Jade wrote: "...but i think that is because of the different nature of will and jem "It was Tessa's. Will and Jem are surely different, but their loves are convincing enough. It was Tessa's love who is not that convincing. I don't get the impression of such a romantic love from Tessa - Jem as I got from Tessa - Will in CA and CP, not just because of lack of details for that love, but also because of how Tessa treated them.
You know, I always struggled with why Jem even loved Tessa apart from traits that anyone might find appealing in her.
No idea. I don't think Tessa is the best a young man can get in CP2. Cecily is by far the smartest, most beautiful and full of energy. Jem might feel that Tessa loved him enough to want-to-sleep with him, regardless his problems.
I wonder why Will loved Tessa still. Tessa might be a wonderful strong girl in CA, but then she has turned into a melancholic girl who can not speak the truth when it is most needed.
Hence my theory about the isolation of young Shadowhunters in Institutes. I mean, Tessa was one of the only other girls there and Jessamine wasn't exactly crush-worthy...(Also, see TMI with the Lightwoods, Jace, and then, all of a sudden, Clary). Although Sophie did have a thing for Jem. She had an inferiority complex though, which is not surprising for Victorian London.
I always wondered why there was like no one else in the Institute. Like no Shadowhunters ever visit? Seems odd to have such a huge place for 5 people. @ Nurley. I think Tessa and Will's love for words, books, and their similar humor is what they really admired about one another and came to love. (I mean there is general traits of course, like kindness, being caring, etc. But the books, words and humor is more specific to their individual characters, something that not everyone else has. As in, not everyone is going to love how much Tessa loves books like Will does.)
I think Clare isolates them too much. I just can't believe that with as many shadowhunters as there are, the London Institute hardly ever sees anyone. Same with the NY one, and NY is a huge city. We're to believe that Jace, Alec and Izzy cover most of the city to fight demons? Please.
@RoseThat was why I loved reading CA. To be honest, to read about Jace's ascendant was what intriguing me at first, then I was served with the well built chemistry between the Will and Tessa, it made my reading was so enjoyable. They both loved books, but were also so fiery and passionate when it came to love.
Those evil dark sisters and the clockwork army added the awesome darkness to the bitter-sweet romance.
CA is just perfect for me.
CP was kind of ruined it for me a bit when Jem entered the perfect Will-Tessa's portrait. I was like... Not again! Love triangle sucked! But then I decided that maybe it would make the story more exciting. Then I came into a messed up and failed love triangle plot.
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WOW...that was practically exactly what i had said, glad to see someone agrees with me!
I totally agree the end was bittersweet, any one who doesnt clearly hasnt considered the future pain Tessa is going to feel when she has to watch Jem grow old and die, reliving her pain of Will dying, but this time knowing there isnt anyone else left to pick up the broken pieces of her heart