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Is hijab liberation or oppression?
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yes, but why we have to debating about this one?it's just about your belief to get this way and after that, how you and Allah.
yes you right!i know in arabic or a country in the same based like that is mostly women wearing hijab, even tho they are not muslim. I am muslim, i am wearing hijab to go out, i do what i want, everyone respect me to do everything i want, they are know if i am a muslim from my hijab, but it doesn't mean christian or jewish are not going to be friend with me. we are live in this world to respect each other, i don't care about your religion or your beliefe, so far you good to me and you can respact me, we are fine. =)
peace!
Black Belt Ninja,First of all, both spellings are acceptable. I usually type out Koran because I have trouble remembering where the ' goes in "Quran."
Secondly, I am an atheist.
Then, to address your last statement, that is nonsense. Believe me, I knock every religion because they are all crap. And, I must point out that the negative attention that Islam often receives is not due to "some terrorists liv[ing:] in Arabian countries." It is because many major terrorists organizations are full of Muslims, and many of them follow ideologies that are based on their faith in Islam. Furthermore, many Muslims who are not even in terrorist organizations are sympathetic to the causes of al-Qaeda and the like.
Additionally, it is not simply a matter of "someone dress[ing:] different[ly:]" There is much more to the issue of hijab than that.
I said nothing about freedom of religion, nor did anyone here ask you to change just because they don't like it. Relax, seriously.
Cj,I am not sure because your grammar is a little broken, but I am assuming you were trying to say something along the lines of: although the Koran may seem nonsensical, etc. at times, it is not, because it is the word of Allah. Correct me if I am not interpreting you correctly, but if I am, this is just silly. I could just as easily say that the bible is the word of god, and although there are parts in it that seem a little fishy, you should have faith and trust that it is correct and true because god's word is perfect. This logic quickly falls apart. To simply accept something as true without evidence to back it up is just crazy.
I don't care if you asked for my opinion or not. In case you haven't noticed, this is a debate forum. So people are going to disagree with you. Get over it.Religions are all crap because they consist of ridiculous, nonsensical ideas. They make outrageous claims, provide no evidence to back these claims up, and insist that people respect these views and take them seriously. That's insane.
I was not saying that Islam was bad because of al-Qaeda. I was pointing out that it is the main reason Islam has such a bad reputation nowadays.
And, yes, Hitler was a Catholic. This, and the example of Muslim extremists, are both examples of the serious damage that religion inflicts on our society. Why is it okay for people to hold up examples of when religion has inspired to do good as representative of religion as a whole, but not the other way around?
I'm not being rude. You're being a bit of a spaz, though. I can talk shit about religion if I see fit, which I do (and I don't know what you mean by "other religions" because atheism is not a religion). I couldn't care less if people did the same to me, because people who do so almost never even know what they're talking about in the first place, so it really doesn't matter what they think.
I'm sorry your religion is so dear to you that you get so up in arms about it, but maybe if you think it's so great, instead of freaking out and taking everything so personally, you could build your argument and demonstrate why your views are worthy of respect. I am not putting you down, personally. I am being pretty objective, here, really; I don't discriminate against particular religions, they are all bullshit.
I never denied the existence of god(s). It's not that I believe there is no god, I simply do not believe in one. A means without, theism means a belief in god(s). I lack a belief in god.It's the same as my stance on other things I see no evidence for. I don't insist that fairies, leprechauns, unicorns, and the like cannot possibly exist (because it's impossible to prove a negative), but since I see no evidence to suggest that they do, I don't believe in them.
I haven't come across any evidence showing God not to exist, so denying even the possibility that God may exist is a bit foolish no?This isn't what Jessi said. She didn't "deny the possibility" of anything. She said, "To simply accept something as true without evidence to back it up is just crazy." This statement is much different than that to which you seem to be responding. Generally, atheists will acknowledge that there is a possibility that a god or gods exist, but also acknowledge that there is no reason to actively believe in any of them. We don't deny the possibility, we just dismiss it.
And this is what you do, too. There have been countless gods throughout human history. Do you believe in Zeus, or Vishnu, or Thor? No. And I doubt you worry too much about the possibility of them existing. You simply dismiss it. Atheists are at least consistent: we treat all hypothetical gods equally and dismiss them all in absence of evidence.
Put another way, I haven't come across evidence that seventeen gods don't exist. So why not believe in seventeen gods? Why just the one?
just because we humans can't comprehend a few things or falls outside of our tests and experiments that we have created in the name of "science" to help with our logical way of thinking doesn't ever nullify that there may actually be a God.
Well, sure. But the fact that there are things we don't understand certainly doesn't prove that there is a god.
Lots of bad things are done in the name of science too.
Like what? When was the last time a war was fought "in the name of science?" The last science-based ritual killing? The last science-based execution of a witch?
Atheism is bullshit in my view because it's just ignorance claiming that GOD simply does not exist.
It's ignorance to not even know what atheism is. Atheism is a lack of a belief in any god. That's it. It is not a positive belief in the lack of a god.
if I can accept my life is a test and their is a supreme being that I will never ever be fully able to comprehend until I meet the creator when I die, I need not waste my time trying to study "God".
I agree. Not only do you not need to waste your time studying "God," you don't need to waste your time even wondering if one exists.
if anyone truly believes someone more powerful then humans is controlling this world, they soon realise we are no one to judge each other
Or, people could realize this without believing in a god. Belief in a god is not a prerequisite for respecting other people.
I rather be more happy believing someone more virtuous exists than you or I.
I'd be happy if my dresser drawers were full of magic bacon that never added to my fat or cholesterol and had no calories, but the fact that it would make me happy doesn't make it true. Also, if I start believing it and acting as though it were true, I'll probably choke on my underwear.
Hence, if someone finds comfort in wearing a hijab then let them.
There's a difference between saying this person or that person shouldn't wear a hijab and discussing whether or not a particular tenet of a particular religion is good, bad, oppressive, helpful, reasonable, etc. If a woman wants to wear a hijab, that's her prerogative. But it's anyone's right to discuss the merits of a particular religion and its practices.
Dan wrote: "I'd be happy if my dresser drawers were full of magic bacon that never added to my fat or cholesterol and had no calories, but the fact that it would make me happy doesn't make it true. Also, if I start believing it and acting as though it were true, I'll probably choke on my underwear.":)
Jessi wrote: "Cj,I am not sure because your grammar is a little broken, but I am assuming you were trying to say something along the lines of: although the Koran may seem nonsensical, etc. at times, it is not,..."
i know thats make no sense, but what i lerned is Allah give a words to our properth Muhammad SAW to say the servant. (us) about all what Allah said.
it's all not about it's true or not, but it's all about you believe or not =)
thats your outhority to choose what you are =)
Saad wrote: "LoL, although I don't agree with your opinions, I like the fact you have a good grasp of how a debate should be conducted. Far too many sentimental types here easily getting offended, why come to d..."I whole heartedly agree with what you are saying, but most religions want you to go along with their doctrine without question, that is exactly why I an Buddhist we are taught to question everything.
Xox wrote: "Dan wrote: "There's a difference between saying this person or that person shouldn't wear a hijab and discussing whether or not a particular tenet of a particular religion is good, bad, oppressive,..."please respect us with say no 'that shit' or 'bullshit'!!
how adorable we are for god.
you judge us too much!
...please provide support for your stance.
I see you discussion. I think a simple example can make it easy ti understand hijab.There is many thing in the world that have skin and some kind of covering. This cover, provide some kind of protection against harm. Fruits and animals are nature examples. There are also examples in our own created things like we provide cover for disks to protect them against harms like shocking.
A woman is more beauty than a man, not just in face and body, but inside of her. If she expose herself, her insides beauty hide over face and body beauty. When she wear hijab, she let her inside beauty expose itself. Also if woman do not use hijab, she's more in harm as any other thing in this world is.
Also anyone that has something valuable, try to hide it from others. For example we hide our money to be safe from harm. If we think woman and her beauty has more value than money and all other things, as a human being, it'll be easier to understand hijab.
Also men have rules on wearing, it's not only women.
Sorry for bad English, it was hard a bit to say my words in English so I think my words will seems a bit weak.
@laurent : i know too, but i tought that just because hijab is sooo 'ordinary' things so, they could not adore and respect a woman with hijab again.
@♪Black Belt Ninja♪ : thanks... =)
@Jessi : islam is never make somethin with no sense. believe me, Al-Quran is what Allah said to order the servant to do somethin good with the rules. but foreal, i don't know why everything feel so hard, it doesn;t mean i doubt about my self, but im just confuse with people there.