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Hate Crimes
Ann wrote: "yup. (to both of you)oh, but sometimes there might be teens who vandalize things just for fun...but usually there's a motive behind it."
But it's still illegal to vandalize someone's property,whether it's public property or personal property. Just because someone finds it fun or artistic or whatever doesn't make it legal or right. You could make the argument "It's fun" about a whole bunch of things people shouldn't do. :)
oops! just realized my post made it sound like i thought it was okay for teens to do it "for fun"--but that's not what i meant!! i was just saying that sometimes is a reason. they just want to goof off & don't care that they are ruining somebody's property. but i think it's totally wrong!
Ann wrote: "oops! just realized my post made it sound like i thought it was okay for teens to do it "for fun"--but that's not what i meant!! i was just saying that sometimes is a reason. they just want to goof...":) That happens with things that are written down a lot. It always bugged me when teachers talked about the "tone" of an essay or some such written work because I'm thinking, "What tone? tones are heard."
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but thats not a crime right? u can be against them but as long as u dont hurt them physically its just a belief
Caro wrote: "Rose wrote: "Disagreeing with a life style is different than vandalizing a person's home because of what they are. So yes, being against gays can be a hate crime."but thats not a crime right? u c..."
I think that depends on whether you're speaking to them or not because it could be misconstrued as insulting.
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Caro wrote: "yeaah but insults arent always a crime..."No,not always. :)
I think it's stupid that Bibles are illegal at school, but Korans and Torahs and other holy books aren't. I think it's stupid that my friend got suspended for talking about how her family spent Christmas celebrating the birth of Jesus, and that when a Muslim person pulls out a prayer mat in the middle of class and starts chanting, it's okay. I think it's stupid that you can get sent to the principal's office for mentioning the Christian God, but not Allah or Zeus or any other god. I think it's stupid that Muslim schools are subsidized by the government when Christian schools aren't. The government is stupid.
Sam wrote: "I think it's stupid that Bibles are illegal at school, but Korans and Torahs and other holy books aren't. I think it's stupid that my friend got suspended for talking about how her family spent Chr..."
Yep. Stupid is not a strong enough word.
Yep. Stupid is not a strong enough word.
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Fuss? You'd probably be sent to jail or something :/
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Well, no one can stop me if I wanted to pray or take my Bible out and read it. Now if I started going around passing tracts and telling people about Jesus... then yeah.... suspension for sure.
Yupp. My friend wrote a speech against abortion for our project, and she was disqualified and given a zero.
Whuut?? Was that for English? 'Cause my English teacher told us not to do our speech on abortion, but ONLY bc she had people choosing abortion for their topic ALL the time, and she was sick of hearing about it, I guess.
English. And yes, it was a pro life speech. There were no rules broken, other than the fact that we are not allowed to express our religious views in a school funded by the government. That's how it is. No God in school.
HA. That is a LIE. More religious freedom than Christians in the Middle East, definitely, but still..... we are just barely tolerated by atheists.
Sam wrote: "English. And yes, it was a pro life speech. There were no rules broken, other than the fact that we are not allowed to express our religious views in a school funded by the government. That's how i..."
Huh. Maybe the Eng teacher had an abortion, herself. Then she'd be biased in her marking. Unless the teacher is a guy....?
Huh. Maybe the Eng teacher had an abortion, herself. Then she'd be biased in her marking. Unless the teacher is a guy....?
The constitution is being overlooked and distorted here. AMERICA NEEDS A REALITY CHECK!
Abbey wrote: "Cari wrote: "HA. That is a LIE. More religious freedom than Christians in the Middle East, definitely, but still..... we are just barely tolerated by atheists."
Tell me about it! And then we are t..."
When they say they don't believe in anything, wouldn't that be a lie? Because believing there is no god IS believing something. In a way, they are religious too. They love to try to spread their beliefs and convert people out of theism. When you try to share your own beliefs, they dismiss you and call you an idiot. I say Christians have more 'tolerance' than atheists ever will.....
Tell me about it! And then we are t..."
When they say they don't believe in anything, wouldn't that be a lie? Because believing there is no god IS believing something. In a way, they are religious too. They love to try to spread their beliefs and convert people out of theism. When you try to share your own beliefs, they dismiss you and call you an idiot. I say Christians have more 'tolerance' than atheists ever will.....
They accept every other reliogion, but then Christians try and have a say and its like they tell usL: "SHUT UP!" Like we don't matter....
Indeed. Yet Muslims pull out their prayer mat and start chanting - that's okay!
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Tell me about it! And..."
ikr i can like see the antichrist moving
caro we ended the conversation with Ann. stop nagging it's over
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♥Caro♥ wrote: "guys is it really illegal to speak against LGBT?"
What's that?
What's that?
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The term “Islamophobia” was invented and promoted in the early 1990s by the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT), a front group of the Muslim Brotherhood. Former IIIT member Abdur-Rahman Muhammad -- who was with that organization when the word was formally created, and who has since rejected IIIT's ideology -- now reveals the original intent behind the concept of Islamophobia: “This loathsome term is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliche conceived in the bowels of Muslim think tanks for the purpose of beating down critics.” In short, in its very origins, “Islamophobia” was a term designed as a weapon to advance a totalitarian cause by stigmatizing critics and silencing them.
This plan was an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood's "General Strategic Goal for North America," by which the organization aimed to wage "a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions." To implement this plan, the Brotherhood enlisted the help of 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" (one of which was IIIT), whose task would be to depict themselves as civil-rights groups speaking out on behalf of a Muslim American population that was allegedly besieged by outsiders who harbored an illogical, unfounded fear of them -- i.e., by a society replete with "Islamophobia."
Although the term was coined in the early 1990s, “Islamophobia” did not become the focus of an active Brotherhood campaign until after 9/11. Since that time, Islamist lobby organizations (including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR) and Muslim civil-rights activists have regularly accused the American people, American institutions, law-enforcement authorities, and the U.S. government of harboring a deep and potentially violent prejudice against Muslims. The accusers charge that as a result of this "Islamophobia," Muslims are disproportionately targeted by perpetrators of hate crimes and acts of discrimination.
But FBI data on hate crimes show that the foregoing accusers are wholly incorrect. The incidence of anti-Muslim abuses nationwide has actually declined since September 2001.
Moreover, anti-Islamic hate crimes are but a fraction of overall religious hate crimes. In fact, the overwhelming majority of such crimes target Jews. In 2006, for instance, fully 66 percent of religiously motivated attacks in the U.S. were against Jews, while just 11 percent targeted Muslims, even though the Jewish and Muslim populations in the United States are similar in size. In 2006, a total of 156 anti-Islamic hate crimes were committed nationwide -- a 68 percent drop from 2001.
The FBI report discredits CAIR’s alarmist narrative of “Islamophobic” lynch mobs marching on mosques across America. It shows that in reality, Americans have been remarkably, and admirably, tolerant and respectful of Muslims and their institutions since 9/11.
Each year, CAIR, which claims to be the “Muslim NAACP,” releases a report citing thousands of alleged civil-rights and physical abuses against Muslims, which largely are based on anecdotal reporting from members of its organization. Despite CAIR’s obvious bias (and proven record of dissembling), the mainstream media often report its numbers unfiltered and without question.
But a careful analysis of the numbers shows that the incidents reported by CAIR are mostly victimless crimes. For instance, in its 2006 report CAIR listed as “hate crimes” such occurrences as:
someone placing a copy of the Quran in a toilet at the library of Pace University in New York
someone trampling on a “flower bed” at a mosque in Texas.
Even in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there was virtually no vigilantism or violent backlash against Muslims in the United States. In November and December 2001, Zogby polled American Muslims and found that only 6 percent had suffered “physical abuse or assault.”
In October 2010, CAIR announced that it was forming a new “Islamophobia” department that would produce an annual report tracking “trends in rhetorical attacks on Islam and Muslims and ... offer accurate and balanced information to be used in the struggle for tolerance and mutual understanding.”
A Nexis search suggests that the term "Islamophobia" was first used in the media around 1990, when a Soviet Academy of Sciences academic told an Uzbekistan-based newspaper that Soviet leaders' “Islamophobia” might trigger an “Islamic explosion.” In 1995, Jordan’s Prince Hassan used the word in an address at the UN General Assembly, asserting that many people were using "inflammatory rhetoric" to "ta[r] all Moslems with the brush of fanatical extremism." In 1996 the British think tank Runnymede Trust established a Commission on British Muslims and Islamophobia, which later produced a report entitled “Islamophobia: A challenge for us all.” In the late 1990s, Iranian diplomats used the term with increasing frequency at the (now-defunct) UN Commission on Human Rights, characterizing the phenomenon as “the perception of Islam and its followers as threats to the West.” Today, references to "Islamophobia" appear regularly in UN documents.
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You guys know the the Muslim Koran is based off the Bible rightMy opinion on hate crimes
I am torn on the subject because the laws help stop bullying but they are also putting people in groups
Yes Muhammad did base many of the Koranic teachings from different biblical stories. But this does not mean that the Koran is somehow a valid religious book in the Christian sense. It is not. The Koran denies that Christ is the one and only eternal Son of God, and condemns those who profess it. The book is not Christian in the least, it is in many ways anti-Christian.
i keep on thinking Koran is Korean so i'm freaking out thinking that we are insulting koreans until i realize it's Koran
Haha Lena :P We can always say "Quran" I suppose.
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okay right agreed
Sam wrote: "Haha Lena :P We can always say "Quran" I suppose."I usually say Qur'an or Quran because they're both more accurate translations of the Arabic word. I just got lazy :)
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Sorry I just didn't have much to say on it. What kind of input did you want exactly? If we thought it was accurate or not?
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All right, my opinion on hate crimes. I apologize if someone already said this. I think the term "hate crime" is not only unjust, it's dangerous. It's horrible to murder someone because of the color of their skin. But is it any less horrible to murder someone for their money? As for the speech hate crimes, it's wrong to totally trash someone and call them names. But someone who sends threatening, profane emails to LGBTQ people should be prosecuted the same as someone who sends identical emails to, say, members of the local bridge club. The law should care about the crime, not WHY someone committed the crime. Crime is crime, whether you did it because you were racist or because you were simply having a bad day.
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where did the q come from?
Q is questioning. There are apparently 7... I think the proper term is LGBTQIA... Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transexual Questioning Intersexual Asexual.. :/
They left out other sexualities. Which is rude. Who's to say which are "socially acceptable"? The LGBTQIA community complains that they have no rights and people are prejudiced against them. Yet here they are, leaving out other sexual orientations. It's hypocritical. At least we Christians say that there is only one correct sexual orientation - we don't accept some and leave out the others.
oh, but sometimes there might be teens who vandalize things just for fun...but usually there's a motive behind it.