Clockwork Princess
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CLOCKWORK PRINCESS!!! What did you think????
Final_Fantasia wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Final_Fantasia wrote: "Christina wrote: "Love between Tessa and Will is like magic, it's the reason why I've read this books. But the end ruined everything!!! As for me, Will did not..."Yeah I get you. I am just really disappointed that their story is going to continue while Will's won't. I felt the same way when Jem died, but then I was happy that he became a silent brother. Because even though I wanted Will and Tessa to be together, I wanted Jem to live. I see what Cassandra Clare was trying to do, give all of the fans a happy ending that can satisfy everyone, and I give her credit for it. The writing was beautiful and the story was amazing. But for fans like me who lived and breathed Will, I am just really sad.
I really need to stop getting so emotionally attached to characters! Haha
Final_Fantasia wrote: "Christina wrote: "Nayab wrote: "Christina wrote: "Love between Tessa and Will is like magic, it's the reason why I've read this books. But the end ruined everything!!! As for me, Will did not die o..."I think that not as simple as just switch Will and Jem's positions. They are very close to each other, closer then best friends, but still they are very different. So yes, I believe that the result would be different.
Ashley wrote: "Final_Fantasia wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Final_Fantasia wrote: "Christina wrote: "Love between Tessa and Will is like magic, it's the reason why I've read this books. But the end ruined everything!!! ..."I understand. But Jem will die too and his and Tessa's story will be over as well. Will was at least lucky to have a family with her. I was sad that Jem became a Silent Brother. He had so much passion for life, love, and music. I honestly wouldn't of want him to live the rest of his life as a SB since they can't have any of that. It would be a miserable life for him. I am glad that he can live his life now. and I totally agree! I get emotionally attached to fictional characters as well lol especially Jem *sigh*
Ashley wrote: "Final_Fantasia wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Final_Fantasia wrote: "Christina wrote: "Love between Tessa and Will is like magic, it's the reason why I've read this books. But the end ruined everything!!! ..."I was happy too when Jem became a Silent Brother. I even thought 'Interesting solution, Cassandra! You could surprise me!', but then she just destroyed this feeling of satisfaction.
We all have favourite characters and we wish them happiness. Also we have ideal ending in our mind... and thats why all hollywars begin)))
Now the countdown to City of Heavenly Fire begins!!!! ;) Jace is so much like Will and I love him too, so that gives me some comfort and something to look forward to!
Jem had so much passion for life, love, and music. I honestly wouldn't of want him to live the rest of his life as a Silent Brother since they can't have any of that. It would be a miserable life for him. I am glad that he can live his life now. He deserves it after everything he has gone through.
Final_Fantasia wrote: "Jem had so much passion for life, love, and music. I honestly wouldn't of want him to live the rest of his life as a Silent Brother since they can't have any of that. It would be a miserable life f..."I agree that he deserves that. I am honestly just jealous that he will appear in other books and Will won't.
Pissed Tessa was with Will at all but at least 71 years after his death she was still so in love with Jem and could be with him!!!! So I am moving passed my bitter hate of Will to the happiness! Also hoping Tessa & Jem show up in the Dark Artifices!!! After everything Jem went through he deserves happiness. I am still kind of shocked that even though Jem gave his blessing that Will would be with Tessa at all...He said he could in no way take pleasure from his pain but he sure did.
Mirtha wrote: "If she had EVER stopped loving JEM, then she never loved him at all. "I think you missed my point back there. Tessa said that she never stopped loving Jem, meaning that when she was happily sharing her life with Will, she was also in love with Jem. The idea makes her love to Will sounds cheap. In CP, she was written to be miserable like hell after she said yes to Jem's proposal, even burnt her hand, for her and Will's pain. And now she said that she never stopped loving Jem?? Wow...
The Epilogue is a mess, 1. Not only Cassie finds it necessary to tell us that there is no more Will and Tessa, for Will has died. Will is the centre of attraction to why we love The Infernal Devices.
2. Tessa and her confession to Jem is more than necessary. She can just say that she loves Jem and Jem would be happy with that. Jem would not mind if Tessa was so much in love with Will before. He even knew that for sure and told Tessa about it. But Tessa went too far by claiming that she never stopped loving Jem. Dang! What kind of girl Tessa has been? When she was with Jem, she was so devastatingly miserable. She burnt her hand due to pain she was deep in. She was longing for Will most of the time. And now when she is with Jem, she said that she never stopped loving him? I feel of Tessa more of a drama queen.
3. Tessa was said to be completely broke when Will passed away, and then after witnessing some more deaths, she ran away because she could not watch any more deaths in her family. But then she can bear to watch Jem dies sooner or later? How did she count her love to Jem or her family? She loves her family more/less or Jem more/less for her to decide different things? If she loves Jem more for her to be able to stand the pain of watching him dies later, then it means that she didn't love her family that much. That is awful! They didn't choose to be hers.
The Epilogue is a disappointment.
Nurlely wrote: "The Epilogue is a mess, 1. Not only Cassie finds it necessary to tell us that there is no more Will and Tessa, for Will has died. Will is the centre of attraction to why we love The Infernal Devi..."
Those are some really good points. I didn't think I could ever be this disappointed with anything c. clare wrote, even though I still like the book. If it weren't for the second part of the epilogue I'd be overjoyed. :/
I was disappointed with the ending. I also wish I did not read the stupid epilogue. I felt like Tessa's love for Will was far superior and passionate than Tessa's "love" for Jem. Firstly, I don't know why she loved Jem, he was more like a BFF to her and not a passionate lover. Come on Tessa, be real with us, u loved Will more. But not once did Tessa say to Will that he was her true love and not Jem. Uhgghh. Even if Will died, Will's memories should be enough for Tessa to pass her life with. Come on!! This is Will Herondale, he's THE GREAT LOVE OF YOUR LIFE!, not Jem!! Cassandra, I wish you didn't try to make everyone happy and have her end up with both of the male heroes and just have her end up with the TRUE hero, Will!
Ashley wrote: "Those are some really good points. I didn't think I could ever be this disappointed with anything c. clare wrote, even though I still like the book. If it weren't for the second part of the epilogue I'd be overjoyed. :/ "It was ecstatic reading Clockwork Princess. I had great expectation and considered the book as the best of 3. It was. Then I read the Epilogue... :(
I still love Cassie and her books and is still excited in waiting for City of Heavenly Fire, but for Clockwork Princess, I wish I did stop reading before I reached the Epilogue.
Nurlely wrote: "The Epilogue is a mess, 1. Not only Cassie finds it necessary to tell us that there is no more Will and Tessa, for Will has died. Will is the centre of attraction to why we love The Infernal Devi..."
I think when you speak for "we" you need to consider that the fandom for Will and Jem is divided so Will is not the only reason we ALL read the Infernal Devices...more like he is HALF the reason. I think people need to get over the Epilogue. Tessa is happy, Jem can finally be happy and Will had his happiness. Also I think people are missing the point. She went through all that pain for not just Will and her but Jem as well! People make it sound like she was just miserable for Will the whole time! She desired Jem just as much and watching your kids die if different. It's not natural for parents to watch that happen. It's horrible and I understand why Tessa didn't want to witness it.
Sounds to me some just didn't want Tessa and Jem to be together at all? for Jem to live his life in misery as a SB and for Tessa to be lonely for the rest of her life
Amneet wrote: "I was disappointed with the ending. I also wish I did not read the stupid epilogue. I felt like Tessa's love for Will was far superior and passionate than Tessa's "love" for Jem. Firstly, I don't k..."His memories would be enough? Tessa is immortal! She will live for eternity unless someone shoots her or stabs her or etc! and it is possible to have 2 great loves in your life!
hey now, calm down. i understand this feeling of betrayal and maybe it is a little unpleasant and improper for tessa to be able to be with both boys, but i don't think they would have wanted it any other way. in fact, i think it's a nice little "F U" to the patriarchy and a gender role reversal to see the woman get to have whomever she wants. for one, the lady's immortal! and regardless, you can't just turn off love!i am pretty sure that will had no illusions about the nature of tessa's love. doesn't she explain to him how she still loved jem, even when she thought he was dead? and will wasn't jealous. he understood.
for people who believe that tessa is betraying will by telling jem she never stopped loving him...you could say she was betraying jem too with that logic. (i'm thinking of when tessa tells will that no one has ever written anything so beautiful for her ever...i was all AHEM, WHAT ABOUT THAT SONG JEM WROTE FOR YOU LADY???).
ok, just had to get this out there. at first, i felt like the ending was a cop out too, but i don't know, now i think it just seems right. or maybe by carstairs bias is showing ;)
also, how is no one ragging on magnus for being with and loving so many different people over HIS immortal life span?so, no slut-shaming tessa, please :)
Final_Fantasia wrote: "Christina wrote: "Nayab wrote: "Christina wrote: "Love between Tessa and Will is like magic, it's the reason why I've read this books. But the end ruined everything!!! As for me, Will did not die o..."i agree. in essence, will did do that. i mean, the two did do the dirty deed when they believed jem was dead, so i don't see how jem being a silent brother makes it any different. jem had given will his blessing anyway.
Ashley wrote: "Mirtha wrote: "Nurlely wrote: "Mirtha wrote: "I am actually very confused by a lot of the anger people are having on here about Tessa loving JEM still. How is it betraying Will for her to be with h..."And I understand what you are saying here (along with other people's opinions), but think about the characters and their motives. Why wouldn't Will want Jem to be Tessa? They are really the same souls in a way. Jem made the sacrifice for Will and it would be unlike Will to not return the favor. I don't want my love for Jem to cloud my judgement, but I never saw that Tessa loved Jem less than she did Will. At first, that's what I thought, but Clockwork Princess convinced me otherwise. She loved these two with different types of love, but the strength of those loves were equal. And why can't that kind of a situation exist anyway? Who are we to choose who we end up loving?
Anyway, that's my opinion. If I can forgive Tessa for marrying Will, I'm sure all you Tessiam fans can forgive Clare for writing Jem back into Tessa's life. All three have suffered so much, they deserve some happiness in the end.
Final_Fantasia wrote: "I think when you speak for "we" you need to consider that the fandom for Will and Jem is divided so Will is not the only reason we ALL read the Infernal Devices......"Thank u for the grammar lesson.
When you said Also I think people are missing the point. She went through all that pain for not just Will and her but Jem as well! People make it sound like she was just miserable for Will the whole time! , did you include yourself in that people or only us who you consider as rooting for Will?
When you said It's horrible and I understand why Tessa didn't want to witness it. did you also understand that it was a horrible thing for her family to be left that way? Did they choose to be born from her?
Maybe you are belong to some people who are rooting for Jem so much that you forget that it was not Jem that was the problem in my comment.
Final_Fantasia wrote: "Amneet wrote: "I was disappointed with the ending. I also wish I did not read the stupid epilogue. I felt like Tessa's love for Will was far superior and passionate than Tessa's "love" for Jem. Firstly, I don't k..."I find this comment ridiculous! His memories would be enough? Tessa is immortal! She will live for eternity unless someone shoots her or stabs her or etc! and it is possible to have 2 great loves in your life! "
LOL.... you even attacked a reader who submit her feeling. Don't you know that every reader has every right to feel what they want and to express that? You are not the only person who read Clockwork Princess.
You know what, we all are talking only about Will, Jem, and, of course, about THE ENDING! I think this book have to be more about Shadowhunter's world, about Mortmain and his evil plan, not only about romantic stuff. But I have a feeling that CC forgot about this important aspects of her book. And it's sucks, because if you cut away the romantic line, everything that left will be dull.
I think the message was that Tessa loved Will as she loved Jem and the she loved Jem as she loved Will. I'm not totally happy with the epilogue myself and I feel she did it out of fear for upsetting Jem lovers.
BUT, and this is what I tell myself to make it easier -Will has been dead for what? 70 years! Tessa has never loved anyone since then and Jem had sat back while loving her and still loving her while being a silent brother for 130 years. She knows Jem is going to die eventually and leave her but why not enjoy another 60 years with the only other person she has ever loved? The only other person Will has ever loved and would be happy Tessa being with. She's immortal, she has a long lonely life to lead, why begrudge her a tiny spec of time to be happy?
On the other hand of course I read the epilogue shaking my head muttering "no, no, no, no, no, don't do it Tess.. Not Jem."
Like I say, I think CC did it for The Jem fans but I'm not going diss CC for it. She did her best with an unbelievably hard ending to create.
Final_Fantasia wrote: "Christina wrote: "Nayab wrote: "Christina wrote: "Love between Tessa and Will is like magic, it's the reason why I've read this books. But the end ruined everything!!! As for me, Will did not die o..."Exactly. Technically Will did it to Jem when he thought he'd died. Still love Will though, I must point this out :)
Christina wrote: "But I have a feeling that CC forgot about this important aspects of her book. And it's sucks, because if you cut away the romantic line, everything that left will be dull. "I agree... I think CC wants to keep everyone happy.
For me, the Epilogue has disappointed me more than just the romance part.
Try and forget that bit. When you re-read it, stop at the last chapter! Oh my word I blubbed at that last chapter...
Shirley wrote: "also, how is no one ragging on magnus for being with and loving so many different people over HIS immortal life span?so, no slut-shaming tessa, please :)"
Err... I wonder which reader used the word 'slut'. As for Tessa, anyone can say anything about her, as far as what is written in the book. Banning is never a part of a discussion... ;)
As for Magnus. Was he so deep in love with Camille and Alec at the same time? Rooting for them? Would die for them? New things about Magnus can be probably read in The Bane Chronicles, but so far, from the 8 books that we (CC fans) have read, Magnus is so deep in love with Alec. The feeling is stronger than what he felt for Camille before. Magnus is 'rooting' for Alec and would probably die for him. I don't have any confidence in saying that Magnus would have done the same for Camille. Woolsey was his 'bed comforter', so it was doubtful that Magnus had any deep emotion regarding him.
Disappointing. Here is my issue. The ending was a cop out to me, but I would have felt better about it had I felt like the love triangle was written equally. A lot of people keep saying "but Tessa loved Will more." And the reason I think is because Tessa and Will were given more development on page. Most of CA centers around the two of them and Jem isn't a love interest at all. Even though Tessa says she loved them equally, that isn't what we READ. At least that's not how I read it. The way it read to me was that Tessa did have more feelings for Will than Jem. If anything, what happened at the end of CP felt like a plot device, an obstacle between Will and Tessa.
I'm not saying this because I hate Jem or don't ship Jem and Tessa. This is a complaint against the writing, of how Cassie wrote this "equal" triangle.
I was never convinced of Tessa and Jem's relationship in a romantic way. And you know, I wanted to. I WANTED to feel torn. But I never did, because I don't think Jem was given the proper development with Tessa. (Not his fault, of course.)
But it just leaves me with this feeling that the ending is very unconvincing, because I never understood where Jem and Tessa came from. I never bought Tessa being torn. Every time she told Jem she loved him, I kept thinking why? Since when? When did this happen?
Then there is much that was bad taste. Having Will and Tessa have sex minutes or hours after finding out Jem was bad taste, especially putting it in the same chapter. I think that's why so many people felt betrayed, and also why they felt betrayed in the epilogue. Having Tessa summarize her life with Will, their family and grandchildren, and then have her run off with Jem in the very same chapter also felt like bad taste.
I don't know. I was just disappointed because I wanted an equally written love triangle and it didn't seem that way to me. And the ending was not convincing, but a cop out. It really bothers me that Tessa doesn't choose and marries one because the other is unavailable.
I kind of agree with the above post. TessaXWill had more development and so it feels as if Jem was just a plot device. The epilogue is sad but I guess she went off with Jem because she owes him that much. He has been waiting for over 130years and so he truly did deserve that much of Tessa. Will would've wanted it too. Overall in context of who ended up with Tessa's heart,it was Will. She did fornicate with him five minutes after she finds out that Jem is dead... :O
Rose wrote: "But it just leaves me with this feeling that the ending is very unconvincing, because I never understood where Jem and Tessa came from. I never bought Tessa being torn. Every time she told Jem she loved him, I kept thinking why? Since when? When did this happen? "Not in the previous books. I could not recall reading anything about Tessa's equal love for Will and Jem. CA speaks more about her love for Will and Jem as a very dear friend. CP tells us how Tessa was suffering after accepting Jem's proposal, and has always been rooting for Will, even after he denied her.
All her equal love for Will and Jem started and ended up in CP2. Too bad that in the middle of that, we are also served with how much Tessa was more into Will, that they had sex right after Jem was 'dead'. She didn't even consider a mourning period.
Rose wrote: "Disappointing. Here is my issue. The ending was a cop out to me, but I would have felt better about it had I felt like the love triangle was written equally. A lot of people keep saying "but Tess..."
That is really a good point, about her marrying one just because the other one was gone.
People say that Jem and Will were the same, blah, blah, blah. No they weren't. They were different people and I cannot accept the fact that she loved both of them equally!
Rose wrote: "Disappointing. Here is my issue. The ending was a cop out to me, but I would have felt better about it had I felt like the love triangle was written equally. A lot of people keep saying "but Tess..."
I agree.
Mirtha wrote: "Shail wrote: "It seemed too easy. Like "Oh I'll just conveniently wait for Will to die and then *poof* I'm magically cured somehow... because nobody could figure out how to do it during the 15 year..."I get that it's over a hundred years later. I'm just really disappointed with the ending. Jem shouldn't have been cured at all, and if he did, it should've been when Will was still alive so that Tessa actually had to make a decision between the two of them. That's what I was trying to say, but in my anger at the ending of this book, it didn't come out anywhere near that way. :)
I think it's Jace and Clary and all them that find the cure. I think it might tell us more in CoHF.. I hope so anyway!
Nurlely wrote: "I don't think the ending is awesome. The book will be way better without the Epilogue. Seriously gals! How can you consider a girl getting her 2 boys as awesome?
It is okay if Tessa loves both ..."
But if you want to think about how she honors the others love, she should not have ended up with Will at all. Jem loved both Will and Tessa enough that he was okay with them being together. Will and Jem loved each other like brothers, it would hurt but they would be okay that the other was happy with Tessa. Plus, 71 years is a long time to hang on to somebody and not let yourself be happy and Jem waited almost twice as long. Its sad that Jem had to wait but I'm glad that both had their time with her and ended up happy because I think my heart would have broken if one was cut off from her completely after having to make a decision. Its better that one CAN'T be with her while the other is than her having to make a decision that would break one of them.
Another thing I don't understand is why so many of you can begrudge her a chance at love and happiness. 71 years of being broken after Will, her friends, and some of her family die she's miserable and the first chance she has had at happiness in what is longer than most life times, you all cry out she's horrible. Will was miserable like that for 6 years before Tessa came along and his heart grabbed on to her because she was his chance at happiness. Now Jem is now the same beacon of light and happiness for Tessa now and everyone cries "SLUT!" I think this is the best ending we could have hoped for. Clare is not a writer who follows the crowd, having make Tessa "pick" would have made this like every other love triangle story. I personally am happy for everyone because everyone mostly got their happy ending even if some of you want one of their hearts broken.
Ok look I am sorry for people who hated how she ended up with Jem in the epilogue but I gotta say this. LOOK, Will would have wanted Tessa to be with Jem if that would make BOTH Tessa and Jem happy and I just so happen to LOVEEE WILL but I still agree with the epilogue and I could tell why the author did that, she was trying to please everyone and I praise her for that. Even though I wanted Tessa to be with Will forever and ever which she did because she was with him till he died and I am sticking with my words. BOY do I sound feisty
I agree with you. Using the "S" word is definitely too harsh. Not a word I like anywhere but Tessa doesn't deserve it.I see CC did it to please everyone and in a way I'm glad she did. But as I was reading it, I'd gone from blubbering to shaking my head saying "No,no,no not Jem" I couldn't understand it at the time but when I thought about it long and hard I knew it was right for both of them. They had both waited a long time to not be lonely anymore...
Nurlely wrote: "Rose wrote: "But it just leaves me with this feeling that the ending is very unconvincing, because I never understood where Jem and Tessa came from. I never bought Tessa being torn. Every time she ..."I suppose that's true, that Clare doesn't always do a good job of showing and not telling. At the same time, I'm sure that some of us read this books with shipper goggles on (because, honestly, even if the author doesn't see it that way, her books are pretty large on the romance compared to the plot). That said, maybe I read more into the TessaxJem relationship than Will-lovers did and vice versa. I am unwilling to go back and reread everything to find out though...at least not yet!
I only know that in both CA and CP, the FRIENDSHIP between Jem and Tessa are built up. When Jem kisses Tessa's hand in that 'mizpah' scene, one starts to get an inkling of Jem's feelings for the girl. It's pretty one-sided though, up until that infamous bedroom scene after Jem hit Will. I'm not sure if Cassandra Clare succeeds in telling the story or proving the point that she wanted, but to me, I thought it was a nice lesson for girls that love does not have to come out of purely physical attraction and pain. Jem's a good, kind gentlemen and there is nothing wrong with that.
But then Tessa never really did get over Will, so...perhaps I just made up that "moral of the story" moment XD
As someone who loves Jem, I would have been okay without the Epilogue. I would have been more upset, true, but I was expecting that. I got to see how noble Jem was and his sacrifice truly broke my heart and everything was fine. However, because I love Jem, the Epilogue made me happy. Also confused, but yeah. The thing is, what happened made me happy, but the writing and execution was not the best and did not convey the meaning I wished it did. Hence all the disappointment and anger from readers. I think that TessaxJem would have been a fine way to end if Clare had written it better.
It's pretty incredible that this author can evoke such emotional responses from readers! Honestly I was ok with the epilogue, I agree with the idea that Jem and Will were soul mates and had a very close bond. I was really touched that both of them would sacrifice their happiness to make one or the other happy. I think that is the sign of true friendship and love. Tessa annoyed me at times, I wish there was more focus on Jem and Will. However, I don't consider Tessa loose or the "s" word just because she ends up with both guys. I love that the author chose to go with an ending that was not expected and not typical especially when it comes to love triangles found in young adult novels. For most love triangles I have read, it seems like the heroine usually chooses the one who is not the bff type, more like the bad boy it seems. In this book I like that the bad boy (Will) and the bff (Jem) were loved equally. It was bold for the author to do that and it was nice to read something different. Regardless I am going to miss this series and I do wish Cassandra Clare would write a book on the adventures of Will and Jem before Tessa! For me their friendship and interaction together was so awesome!
Elna wrote: "It's pretty incredible that this author can evoke such emotional responses from readers! Honestly I was ok with the epilogue, I agree with the idea that Jem and Will were soul mates and had a very..."I agree with you. Clare made a bold choice (even if it overshadows the actual action plot...). In some ways, I wish it were Heronstairs in the end. A girl can dream, right? (Or write slash-fic, lol). Their relationship was the must interesting and the most moving to me.
And about my comment about slut-shaming, I merely meant that we should not judge how a woman chooses to live her sexual life. Even if she is a "slut," we should not shame her because who are we to say what she does is ethical or not? This is a big issue in society, especially with respect to men who do the same but are praised for it (google slut shaming if you'd like to learn more).
At the same time, this is YA fiction, so maybe it's good that YAs are in disapproval over Tessa's choices...although no one should ever feel ashamed for who they are!
I know everyone is bitching about how tessa ended up with jem in the epilogue and how she gets both guys but what really bothered me was how cassandra had to mention that will was OLD and died... I just wished that she hadn't let me have the mental image. I wanted to forever think of will of young and crazy and she kinda ruined that for me.
I'm glad he was old.. if he'd of been young I'd have been absolutely heart broken! he had little herondale babies and grand babies :') I want to cry again
I suppose I should try to elaborate. I wasn't mad that Tessa moved on 70 yrs later. I totally understand that and people do it all the time, with much less years between. I just have never found Jem and Tessa's relationship a convincing one from a romantic standpoint. I am TOLD they love eachother but I didn't see the development. So the epilogue bothered me because I was never convinced of this great love between Tessa and Jem. Does that make sense? lol It's not that I don't feel that Tessa loved Jem..I just did not feel like the text expressed that Tessa's love for Jem was the exact same way with Will. I don't care how many posts Cassie makes on Tumblr to convince me otherwise: I did not get romantic vibes from Tessa and Jem. And I certainly did not to the extent that is equal to Tessa and Will.
The epilogue would have bothered me a little regardless because describing one boys death and then running off with the other in the same chapter just makes me feel..a little sour. But I would have accepted it better had I believed in Tessa and Jem's relationship more. And I wanted to, believe me. I tried. It's just that Jem and his relationship with Tessa felt more like a plot device for Will/Tessa than an equal part of a love triangle. Especially when you look at the timing at the end of CP.
Just disappointing. I wanted better execution of this triangle.
Rose wrote: "I suppose I should try to elaborate. I wasn't mad that Tessa moved on 70 yrs later. I totally understand that and people do it all the time, with much less years between. I just have never found Je..."Yeah, having Jem's death and then Will and Tessa sleeping together in the same chapter bothered me too.
But here's the thing: I was never convinced of any great love between Will and Tessa either. I was being an ass and judging them for their lust-filled interactions (just when I said we shouldn't slut-shame! My apologies) because I just didn't see any real connection. Ok fine, they read the same books and Will fell in love with Tessa because of the way her letters made him feel. Nonetheless, all of this was discovered later. The initial attraction, on Tessa's end, was just attraction. And most of the romantic developments were physical (as far as I remember it).
As for Jem, I was convinced of his feelings for Tessa, but as you all have said, it came much later, so yes, there was uneven development. I could see how Tessa could love Jem as well, but it was not the same way she loved Will. It's really all sorts of confusing, honestly, which is the fault of the writing. If I go with it though, I see the meaning behind the saying "sometimes the greatest love is not the right love" (my Gossip Girl is showing). But what if sometimes the great passionate love is just as right as the enduringly steadfast love? Maybe that doesn't mean you should have both, but it's nice to think that you can.
oh I love this book if not because its just all sorts of amazing but because its getting US passionate... She fell in love with Jem because of his whole hearted lovliness and Will for the passion... Will was selfless and funny and intelligent and WOW hot!! oh and a total hero.. I could talk about him all day long :) I struggled, honestly, to see the 'obvious' connection between Jem and Tessa whereas with Will and Tessa it was so there and in your face.
I think Tess would have been happy with either men, but maybe with Will she could be more herself. he totally understood her. they could speak litracy and he made her laugh.. he made me laugh, even when he was dying and she was speaking about him..
tabby-throw some spoilers in.. its fine. We're under cp2 so anyone looking is looking for spoilers!
Ayeiska wrote: "Nurlely wrote: "I don't think the ending is awesome. The book will be way better without the Epilogue. Seriously gals! How can you consider a girl getting her 2 boys as awesome?
It is okay if T..."
If she did honor their love for her equally, or love them equally, then maybe Tessa ends up with none. If she is as you said, then she is so selfish for choosing one and pains another, isn't she?
Tessa has been rooting for Will ever since she saw him, that is why while loving them equally, she had sex with Will when she knew that Jem is 'dead'. Is that how equal her love is? No mourning period? How is this not a contradictory with her claims in the epilogue, that she never stopped loving Jem but slept with Will when she was supposed to mourn upon her fiance's death?
What bothered me so much is what Tessa said to Jem. Did the drama of has never stopped loving you really necessary? I found her unnecessary comments make her love to Will less important. Especially when she was so miserable of wanting Will in CA or CP.
As I said before, that part is only one of my reasons of wishing that I never read the Epilogue.
I LOVED it! Sooooooooo happy with the end but isn't it a bit selfish of Tessa to be with both of them, I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it, can you? coz Tessa certainly did. *envious*
I have mixed feelings about the ending...it was beautiful, for sure, but I just love Will so much more than Jem! I bawled when CC described how Will's death went down! I instantly had the realization that, "this is the end!" I kind of wish it would have showed Tessa watching over Jace, Clary, etc. But then again...it's great how she kept loving Jem through all those years! And I'm pretty sure they will be coming into play in future books. Ugh...It was just so great!!! I feel as if my life is over, now! :'(
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I understand where you are coming from. Having kids and being married with Will and all, but its just like today if a woman's husband dies and she can date, remarry and move on with her life. I also don't think Tessa and Jem will have kids or even get married. I honestly just see them traveling the world together and loving one another. Also Tessa is all Jem has left. He literally has no where to go, no one who understands him, and he's in the year 2008! It's not the Victorian Era anymore. Tessa is all he has left. No parabatai either. He has the same empty feeling Will had when Jem was gone.