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message 1: by [deleted user] (last edited Apr 01, 2009 10:44AM) (new)

Post your own or your favorites.


message 2: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Sweet! I have a couple of poems around here somewhere... will dig them up after I get back this afternoon. I'm headed for the eye doctor, and the radiologist and Kendall's meatmarket. Anybody want anything?


message 3: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Our creative writing class required a poem a week, even if it was crappy or if we never wrote a poem before. I wrote this one after a doctor's visit.


The Logic of Today


The doctor asked me
How will you pay?
You have no job – English you say?
So you're going to teach?
No, I need
To write, can't you see?
I need to be free.

He then shakes his head
And writes a prescription
Most certainly mourning
My hopeless addiction

I too shake my head
And want to redeem his
Childhood dreams and
All he was cheated

Poor feeble minded
Trapped in their blindness

Unable to see
The need for fulfillment
Unable to breathe
The beauty of purpose

The blind lead the blind
So they say, yet I pray
I will not succumb to
Its logic today




message 4: by [deleted user] (new)

Loved this! I know the feelings.


message 5: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
heh heh, I thought you might like that one... he just couldn't understand why someone might want to major in anything other than medicine or science. Stupid man.


message 6: by [deleted user] (new)

And they look at you like they're thinking "can't you do something useful?"


message 7: by Shel (new)

Shel (shelbybower) | 54 comments I really like it. The rhythm is good. Me likey. It reminds me of this Marge Piercy poem that I am a particular fan of these days...:

For the young who want to

Talent is what they say
you have after the novel
is published and favorably
reviewed. Beforehand what
you have is a tedious
delusion, a hobby like knitting.

Work is what you have done
after the play is produced
and the audience claps.
Before that friends keep asking
when you are planning to go
out and get a job.

Genius is what they know you
had after the third volume
of remarkable poems. Earlier
they accuse you of withdrawing,
ask why you don't have a baby,
call you a bum.

The reason people want M.F.A.'s,
take workshops with fancy names
when all you can really
learn is a few techniques,
typing instructions and some-
body else's mannerisms


is that every artist lacks
a license to hang on the wall
like your optician, your vet
proving you may be a clumsy sadist
whose fillings fall into the stew
but you're certified a dentist.

The real writer is one
who really writes. Talent
is an invention like phlogiston
after the fact of fire.
Work is its own cure. You have to
like it better than being loved.


Marge Piercy


message 8: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Wow, I haven't read this one. Marge Piercy... fun and piercing. Well done. ...But I'm trying to grasp this part: "Talent
is an invention like phlogiston
after the fact of fire."
What exactly is her view on talent?



message 9: by [deleted user] (new)

Phlogiston \Phlo*gis"ton\ (fl[-o:]*j[i^:]s"t[o^:]n; 277), n. [NL.,
fr. Gr. flogisto`s burnt, set on fire, fr. flogi`zein to set
on fire, to burn, fr. flo`x, flogo`s, a flame, blaze. See
Phlox.:] (Old Chem.)
The former hypothetical principle of fire, or inflammability,
regarded by Stahl as a chemical element; it is now known to
be nonexistent.
[1913 Webster + PJC:]

Sooo. is talent now nonexistent?


message 10: by Matt (new)

Matt Comito | 23 comments Talent is what they say
you have after the novel
is published and favorably
reviewed.


message 11: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Ah. Okay. Talent is an idea after it has already happened? A hypothetical only recognized after substantial evidence?... I'm just thinking outloud. For some reason that one sentence wouldn't settle into my brain the right way.


message 12: by Shel (new)

Shel (shelbybower) | 54 comments I took it to be a poem about having all of those things... talent, genius, etc. etc. but having it seem not to "exist" until recognized externally by the world... i.e. :

every artist lacks
a license to hang on the wall

... so how do they, or the rest of us, know they're an artist? Not until the work is done. But the real beauty of being an artist is in the act of creation. Putting your babies out there in the world to be recognized by others shouldn't be the main point. At least, that's how I took it.

And since I'm still creating myself, with no external success other than the encouragement of other writers, it resonates pretty well with me.


message 13: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Thank you for this explanation, Shel... "...talent, genius, etc. etc. but having it seem not to 'exist' until recognized externally by the world..." I'm saving this poem to my favorites folder.

While I read your post, the image of my daughter came to mind. She held up a painting with a big smile, saying, "Look what I made!" And I recalled the hours I spent in my childhood bedroom drawing and writing, afterward, running up to mom and dad for approval. But the best part wasn't in their comments. Not really. (I knew they would say they liked it no matter what.) The best part for me was during that creative process. That time alone to daydream and explore.

And you're right, recognition (or even writing to please an audience) should never be more important than the simple act of creating.


message 14: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Damn. I knew I should have taken that Philosophy class.


message 15: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
After rereading Shell's essay: Sucking the Marrow, I dug up this old poem from way back in the day.


Stifled


Teacher said we had to write
A paper on our dad
So I followed him around
Sit down
Be quiet. Not Right now
Why are you whining?
Stop That

Momma said
Listen to your daddy
Spank your daughter Sammy
Her head is in the clouds
Be quiet. You’re not allowed
To speak your mind

My husband said to stop it
Why are you crying and
Hugging your knees?
I told you to stay home
I told you
To leave me alone

My daughter said
Why can’t I?
I smiled and said
You Can
My boyfriend said
You’re beautiful
Tell that story again




message 16: by [deleted user] (new)

Breaking the cycle, Bonita.


message 17: by Bonita, scribbler (new)

Bonita (NMBonita) | 73 comments Mod
Exactly.


message 18: by Frances (new)

Frances Ayers (franny47) | 1 comments Some of my poems-By Frances Ayers

As Old As The Sea

Deep and mysterious
With an endless roar
Lies the ancient sea
With its’ mystical lore


Eternal,boundless,Sea
What creatures you hold
You harbor such secrets
Rich stories you’ve told

Both complex and moody
In storm or breeze
Showing a Clear blue face
Man sails across with ease


Deep within its depths
Lay cradle and grave
A final resting place
For the seafaring brave

From Sorrow to Acceptance -By Frances Ayers

On sorrows'wings I journeyed to a land where I had never been.
Each loss was undiscovered country,landscapes I had never seen,mountains I had never climbed.

I had taken a journey past familiar landmarks I missed, and memories that were past.I had buried the familiar stories and neglected the happiness,which lay buried deep beneath the earth,only now and then pushing to the surface.

I drank from bitter springs and sat among the weeds,neglecting to seperate them from the flowers.
Beheld only the sunsetting but forgot the beauty in each new day.

When I had shed enough tears,I remembered the laughter echoing in the valley and heard the birds chirping a new song.

I saw the sun reflecting on the water.
and instead of weeds,I saw flowers. Where there were empty patches of dirt,I saw seedlings and the possibility of new beginnings.

What The Spring Knows

The Spring knows to wait its’turn
To sparkle after the winter dread
And burst forth with life anew
Reviving nature long since dead

First she’ll bring forth the flowers
Then she’ll awaken blades of grass
As she slowly increases the hours
A gift to man and all living things

She’ll impart a fragrance so inviting
As flowers bloom by her hand
The fragrant smell of the springtime
Spreading quickly through the land

Birds soaring across the sky
Echoing such a pleasant tune
With Spring as their conductor
Flying underneath the moon

For Spring knows she must finish
and complete the task of natures birth
Giving the task over to summer
To refine and prune the entire earth

A Patient Time

A time for waiting,a hibernation
Before we follow through on dreams
Careful planning,with determination
Putting away half baked schemes

No day or night is ever wasted
Patience builds slowly day by day
The fruit of forbearance is soon tasted
Sweet as honey where we lay

Suddenly we are engaged in life
Our souls’desire reaches out
And wraps its lasso around the moment
Discarding all our useless doubts



Erotic Fantasy On A City Bus

Vacous eyes staring across the way
Becoming lost in my fantasies and lust
Dreaming up scenarios to escape the day
Escaping boredom on this city bus
I focus on him slithering in his chair
Feeling a desire and longing to touch
Avoiding his glance,he is unaware
of how I desire him,so very much
Suddenly,the bus comes to a halt.
Seemingly occupied,I miss my street
I sprint to the exit,It's all my fault.
Glad to be away from all the heat.


message 19: by [deleted user] (new)

Thanks for sharing Frances.


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